Magenera said:Yeah one bad dub, and now everyone thinks they are FTL despite showing no feats. Fastest feat shown was fucking Gotenks and he was no where near the speed of Light, compare to Superman, Flash (Kid Buu vs Justice league was funny when thy put no morals. Flash ran him to the end of the universe time and he died because no concept of life nor death. Correction Flash took his kinetic energy then ran him off to the end of the universe. No one puts fights up with Flash because he's friggin OP.) and Green Lantern, though Wonder Woman can be up there, considering she took a hit from the Sun to Earth in a Minute and some seconds, that was Superman hitting her by the way. No one rarely underestimate DBZ, just the opposite in fact.Drago-Morph said:I'll give it to you that some of the Marvel characters can do these things and could maybe even outclass some DBZ characters. But those are few and far between, certainly not the majority.Alaster Angelo said:DBZ characters can't destroy galaxies with a flick of the wrist. Even if they could, the majority of Marvel characters make them look like a joke. Jean Grey once controlled every molecule in the universe, the Scarlet Witch decimated an entire species throughout a multiverse (a cluster of several universes), Reed Richards carries a Cosmic Cube (a piece of cosmic technology capable of reshaping the universe) with him, and Iceman is capable of reducing the entire universe to absolute zero temperatures. These are just a few Earth based heroes, I haven't even started with the Earth based villains, and I haven't touched upon cosmic characters (characters that make these guys look like chumps) at all yet.Drago-Morph said:Compared to who? This is a group of people who can literally destroy galaxies with a flick of the wrist. I'm seriously wondering what characters they're weak compared to.
Thor can destroy a star, such as the Sun. Dr. Strange is so powerful that Eternity, the abstract embodiment of the universe itself, once warned him that his power was a threat to the multiverse. Hulk can destroy a planet with sheer physical force. God-tier? These guys are the laughing stocks of the cosmic Marvel. The mid-tier guys in Marvel destroy multiverses by blinking.Drago-Morph said:Thor can bust a planet. Strange I'm not really sure about, so I'll take your word. Hulk can throw a planet. And that's about all the big-name heroes off the top of my head who have any physical cosmic feats. So unless I've horribly missed something, it's not really true that most Marvel heroes can casually destroy planets. The absolute God-tier strongest guys can destroy a planet if you push them, but that's about it.
I think you overestimate the MU and underestimate the DBZ universe. The guys in the DBZ universe were moving faster than light at the beginning of DBZ, as shown by Raditz who had a power level of 1,000 (the characters power levels eventually reach the billions and then into the quadrillions). Broly, a character weaker than Cell (a mid-level DBZ villain) destroyed whole galaxies with casual energy blasts, the kind that take no effort to produce for him and the same attacks the Z-Fighters would later tank easily. By the end of the Buu saga, these characters were ripping through dimensions for fun. Even with all the feats you listed, only one or two can affect the multiverse at large. By the end of DBZ, the Z-Fighters can do it easily.
So, like I said, I'll give it to you that some Marvel Universe characters are on par with or even outclass DBZ characters. But these are exceedingly rare and should not be treated as the norm, nor should the DBZ characters be underestimated.
People overestimate DBZ and underestimate MARVEL and DC. What DBZ do is low scale in both universe. You know something is wrong when the Hulk was punching dimensions and and carrying Black holes then that was silver-age I think, though Superman did hold a black hole, that was the last incarnation, not to mention took a blast that could destroy a galaxy, though Thor bend that type of energy and flung it back with 10X the power. DBZ is pretty damn low scale, their is more powerful fiction in anime/ manga that is more comparable to MARVEL and DC, DBZ is not one of them.
If you honestly think that the DBZ universe, filled with people who can, with no exaggeration, blink galaxies out of existence and laugh at God for being too weak, is low scale compared to the universe where a guy like Tony Stark is dangerous, I don't think you understand how either of those universes work.Magenera said:Yeah one bad dub, and now everyone thinks they are FTL despite showing no feats. Fastest feat shown was fucking Gotenks and he was no where near the speed of Light, compare to Superman, Flash (Kid Buu vs Justice league was funny when thy put no morals. Flash ran him to the end of the universe time and he died because no concept of life nor death. Correction Flash took his kinetic energy then ran him off to the end of the universe. No one puts fights up with Flash because he's friggin OP.) and Green Lantern, though Wonder Woman can be up there, considering she took a hit from the Sun to Earth in a Minute and some seconds, that was Superman hitting her by the way. No one rarely underestimate DBZ, just the opposite in fact.Drago-Morph said:I'll give it to you that some of the Marvel characters can do these things and could maybe even outclass some DBZ characters. But those are few and far between, certainly not the majority.Alaster Angelo said:DBZ characters can't destroy galaxies with a flick of the wrist. Even if they could, the majority of Marvel characters make them look like a joke. Jean Grey once controlled every molecule in the universe, the Scarlet Witch decimated an entire species throughout a multiverse (a cluster of several universes), Reed Richards carries a Cosmic Cube (a piece of cosmic technology capable of reshaping the universe) with him, and Iceman is capable of reducing the entire universe to absolute zero temperatures. These are just a few Earth based heroes, I haven't even started with the Earth based villains, and I haven't touched upon cosmic characters (characters that make these guys look like chumps) at all yet.Drago-Morph said:Compared to who? This is a group of people who can literally destroy galaxies with a flick of the wrist. I'm seriously wondering what characters they're weak compared to.
Thor can destroy a star, such as the Sun. Dr. Strange is so powerful that Eternity, the abstract embodiment of the universe itself, once warned him that his power was a threat to the multiverse. Hulk can destroy a planet with sheer physical force. God-tier? These guys are the laughing stocks of the cosmic Marvel. The mid-tier guys in Marvel destroy multiverses by blinking.Drago-Morph said:Thor can bust a planet. Strange I'm not really sure about, so I'll take your word. Hulk can throw a planet. And that's about all the big-name heroes off the top of my head who have any physical cosmic feats. So unless I've horribly missed something, it's not really true that most Marvel heroes can casually destroy planets. The absolute God-tier strongest guys can destroy a planet if you push them, but that's about it.
I think you overestimate the MU and underestimate the DBZ universe. The guys in the DBZ universe were moving faster than light at the beginning of DBZ, as shown by Raditz who had a power level of 1,000 (the characters power levels eventually reach the billions and then into the quadrillions). Broly, a character weaker than Cell (a mid-level DBZ villain) destroyed whole galaxies with casual energy blasts, the kind that take no effort to produce for him and the same attacks the Z-Fighters would later tank easily. By the end of the Buu saga, these characters were ripping through dimensions for fun. Even with all the feats you listed, only one or two can affect the multiverse at large. By the end of DBZ, the Z-Fighters can do it easily.
So, like I said, I'll give it to you that some Marvel Universe characters are on par with or even outclass DBZ characters. But these are exceedingly rare and should not be treated as the norm, nor should the DBZ characters be underestimated.
People overestimate DBZ and underestimate MARVEL and DC. What DBZ do is low scale in both universe. You know something is wrong when the Hulk was punching dimensions and and carrying Black holes then that was silver-age I think, though Superman did hold a black hole, that was the last incarnation, not to mention took a blast that could destroy a galaxy, though Thor bend that type of energy and flung it back with 10X the power. DBZ is pretty damn low scale, their is more powerful fiction in anime/ manga that is more comparable to MARVEL and DC, DBZ is not one of them.
Sounds like an exaggeration to me. Nobody in DBZ can blink out a galaxy. Meanwhile, in Marvel, several lower tiered guys actually can blink out galaxies. Tony Stark is not dangerous to the universe as a whole. Maybe to some of the Earth based characters he is, but even then Tony gets his shit handed to him whenever Thor, Sentry, Hulk, or Dr. Doom decide to get serious with him.Drago-Morph said:If you honestly think that the DBZ universe, filled with people who can, with no exaggeration, blink galaxies out of existence and laugh at God for being too weak, is low scale compared to the universe where a guy like Tony Stark is dangerous, I don't think you understand how either of those universes work.
You clearly don't understand the DBZ power scale. I'd refrain from calling it "shit" if you don't actually know how it works.Magenera said:Tony isn't considered the highest scale in MARVEL, try looking at MARVEL and DC cosmic story lines, they literally shit on DBZ universe. Don't even need that, look at Franklin who was busy crafting his own universe to Power UP Galactus, look at Legion who put Marvel Main universe in a box, look at Final Crisis where Darksied was quite literally dragging Earth and the rest of the Multiverse to the underverse.Drago-Morph said:If you honestly think that the DBZ universe, filled with people who can, with no exaggeration, blink galaxies out of existence and laugh at God for being too weak, is low scale compared to the universe where a guy like Tony Stark is dangerous, I don't think you understand how either of those universes work.
DBZ is low scale, try sain seiya, or Sailor moon for stonger universe.
Let's see Kid Buu and Broly took them years to actually destroy a Galaxy. In fact Broly was still on the Galaxy that he was busy destroying. Any attack that was considered Planet Busting in DBZ was considered a threat as the Z team panic as they were going to be killed. Evidence by Gohan, Trunks, Gotenks, and Piccolo, where Kid Buu use a single attack to destroy Earth. The gods in DBZ are shit tier, peasants race in comparison to MARVEL and DC gods, who not only blinks out galaxies, but quite litterally blinks out multiple universes. DBZ gods are the same as the Z-Team, anything planet busting, and they'll die or in most of the Supreme Kai place had their ass handed to them by someone Thor could handle quite easily.CommanderL said:You underestimate dbz Vegeta had a power level of only 18 thousand when he causally destroyed a planet The highest messured power level is over a millon during the frieza fight Then frieza and his father where killed with no problem By super saiyan trunks super saiyan trunks got his ass kicked by andriod 18 with lil effort on her part she and android 17 where then both taken down by cell by the buu saga cell was considered not a problem and ever got there ass kicked by fat buu then super buu who was stronger then kid buu who was even stronger Dc and marvel stand No chance
Anyway this isn't about DBZ and their crappy powerscale, who people still use their power ranking system even though it's purpose was to say that it was usless, and stop using that thing byt the time the Android arc begin. Green Lantern takes this, I don't know why people are saying Iron Man, he doesn't have no where near the feats to back up this claim.
Power levels are only good for seeing who's stronger in DBZ, we can't apply them to characters from other fictions so they're useless for anything else.Drago-Morph said:You clearly don't understand the DBZ power scale. I'd refrain from calling it "shit" if you don't actually know how it works.
You're either knowingly pegging the DBZ powers too low, or you just don't know very much about how they work. Either way, until you stop cheering so hard for the MU, this discussion can't really go anywhere.Magenera said:I know Dragon Ball Z, I also know MARVEL and DC. Just because you don't happen to read MARVEL and DC, doesn't mean that they are weaker than DBZ. Not only that but I Kid Buu, did took years to destroy a galaxy, Broly was in the middle of destroying a galaxy till his father got him to stop. On the other hand, you have characters like a death bed Galactus destroying a galaxy with a casual blast, while his servant Silver Surfer, who by the way wield the big crunch energy to kill two gods that was beating on Galactus, shielded Richard Rider the last Nova three solar system away. Doramuu and Shuma Gorath, eats and tears through universe like butter and the only one who has to protect the main Marvel Universe is Dr.Strange. Odin and Galactus duked it out and they were the size of a galaxy when they did that. Thor fought and won against Mephsito in his realm, and a hell lord is god in their realm. Thor had to contain a a blast that would destroy half a galaxy, and send that shit back, Thor who had to send back energies for stronger than what DBZ can do with 10X the force of what is actually given, and that's not counting his spells such as transmutating, and warping, someone is going to tell me other shit Thor does. Biggest feat shown for DBZ was planet busting, possibly Solar system from Kid Buu or Broly. No one else manage to pull that off, and most of them fear planet busting. Compare to MARVEL and DC putting out this type of shit, and go even beyond to Universe busting, and Multi-Universe Busting feats, hell the Anti-Moniter and Mr. Mxtzpl wiped out or have shown being able to wipe out the entire DC verse. Green Lantern have repaired a solar system, and contain energies the size of a galaxy busting power. DBZ is low scale to MARVEL and DC, considering they have characters being able to solo their verse with ease.Drago-Morph said:You clearly don't understand the DBZ power scale. I'd refrain from calling it "shit" if you don't actually know how it works.
Green Lantern Buster? Like the Hulk buster armours that always go so well?CrimsonBlaze said:If Tony Stark had previously encountered/faced Green Lantern or was aware of the powers and limitations that were granted by the Power Ring, then Tony Stark would obviously create a "Green Lantern Buster" suit that would allow him to win effortlessly (It would obviously incorporate yellow armor and yellow repulsor beams and weaponry).
DBZ characters can destroy planets, they can maybe go a little beyond that but destroying galaxies is far beyond their capabilities, if you believe it to not be so then show me where any DBZ character has destroyed a galaxy in a single blast. Skyfathers from Marvel, such as Odin, on the other hand, can routinely destroy galaxies as mere side effects of their battles and they're low tier as far as the overall cosmic scale of Marvel is. DBZ is far outclassed, and is honestly a joke compared to the Marvel Universe.Drago-Morph said:You're either knowingly pegging the DBZ powers too low, or you just don't know very much about how they work. Either way, until you stop cheering so hard for the MU, this discussion can't really go anywhere.
That's usually what happens with these things on most forums. There's a versus thread between two characters and somebody comes in and says that either Goku or Superman will win so it doesn't matter. Then some people in the topic (myself included) veer off course and have to prove them wrong and eventually the topic devolves into a Goku/Superman vs. thread.JonnWood said:It sure is amazing how fast this turned into an off-topic Marvel vs DBZ strength measuring contest.
Wait I thought that was Dr.Strange? Or the Scarlet Witch? Not the space cops? Am I missing something?Aaron Sylvester said:The only reason Iron Man has so many votes up there is because he had decent movies made about him. Meanwhile Green Lantern did not.
Lets just say if neither had live-action movies made about them then Green Lantern would've won by a mile in votes, because anyone with half an ounce of logic would put their money on a guy who can basically change reality with his MIND.