Poll: Guns and you!
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At the risk of having a too far to the right moment, (sounds of a shotgun cocking,) Try to ban my guns hippies I dare ya
Only ban certain types of guns.
See, it's stupid to ban guns so that criminals don't carry them anymore, because the types of guns that criminals typically carry are ALREADY banned. The only people you would be hurting are the good citizens that only want a way to defend themselves if need be.
And us citizens DO need protection. Sure, the Police help, but they don't have psychic abilities. They aren't going to know where to go until something has already happened. And if it's bad enough that you would need a gun to protect yourself, the police are going to show up way too late.
That's not to say that I believe someone should have an RPG for self-defense. It's not like you're going to need to defend yourself from a tank.
But yeah. Leave it like it is in the US.
See, it's stupid to ban guns so that criminals don't carry them anymore, because the types of guns that criminals typically carry are ALREADY banned. The only people you would be hurting are the good citizens that only want a way to defend themselves if need be.
And us citizens DO need protection. Sure, the Police help, but they don't have psychic abilities. They aren't going to know where to go until something has already happened. And if it's bad enough that you would need a gun to protect yourself, the police are going to show up way too late.
That's not to say that I believe someone should have an RPG for self-defense. It's not like you're going to need to defend yourself from a tank.
But yeah. Leave it like it is in the US.
You do realize that they already have multiple laws outlawing sale of firearms to people who have been convicted of a felony...binnsyboy said:I imagine guns also give you an intimidation factor and leverage with which to rape someone.bl4ckh4wk64 said:
Seriously, though, I don't have a problem with guns, but anyone with a violent felony should have restrictions clamped down instantly.
You can't kill several people in a crowd with a knife though. If you want to kill someone with a knife; it'll have to be somewhere noone else is around to intervene.Fidelias said:
However, if you want to go on a killing spree with a gun, you can kill dozens of people before you're stopped. There's a reason those people in the school shootings used guns instead of knives.
Just a reminder for all the gun ban haters when seconds count the cops are only minutes away (average PD response time in urban areas is something like 10 minutes, assuming you get the chance to call them)
How do they decide whether they were just for display?The Maddest March Hare said:
What's to stop you from taking it off the wall and hacking a Jehovah's Witnesses head off?
I believe that as to carry any firearm you must have a license and the licenses only include firing ranges and your house. So no-one is allowed to carry them on public streets at all.
When it comes to display purposes I believe there's some guidelines as to where it changes from being classified as "display" to "functional". In swords, that's such things as build strength (hitting someone with a display sword is equally likely to either kill them or bounce off, have the blade fly loose and smack the person behind you) and, of course, blade sharpness. Something similar goes for "replica" firearms.Rhymenoceros said:
And while I like your suggestion, it overlooks the problem that criminals, as a general rule, do not obey the laws in place. So the license wouldn't really affect them, and it's generally the criminals that commit the crimes..
That's why I suggested stemming it at the source and preventing buying guns, otherwise it can easily lead to a whole host of other problems.
"The second amendment wasn't meant to protect us from ducks and deer."
Now, I'm not a gun nut or even a republican. But this rings true for everyone.
It's not really an issue of practicality for sporting or even relevancy as some people would argue it's an antiquated addendum.
The second amendment was designed to be a last-line of defense for the other 9 inalienably rights. That is, the second amendment is meant to protect us from the government. Not criminals. Not wild dogs. But men who come in the night.
The idea of the 10 inalienably rights is a core virtue of our country and it's absolute foolishness to revise those inalienable rights at the will of vocal alarmists.
Some people would eagerly argue the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th amendments are antiquated in these times of faceless terrorism and should be abridged for the security of all.
Very clearly then, security is always at the expense of life and liberty and most people would say abridging any of the inalienable rights is absolute madness.
Except the second amendment because it's antiquated, right? Give me a break.
I also cringe at the thought of the assault weapons ban of the 90's. The logic was that hunters don't need 40 round magazines and assault rifles while forgetting entirely that hunter merely benefit from the second amendment, they're not the subject of it.
Now, I'm not a gun nut or even a republican. But this rings true for everyone.
It's not really an issue of practicality for sporting or even relevancy as some people would argue it's an antiquated addendum.
The second amendment was designed to be a last-line of defense for the other 9 inalienably rights. That is, the second amendment is meant to protect us from the government. Not criminals. Not wild dogs. But men who come in the night.
The idea of the 10 inalienably rights is a core virtue of our country and it's absolute foolishness to revise those inalienable rights at the will of vocal alarmists.
Some people would eagerly argue the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th amendments are antiquated in these times of faceless terrorism and should be abridged for the security of all.
Very clearly then, security is always at the expense of life and liberty and most people would say abridging any of the inalienable rights is absolute madness.
Except the second amendment because it's antiquated, right? Give me a break.
I also cringe at the thought of the assault weapons ban of the 90's. The logic was that hunters don't need 40 round magazines and assault rifles while forgetting entirely that hunter merely benefit from the second amendment, they're not the subject of it.
But the criminals would still get them by going around the stystem.nofear220 said:
There is nothing special about guns, they are a weapon like a sword or a butter knife. Its not like murder didn't exist until the gun was invented.
I own an unknown number of firearms and only certain types should be illegal without a license, like the automatic or suppressed ones. As a gun owner I see no point in a automatic rifle except if it used by the military or the police, why would you need a automatic rifle to fire at a target just so u can go to your friends "O LOOK WAT I COOD DO I KAN FIRE A HOLE KLIP AT A TARGET", meanwhile they only hit the target twice, and I am at the range sighting in my Remington M700 for deer season and I hit the target every time. So I don't believe all guns should be banned only automatic and suppressed firearms.
the purpose of the 2nd amendment was for checks and balances; civilians are allowed firearms so that the military could never get too uppity thinking they have all the power.
considering the military now has nukes, ICBMS, 50cal snipers, and freaking automatic grenade launchers, i think a good sidearm isnt out of the question.
considering the military now has nukes, ICBMS, 50cal snipers, and freaking automatic grenade launchers, i think a good sidearm isnt out of the question.
I hope all of you who support banning weapons never has the need to defend yourself and your family against an intruder in your own home.
Some of you say that you could do it with your bare hands or a knife from the kitchen but when you don't know what the intruder has in his hands this might as well be suicide. A gun is the great equalizer, it can make a weak man be able to protect his home against most threats.
Some say it is wrong to kill another human being but when they are in your home trying to harm you, you have a responsibility to protect yourself and your family, not doing so would be the most selfish, idiotic, and cowardly act you could to for your loved ones. Some say let the police handle it but when the police are a phone call and 10minutes away you have no chance.
But the most retarded argument I have herd about not having guns from a previous poster was that it is not a fair way to fight. Well when an unknown man is in your house with a crowbar I tell you I don't give a flying fuck about fair and neither should you when your life is on the line.
A gun can save your life better than anything or anyone else can (including the police) so i suggest you quit living in fantasy land where everyone is nice and come back to the real world where there will always be sick fuck out there who wants to do you harm, or some selfish asshole trying to take what you have.
You have a responsibility to yourself and family to protect them so you better be able to do it. And if you aren't some type of Kung-Fu master then a gun is the best way to go.
Some of you say that you could do it with your bare hands or a knife from the kitchen but when you don't know what the intruder has in his hands this might as well be suicide. A gun is the great equalizer, it can make a weak man be able to protect his home against most threats.
Some say it is wrong to kill another human being but when they are in your home trying to harm you, you have a responsibility to protect yourself and your family, not doing so would be the most selfish, idiotic, and cowardly act you could to for your loved ones. Some say let the police handle it but when the police are a phone call and 10minutes away you have no chance.
But the most retarded argument I have herd about not having guns from a previous poster was that it is not a fair way to fight. Well when an unknown man is in your house with a crowbar I tell you I don't give a flying fuck about fair and neither should you when your life is on the line.
A gun can save your life better than anything or anyone else can (including the police) so i suggest you quit living in fantasy land where everyone is nice and come back to the real world where there will always be sick fuck out there who wants to do you harm, or some selfish asshole trying to take what you have.
You have a responsibility to yourself and family to protect them so you better be able to do it. And if you aren't some type of Kung-Fu master then a gun is the best way to go.
Threads about gun control always underline how most people don't realise there are still significant cultural differences between the UK and the US, and other western nations as well.
Yes, the US does have legalised gun ownership. No, it is not a bullet-hole ridden slaughter house.
No, the UK does not have legalised gun ownership. No, it's not a jack-booted fascist state with endless crime because we can't 'defend ourselves'.
I mean, Switzerland has a very high gun ownership rate but a very low crime rate. That doesn't mean there's necessarily a correlation. After all, what works there won't necessarily work here.
Yes, the US does have legalised gun ownership. No, it is not a bullet-hole ridden slaughter house.
No, the UK does not have legalised gun ownership. No, it's not a jack-booted fascist state with endless crime because we can't 'defend ourselves'.
I mean, Switzerland has a very high gun ownership rate but a very low crime rate. That doesn't mean there's necessarily a correlation. After all, what works there won't necessarily work here.
Yeah, I know about all that parole violation stuff. I'm just saying, they're on the right lines.bl4ckh4wk64 said:You do realize that they already have multiple laws outlawing sale of firearms to people who have been convicted of a felony...binnsyboy said:I imagine guns also give you an intimidation factor and leverage with which to rape someone.bl4ckh4wk64 said:
Seriously, though, I don't have a problem with guns, but anyone with a violent felony should have restrictions clamped down instantly.