Poll: Have gamers lost touch with "playing for fun?"
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I've only read the thread to page 3, keep that in mind if someone has said this before me.
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Lots of the problem lies in the misunderstanding of hardcore and casual gamers, in some ways. As far as I'm concerned, any CoD-fanboy is a casual gamer now, simply because of the lack of depth he/she has when he/she looks at the game. They don't care for balanced gaming (i.e. Not ONLY PvP-based leveling. It hasn't worked before, it won't work now, STOP THIS.) or fun anymore, it seems, but for the bragging rights.
I notice this even more when listening to their conversations about their online matches with each other or with some 'noob' that kept 'noob tubing' them. What? How is using what the game gives you wrong?
Now, I'm not pro-MMOFPS, because of the lack of PvE (mostly), as mentioned above. This makes it frustrating to get to the point where you feel satisfied with how you're scoring and such (multiplayer is mostly about having fun winning, and there's nothing wrong in that as long as it's in teams, if you ask me), yet even then it's minor, I'd believe, as you're left with the knowledge that the only reason you're winning is because you've got better weapons than "dat ubnub that naded ppl."
I know, I'm getting into the same thing. Commenting other peoples' fun. But I still think the concept of a levelling-system being purely PvP-based is ridiculously stupid. Please, AAA-industry, make games that are fun again, without the only reason for this fun being the knowledge that someone else didn't have fun. Please. Don't make "multiplayer gaming" and "griefing" synonyms.
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Lots of the problem lies in the misunderstanding of hardcore and casual gamers, in some ways. As far as I'm concerned, any CoD-fanboy is a casual gamer now, simply because of the lack of depth he/she has when he/she looks at the game. They don't care for balanced gaming (i.e. Not ONLY PvP-based leveling. It hasn't worked before, it won't work now, STOP THIS.) or fun anymore, it seems, but for the bragging rights.
I notice this even more when listening to their conversations about their online matches with each other or with some 'noob' that kept 'noob tubing' them. What? How is using what the game gives you wrong?
Now, I'm not pro-MMOFPS, because of the lack of PvE (mostly), as mentioned above. This makes it frustrating to get to the point where you feel satisfied with how you're scoring and such (multiplayer is mostly about having fun winning, and there's nothing wrong in that as long as it's in teams, if you ask me), yet even then it's minor, I'd believe, as you're left with the knowledge that the only reason you're winning is because you've got better weapons than "dat ubnub that naded ppl."
I know, I'm getting into the same thing. Commenting other peoples' fun. But I still think the concept of a levelling-system being purely PvP-based is ridiculously stupid. Please, AAA-industry, make games that are fun again, without the only reason for this fun being the knowledge that someone else didn't have fun. Please. Don't make "multiplayer gaming" and "griefing" synonyms.
Y'know, I was all ready to be serious on this topic. Then I saw "Combustible Lemons" Good lord, that angry man is going to burn my house down.
Portal references aside, I play for fun.
I think a good example of fun vs winning (duh!) is Snaking, in Mario Kart.
Snaking, for those of you who have been too busy having sex and lives and friends, is a cheap way to exploit a boost system in Mario Kart DS.
It turns the game from an item-filled free-for-all fun time into a "whose thumb can last the longest without falling off?" contest.
I don't snake, but I know people who do. Jesus, mate, it's just a game. Save your thumb for sucking when I blue-shell your a**.
In conclusion, Fun > Winning. Game implies fun or amusement.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/game
Portal references aside, I play for fun.
I think a good example of fun vs winning (duh!) is Snaking, in Mario Kart.
Snaking, for those of you who have been too busy having sex and lives and friends, is a cheap way to exploit a boost system in Mario Kart DS.
It turns the game from an item-filled free-for-all fun time into a "whose thumb can last the longest without falling off?" contest.
I don't snake, but I know people who do. Jesus, mate, it's just a game. Save your thumb for sucking when I blue-shell your a**.
In conclusion, Fun > Winning. Game implies fun or amusement.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/game
One important thing that few of you seem to consider, how exactly do you define "fun"?
"Fun" is very subjective, what may be "fun" for one may simply infuriaate another, for example:
What I find to be entertaining is not in fact victory, it is however the intensity of the climax, to use fighting games as an example I much prefer to win a battle by the skin of my teeth or even by accident.
In bullet hell games I absolutely love not being able to beat it, I find the fact that despite my best efforts and fast reflexes I am usually slaughtered in seconds to be hillarious, I find half the "fun" to be realising just how fucked I am as 93% of the screen is now filled with glowing death.
I enjoy losing by the smallest of margins, to be almost exactly as enjoyable as winning by them.
And yet I know people that if they lose at the last second or lose repeatedly they will throw the controller to the floor and refuse to play the game ever again, what we find to be "fun" is very much subjective, and nobody has the right to say what is or is not "fun" as though there were some sciantific scale of "fun" available, there simply isn't.
"Fun" is very subjective, what may be "fun" for one may simply infuriaate another, for example:
What I find to be entertaining is not in fact victory, it is however the intensity of the climax, to use fighting games as an example I much prefer to win a battle by the skin of my teeth or even by accident.
In bullet hell games I absolutely love not being able to beat it, I find the fact that despite my best efforts and fast reflexes I am usually slaughtered in seconds to be hillarious, I find half the "fun" to be realising just how fucked I am as 93% of the screen is now filled with glowing death.
I enjoy losing by the smallest of margins, to be almost exactly as enjoyable as winning by them.
And yet I know people that if they lose at the last second or lose repeatedly they will throw the controller to the floor and refuse to play the game ever again, what we find to be "fun" is very much subjective, and nobody has the right to say what is or is not "fun" as though there were some sciantific scale of "fun" available, there simply isn't.
The official goal of a poster in a topic such as this isn't to get the OP to concede that they're wrong; as he has aptly demonstrated, he will never do so. The real goal is to wait until he's too ashamed to come back.
It's no longer playing for fun.
It's playing for hats.
For 'EXP' to 'prestige'
and god knows what else and as much as I hate to say it - the reason for NOT playing for fun is because winning IS fun - especially when it's hard like in team fortress 2 to get hats you don't just simply buy, days of playing and saving up finally to get a hat - it can be fun to most and just shows off your work and patience, hence having fun doing so.
So it's nothing to worry about, I'm still more worried about the Combustible Lemons!
It's playing for hats.
For 'EXP' to 'prestige'
and god knows what else and as much as I hate to say it - the reason for NOT playing for fun is because winning IS fun - especially when it's hard like in team fortress 2 to get hats you don't just simply buy, days of playing and saving up finally to get a hat - it can be fun to most and just shows off your work and patience, hence having fun doing so.
So it's nothing to worry about, I'm still more worried about the Combustible Lemons!
What's worse than an opponent who doesn't learn and constantly sets himself up to lose the same way is when their stupid strategies are winning and you can't stop them despite 100% guarantee of predicting it.
I'd sooner get bored with my opponents and nerfing my own attempts and doing 'stupid shit' such as picking at them with the weakest moves or easiest to defend/avoid/block/counter and try winning that way.
Ever play Street Fighter using only the light attacks?
I'd sooner get bored with my opponents and nerfing my own attempts and doing 'stupid shit' such as picking at them with the weakest moves or easiest to defend/avoid/block/counter and try winning that way.
Ever play Street Fighter using only the light attacks?
I've never gone the random choice that people feel the need to include in their poll for reasons that are beyond me (especially since all they do is lead to a poll that doesn't actually portray the right results)... But I could just not stay away from "Combustible Lemons". They simply sound like the best thing ever, whatever the context. 
OT: I think a lot of players have, yea. But I don't think it's anything to worry about, they really do have fun doing what they do.
OT: I think a lot of players have, yea. But I don't think it's anything to worry about, they really do have fun doing what they do.
Y'see, I've always played for fun.
However, I find challenge fun. I play to win, but only if it's fun to get to the win. Steamrolling newbies is not fun (although there are moments that are hilarious due to stupidity). Getting slaughtered or glitched to death is not fun.
Fighting an equal or slightly better opponent with no inherent imbalance in a game IS fun. The tension, the mental battle, the intense gunfights and moments of deathly silence, the teamwork, jokes and communication. All fun.
I don't really care if I lose if the match was challenging and me and my team were beaten fair and square, outplayed via skill, coordination and teamwork.
Unfortunately, people who play to win are 90% of the time 13 year-olds who glitch, mod or otherwise cheat, because winning is all that matters, not HOW you win. Annoying.
I don't care about experience points, prestige or any of that shit. I like stats to some degree, mainly to keep track of how I'm doing and if I can improve, and where.
EDIT: Just to clarify, that's for versus multiplayer. I play other games for other sources of fun, such as exploration, amusement, etc.
However, I find challenge fun. I play to win, but only if it's fun to get to the win. Steamrolling newbies is not fun (although there are moments that are hilarious due to stupidity). Getting slaughtered or glitched to death is not fun.
Fighting an equal or slightly better opponent with no inherent imbalance in a game IS fun. The tension, the mental battle, the intense gunfights and moments of deathly silence, the teamwork, jokes and communication. All fun.
I don't really care if I lose if the match was challenging and me and my team were beaten fair and square, outplayed via skill, coordination and teamwork.
Unfortunately, people who play to win are 90% of the time 13 year-olds who glitch, mod or otherwise cheat, because winning is all that matters, not HOW you win. Annoying.
I don't care about experience points, prestige or any of that shit. I like stats to some degree, mainly to keep track of how I'm doing and if I can improve, and where.
EDIT: Just to clarify, that's for versus multiplayer. I play other games for other sources of fun, such as exploration, amusement, etc.
Yeah. I can't name the last genuinely fun game I played. Escapism or challenge seems to be the reason we play video games these days, and while that's not a bad thing, it's a little bit sad.
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We also play to unlock shit - skinner box technique - and that is bad.
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We also play to unlock shit - skinner box technique - and that is bad.
yeah, it sucks...
"I refuse to play the Wii because it's games are for kids."
Misses out on: Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, Legend of Zelda, Animal Crossing, Brawl, others
"This FPS is unrealistic. The guns don't even jam every 5 seconds, you can still move after being shot, and sniper rifles are 100% accurate and don't need to be calibrated according to wind direction and such."
Misses out on: pretty much any FPS that doesn't involve you getting shot at, if you want to be really literal. but basically any FPS that takes liberties to make multiplayer even remotely playable.
people are too wrapped up in what's realistic, or deep, or cutting edge. yeah, Mario Galaxy is a Mario platformer. standard stuff. but it's FUN. a gamer looks at a game like Mario Galaxy, for example, and sees another quality game from Nintendo that can appeal to both kids and adults. a tool looks at the same game and sees "another kids' game".
"I refuse to play the Wii because it's games are for kids."
Misses out on: Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, Legend of Zelda, Animal Crossing, Brawl, others
"This FPS is unrealistic. The guns don't even jam every 5 seconds, you can still move after being shot, and sniper rifles are 100% accurate and don't need to be calibrated according to wind direction and such."
Misses out on: pretty much any FPS that doesn't involve you getting shot at, if you want to be really literal. but basically any FPS that takes liberties to make multiplayer even remotely playable.
people are too wrapped up in what's realistic, or deep, or cutting edge. yeah, Mario Galaxy is a Mario platformer. standard stuff. but it's FUN. a gamer looks at a game like Mario Galaxy, for example, and sees another quality game from Nintendo that can appeal to both kids and adults. a tool looks at the same game and sees "another kids' game".
Wait, let me get this straight... they're jumping in the game, having a blast, and you're annoyed that they're not doing their homework, working hard, and learning how to play the game properly.razelas said:
Lot of people (myself included) play the single player campaign to experience it. It's not about learning how to master a Portal puzzle in the fewest steps possible or pulling off a flawless victory or mastering that tricky rocket jump... it's about seeing what the game designers throw at me and enjoying the ride. To me, that's playing the game. It's a work of entertainment, there is no right way to enjoy it.
I think most people are all worrying over games not being taken seriously enough, that they are sacrificing fun in the process. When I play Left 4 Dead on multiplayer, I don't pick up practical weapons like my team mates. They are off getting pipe bombs or machine guns, and here I am picking up the guitar and beating the tank with it. They are mad that I'm not taking it seriously enough and here I am laughing as I beat the jesus out of zombies hearing the guitar "twang" as it hits them. A game isn't worth playing if it isn't fun and people are focusing only on story and graphics. Don't get me wrong, I love a good storyline and graphics are always good but I love myself a good button smasher game.
I'm trying less to care about winning and just trying to have fun.
Its hard because I've always been a really competitive person, what annoys me is people who are assholes when they win. Those guys can go to hell. Yeah, fine, you killed me, I really don't care about how leet you are, prick.
Its hard because I've always been a really competitive person, what annoys me is people who are assholes when they win. Those guys can go to hell. Yeah, fine, you killed me, I really don't care about how leet you are, prick.
I still play games for fun, but some people have adapted to playing to win and others... well... I dunno. What do you call those people that say a game is shit because its graphics aren't up to the level of Crysis? I know a ton of people said Bulletstorm was bad because it had "5 year old graphics" (aka, their computer was too shitty to run it on higher settings).
Especially in FPSs, people have lost touch of "Fun". The people that play for fun are constantly ridiculed and verbally assaulted while being called "Noob" amongst other names. They are also frequently kicked from servers because the admins think that they are griefing other players and and cant play. This isnt the truth, that are just playing in a more "fun" style that generally irritates the very serious gamers.