You understand the basis of resolution right? Most 22 inch moniters support 1920x1080p. All that is a resolution.Eagle Est1986 said:
Poll: HD... do you buy into it?
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It seems that most are troubled by the price. Every new piece of electronics costs more than the old one, that is just how things are. If you look back at your previous purchases you see the same thing. I once bought an IBM 386/33 laptop (well laptop back then was totally different thing that it is now) and I payed for it gargantuan sums compared to what I paid for my latest pile of gaming grade hardware. Now that computers value is hanging only by it's nostalgic value. Still I say that it was a good purchace then. All new things cost more than the old ones. Sure you can get that 32" SD cheaper than 32" HD, and you also get that '89 Nissan cheaper than '08 Nissan.
Ok, I wasn't aware that the average 22inch montior would support that resolution as I only use a PC at work. I had assumed that a VGA cable wouldn't carry a full HD signal.Aries_Split said:
Still, like I said before, a 40inch HD tv will give you a much better picture than a smaller screen, to the point where you feel as if you should be able to reach into the tv and grab a hold of whatever you are watching.
I believe for gaming HD is superior but i was watching some HDTV and it just looked sterile. The movement was to cut out, the contrast between focuses was to exaggerated and it made Pirates at the Caribbean which was a pretty average movie with decent cinematography look like Neighbors.
The bad quality forgives things a lot of the time and gives it a more full feel. I play my ps3 on a tv from the 80s. It looks terrible
The bad quality forgives things a lot of the time and gives it a more full feel. I play my ps3 on a tv from the 80s. It looks terrible
28 replies and nobody else has called anyone else an idiot. It's time to fix that. You're idiots--mostly.
There is a difference between HD and SD. If you can't see it, you're not receiving HD programming. Cable boxes (or satellite, or DVD, or whatever) must be broadcasting at HD resolutions. That means HD-specific channels (like National Geographic HD, or History HD). They broadcast in 1080i usually, some might be in 720p, which is still HD, which is still better than SD.
Regular DVD players can broadcast at a maximum of 480p (considered enhanced def or ED). This is often promoted as "progressive scan" DVD players. (that 'p' stands for progressive, while 'i' is for interlaced). So, a 480p DVD will look blurry still on a 1080p television, if the television scales it at all. Otherwise, it'll just be a box on your screen.
As for Upscaling DVD players, they wash the signal and up-scale regular DVD's to "near-HD" resolution. Basically it's the HD without the HD. It sharpens and enlarges the picture, but you don't have the same levels of clarity or detail that you get with True HD movies.
As for 1080p HD, the real show, it takes more than just an s-video cable. If you want to see a great picture, go HDMI. Buy the cables cheap from any number of online retailers; RCA cables just don't cut it.
Most computer montiors that support 1920x1080 (or 1200 for 5:4) are 24" and above, but I'm sure you can find some 22".
As for VGA, DVI, HDMI, it all depends on the DRM now. VGA can and will support full 1080p, but it's broadcasting over analog signals and is subject to interference, unlike DVI and HDMI. Only DVI and HDMI (Digital cables) will support HDCP, the bullshit copy-protection Blu-Ray and HD-DVD use to prevent illegal piracy--except as usual, DRM screws over the consumer who has to figure out why there monitor and computer won't play their movies. More on that another day.
As for resolutions, the 22" monitor and the 40" TV are broadcasting at the same resolution. However, you are seeing a higher pixel density on the monitor than the TV. So, in theory, you will actually see a better picture on the computer monitor than on the TV. However, people sit 1' away from their computers, and 9' from their TV's, so the TV picture still looks pretty damned good.
Any other questions?
ADDENDUM: Oh yeah, I forgot to mention cable providers (and satellite) like to complain about their "limited" bandwidth here in the States. Bullshit, but whatever. They just don't want to invest in expanding their network backbones. The result of this? They use lossy compression to send streaming video (aka, your nightly cables news in HD) so the signal already is kinda shitty when it reaches your box.
There is a difference between HD and SD. If you can't see it, you're not receiving HD programming. Cable boxes (or satellite, or DVD, or whatever) must be broadcasting at HD resolutions. That means HD-specific channels (like National Geographic HD, or History HD). They broadcast in 1080i usually, some might be in 720p, which is still HD, which is still better than SD.
Regular DVD players can broadcast at a maximum of 480p (considered enhanced def or ED). This is often promoted as "progressive scan" DVD players. (that 'p' stands for progressive, while 'i' is for interlaced). So, a 480p DVD will look blurry still on a 1080p television, if the television scales it at all. Otherwise, it'll just be a box on your screen.
As for Upscaling DVD players, they wash the signal and up-scale regular DVD's to "near-HD" resolution. Basically it's the HD without the HD. It sharpens and enlarges the picture, but you don't have the same levels of clarity or detail that you get with True HD movies.
As for 1080p HD, the real show, it takes more than just an s-video cable. If you want to see a great picture, go HDMI. Buy the cables cheap from any number of online retailers; RCA cables just don't cut it.
Most computer montiors that support 1920x1080 (or 1200 for 5:4) are 24" and above, but I'm sure you can find some 22".
As for VGA, DVI, HDMI, it all depends on the DRM now. VGA can and will support full 1080p, but it's broadcasting over analog signals and is subject to interference, unlike DVI and HDMI. Only DVI and HDMI (Digital cables) will support HDCP, the bullshit copy-protection Blu-Ray and HD-DVD use to prevent illegal piracy--except as usual, DRM screws over the consumer who has to figure out why there monitor and computer won't play their movies. More on that another day.
As for resolutions, the 22" monitor and the 40" TV are broadcasting at the same resolution. However, you are seeing a higher pixel density on the monitor than the TV. So, in theory, you will actually see a better picture on the computer monitor than on the TV. However, people sit 1' away from their computers, and 9' from their TV's, so the TV picture still looks pretty damned good.
Any other questions?
ADDENDUM: Oh yeah, I forgot to mention cable providers (and satellite) like to complain about their "limited" bandwidth here in the States. Bullshit, but whatever. They just don't want to invest in expanding their network backbones. The result of this? They use lossy compression to send streaming video (aka, your nightly cables news in HD) so the signal already is kinda shitty when it reaches your box.
To Konraden:
Thanks for being and ass for me. Now I don't have to be the bad guy. By some people's responses, it sounded like many didn't really know what they were talking about. To sum up, if you can't tell the difference between HD and SD on your HDTV, you are not watching an HD signal.
Edit: You actually weren't an ass, post was well worded and not flaming. I take back my ass statement.
Thanks for being and ass for me. Now I don't have to be the bad guy. By some people's responses, it sounded like many didn't really know what they were talking about. To sum up, if you can't tell the difference between HD and SD on your HDTV, you are not watching an HD signal.
Edit: You actually weren't an ass, post was well worded and not flaming. I take back my ass statement.
I love HD. 1080p FTW which unfortunately you can't see unless you are playing a 1080p game or watching Blu-Ray. Cable/satellite still comes in 720p/1080i but it's still clearer than SD.
So, as I said before, I love me some HD! (Used to work at Best Buy in the home theater dept as well.
So, as I said before, I love me some HD! (Used to work at Best Buy in the home theater dept as well.
It would actually be a move forward if broadcasters would give back all the spectrum they no longer need after shifting to digital.TheNecroswanson said:
Of course, they don't want to. Because they're bastards.
So only a tiny chunk of frequencies remain open to true public use.
-- Alex
True. Even w i d e s c r e e n isn't that much bigger; 720x480.Aries_Split said:
I use Computers because they have 'truer' resolutions and are variable.
TVs are fine the way they are and need no improvements in my mind.
lol, save up some money and buy a mid range 24" monitor for your PC. That's what I did, 24" is the baseline for 1920x1200, 22" is 1680x1050. It has HDMI and I just flick between my 360, PS3 and PC. It has no speakers, but I run it out the headphone jack that it has to my pc's sound card. It even supports padding so 1080p is not distorted. At the moment alot of games do not support 1080p but they still look great. Can't wait till GT5 comes out, full 1080p support. My PC has a HDTV tuner in it... I am not a PC gamer so it isn't a hugely powerful thing.
We have 2 HDTV's in our house, they are both only 1080i, ones a 32" LCD and the other is a fat old 42" rear projection. Seriously if you cant tell the difference between HD and Analogue... or even SD you need to invest in some glasses before you get a HDTV.
Before digital, analogue stayed the same since the 70's. When they launched SD initially they launched HD aswell. But tv's only started supporting it around 2003. It is not like they have rushed us into it. And those that cant afford HD, can simply keep their old tv's and get SD. But really when you look at it, you can get a 32" HDTV with built in tuner for a similar price to a 68cm crt thing back in the 90's. It's not that different. Unless you want 52" and have a spare 5k lying around.
We have 2 HDTV's in our house, they are both only 1080i, ones a 32" LCD and the other is a fat old 42" rear projection. Seriously if you cant tell the difference between HD and Analogue... or even SD you need to invest in some glasses before you get a HDTV.
Before digital, analogue stayed the same since the 70's. When they launched SD initially they launched HD aswell. But tv's only started supporting it around 2003. It is not like they have rushed us into it. And those that cant afford HD, can simply keep their old tv's and get SD. But really when you look at it, you can get a 32" HDTV with built in tuner for a similar price to a 68cm crt thing back in the 90's. It's not that different. Unless you want 52" and have a spare 5k lying around.
I do not have an HD TV. Would I like one? Sure. But I don't see a reason to drop $500 for a mediocre, or $800 - $900 for a good TV. It's dumb to me. I have no need to see things that clearly.
If I absolutely need to play a game in HD, I hook my 360 up to my widescreen monitor which is HD and it works just fine.
The reason I haven't bought a PS3? I give less than a shit about blue ray, and that's all that system is. a Blue ray player with mediocre games thrown at it.
Heh...my TV is over 10 years old I think. RCA. When I got a new VCR / DVD player I had to get a converter box just to hook it up to it. It only has an Antenna In jack ^.^
If I absolutely need to play a game in HD, I hook my 360 up to my widescreen monitor which is HD and it works just fine.
The reason I haven't bought a PS3? I give less than a shit about blue ray, and that's all that system is. a Blue ray player with mediocre games thrown at it.
Heh...my TV is over 10 years old I think. RCA. When I got a new VCR / DVD player I had to get a converter box just to hook it up to it. It only has an Antenna In jack ^.^
comparitively to HD, standard definition looks like a scuzzy youtube clip. just the amount of signal noise alone is unbearable.