Poll: Homosexuality

[Labyrinth]

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Here's the thing. Those questions are a satire on the ones generally directed at non-heterosexuals in an effort to point out that "You can be 'normal' if you really try!" This is the same bullshit idea that lead to curative rape and other horrendous practices. The generalisations are carried straight over from those made about non-heterosexual people, as is the disrespect and overtone of "you're wrong because your sexuality is this". Do note that these questions are sourced from a PhD rather than from myself.

To debunk some of the things you said, heterosexuality cannot be shown to arise from a heterosexual family unit. Otherwise, there would be no non-heterosexuals. Likewise, just because you don't like men doesn't mean that others who aren't heterosexual are wrong, just that you're different to them. Oh and by the way, just because you feel the desire to be heterosexual doesn't mean it's right. You've just been socialised to think that way. If you lived in ancient Greece I think you'd find you considered male homosexual activity normal, expected even. Not to mention sex with boys.

I could write books about the healthiness of traditional gender roles which I won't start on now.

 

[binvjoh]

"Support sounds so strange.

I hold homosexuality at the same regard that I hold heterosexuality and bisexuality.

 

[101flyboy]

Fine. You can be gay. Just no where near me.
That is my take.

People are gay near you every day. You should learn to get over it. People are gay when they walk out of their house, at the store, walking down the street, gay surrounds you. You either accept and move on or live in a constant state of insecurity and denial.

 

[101flyboy]

It is an affront to the sacred act of creating life, I abhor it for that fact... That being said, I try my best to spread love amongst my fellow man, regardless of what they do... "Hate the sin, not the sinner."

Sacred act of creating life? Um..................a lot of people simply aren't interested in having kids. It doesn't make it an affront on anything. It's simply having non-reproducing sex.

 

[101flyboy]

I agree. Though I feel this way about any. PDA, Gay or Straight

I also feel that if I am not allowed to be offended or disturbed by what is said and done by anyone, they have no right to be offended of disturbed by what I say. I?ve been told that ?being offended is a choice?, only to be told not five minutes later that what I am saying is offensive. You cannot have it both ways.

Also, I have seen a gay pride parade. Really guys, that?s the message you wanna send to the world?

Disclaimer: No, I do not hate GLBT people for being GLBT. I hate EVERYONE.

The message you want to send? Um, do straight people send a message to the world every spring break and Mardi Gras parade?

That is SUCH a weak argument and just drips of "well, homosexuality offends me to begin with, and now I'm even more offended by it, because they are disgusting in their sexuality."

Also, being offended and disturbed by homosexuality, is a choice. It's not as if there is something fundamentally offensive about homosexuality. That's why it's basically considered disordered to be homophobic. Being offended by homosexuality is akin to being offended by blond hair.

 

[FeanortheBrave]

Fine. You can be gay. Just no where near me.
That is my take.

People are gay near you every day. You should learn to get over it. People are gay when they walk out of their house, at the store, walking down the street, gay surrounds you. You either accept and move on or live in a constant state of insecurity and denial.

He obviously just meant that he doesn't someone's sexuality (gay or not) pushed upon him, or made particularly flamboyant.

 

[g_hughes]

I really couldn't care less about someone's sexuality. As long as it's not hurting anyone, why should I care?
I'm gay, btw.

 

[Sevre]

I really couldn't care less about someone's sexuality. As long as it's not hurting anyone, why should I care?
I'm gay, btw.

What he said. If it doesn't affect you then you have no real reason to care. What two people do in the bedroom is their own choice, as long as it's consensual we shouldn't get involved or pass judgement.

 

[101flyboy]

It's not so much that...It's people that play on it and are overly dramatic about their sexuality. I know two guys that are gay, but they're just like you or me. They live together, but if you ever saw them in town, they'd look like they were just two friends, and when asked if they're a couple, they just say "yeah".

Basically "I'm gay, deal with it" attitude.

The problem is that you're making assumptions that people are who more fem are INTENTIONALLY more fem acting because they want attention. Maybe they just aren't gender conforming. Maybe they are simply naturally more flamboyant. Not everyone is going to be cut from the same cloth, some people are naturally more exuberant than others. As long as that exuberance doesn't harm you directly, it isn't an issue.

Being gay is NOT a lifestyle. And no, the whole behind closed doors thing doesn't work. Gay people are gay inside and outside of their houses. It's not about them hiding their gayness, it's about your issues surrounding it and moving past them. And moving past your gender stereotypical mentality of what men "should" act like. There are no guidelines on being a man. Your basically saying gay people should act "normal", act like regular guys, basically be straight acting. But they are gay, and not all gay men are straight acting. So you sort of have to move on and get over it.

 

[101flyboy]

Fine. You can be gay. Just no where near me.
That is my take.

People are gay near you every day. You should learn to get over it. People are gay when they walk out of their house, at the store, walking down the street, gay surrounds you. You either accept and move on or live in a constant state of insecurity and denial.

He obviously just meant that he doesn't someone's sexuality (gay or not) pushed upon him, or made particularly flamboyant.

You can't push a sexual orientation on another.

 

[Baneat]

Fine. You can be gay. Just no where near me.
That is my take.

People are gay near you every day. You should learn to get over it. People are gay when they walk out of their house, at the store, walking down the street, gay surrounds you. You either accept and move on or live in a constant state of insecurity and denial.

He obviously just meant that he doesn't someone's sexuality (gay or not) pushed upon him, or made particularly flamboyant.

Allowed to want it, but I want nothing to do with people who want that (Freedom of association)

Not allowed in any way to enforce this upon others, however.

No problem.

 

[Dense_Electric]

A libertarian philosophy on the issue can't really go amiss with me. If someone wants to be gay, who is the government to tell them they can't? Particularly if that government is also going to recognize heterosexual marriage, they pretty have to recognize all adult consenting marriage or none of it. It's not their business to be dictating who can choose to have their union recognized as marriage and who can't.

However, this philosophy of government non-interference extends to the church as well. As it is not the business of the government to tell two consenting adults what to do, it's not the business of the government to tell the church what to do. The church has as much right to refuse to recognize it as anyone has to recognize it, and forcing it on them would be no better than denying the gay couple's right to marry in the first place.

In short, free will all around.

 

[101flyboy]

The whole "stop being flamboyant", "stop flaunting it", "show discretion" is more or less saying, hey f*gs, I don't really care that you're gay, just be normal. I don't care if you're gay, just keep it in the closet. I can understand people shouting about the sex they have in bed, or being off-put by the sequins wearing drag queens. But, to say things like, oh, well why do those gays force their lifestyle on everyone. Or, as long as they don't force their sexuality on me, it's fine. It just reeks of insecurity. Also, it basically sends the message that, I conditionally accept homosexuality, but you know, don't push your luck. I just don't get it. I'd rather have people be themselves than something they aren't just to appease me, but then again, I'm not insecure about homosexuality in any way.

 

[101flyboy]

Fine. You can be gay. Just no where near me.
That is my take.

People are gay near you every day. You should learn to get over it. People are gay when they walk out of their house, at the store, walking down the street, gay surrounds you. You either accept and move on or live in a constant state of insecurity and denial.

He obviously just meant that he doesn't someone's sexuality (gay or not) pushed upon him, or made particularly flamboyant.

Allowed to want it, but I want nothing to do with people who want that (Freedom of association)

Not allowed in any way to enforce this upon others, however.

No problem.

That's basically it. But the thing is, if you truly don't have a problem with gay people, you wouldn't have a problem associating with gay people. Several people on here say they don't care if people are gay, but then have a list of why they do care, and essentially say as long as you keep it in the closet near me I'm fine. So, it's not really acceptance. Tolerance isn't acceptance.

 

[101flyboy]

A lot of people mistake tolerance for acceptance. Tolerance isn't acceptance. The whole indifferent mentality is, people are gay, and that's fine, I don't care about ones' sexuality. That's actually a passively positive mentality. However, the whole, if you're gay that's fine, just keep it away from me, is not a positive mentality. Basically stating it's OK to be gay, I don't like it though, is not actually not having any issue with it.

 

[guntotingtomcat]

There is no sound philosophical or logical reason to attach a moral component to sexuality.

The only reason I clicked support is because even in 'enlightened' nations, people are still being ridiculed and bullied because of who they are.

Mind you, I'm not here to hate on homophobes. To each there own. As long as you don't share it with me, and don't hurt people.

The whole flamboyance thing doesn't really annoy you, but I say if you don't like gay rights parades, then don't go to one.

 

[Baneat]

but I say if you don't like gay rights parades, then don't go to one.

Or buy your own street to live on

 

[commiedic]

I don't support it, but I am not against it.

People need to get something in their heads. Life is too short to worry about some petty little thing like this. It has been around for hundreds and hundreds of years. It will be around for hundreds and hundreds of more years. You can not change how people think and act. Even when it would cost you everything to come out and say you are homosexual people still did it. When it would cost you your life people still did it. It is a topic that is old and wrongful to debate. Everyone thinks different from everyone else. No two people think of the same subject the same exact way. Therefor there is never a right or wrong to this.

Let it go. Live your life and stop trying to control others. This even goes for the supporters. Be what you wanna be and do what you wanna do.

 

[BehattedWanderer]

I fully support all people's right to be as happy or as miserable as anyone else. If that means that you want to spend your intimate and sensual or sexual moments with men, women, both, or neither, all are welcome.

 

[Dexiro]

I am against homosexuality. Part of the reason is because I am christian and in the Bible it clearly states that homosexuality is an abomination to the Lord.(in Leviticus)
I by no means hate gay people at all I see no reason for it at all, and God tells to only hate the sin but love the sinner
It also is definately is not gentic because I know a pair identical twins, one is gay and the other is not. If it was genetic they would BOTH be gay . Homosexuality is a choice, you chose to be gay.

You've probably had a zillion replies to this already but bare with me.

As much as I respect the religious argument against homosexuality you have to realise that it's somewhat selective to pick out such a statement and ignore so many others. I mean I've seen passages in the bible that talk about women being silenced and whatever, these kind of judgements are old fashioned beliefs all the same, it doesn't really make sense to single one of them out when you think about it.

Also it can be said with some confidence that homosexuality isn't a choice. I personally think it's a mixture of genetics and nurturing; some people are born gay, some develop it through childhood and with most it'd be a mixture.

Whether it is nature or nurture though you can be assured that noone is choosing to be gay, especially not in a society where gays are so heavily discriminated against.

You'll often find gay individuals have a "denial" period where they'll sometimes become very homophobic and go to extreme measures to deny their sexuality before finally accepting it, that alone should be indicative that it's something out of their control. You'll even find some individuals commit suicide because they can't accept their sexuality :/ It's not very nice.