Poll: Homosexuality

[Blatherscythe]

Don't really understand how I could support it but... yeah sure.

I'm omnisexual so that should really be a given. >.>

So wait, you pretty much will screw anything with the proper parts? I understand asexual, bisexual, heterosexual and homosexual, but omnisexual sounds like it can get you jail time if practiced.

 

[Loop Stricken]

I firmly believe that, as long as it's not hurting anyone else, people should be able to live their lives however they damn well please.

I like to think that this is how I treat everything.

Everything. Just don't bother me with it.

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

Support? Dunno what that means. Do I have a problem with it? Yes and no. AFAIC people can be/do what they want when it comes to their private life. I've had good friends who were gay. Hell, my mother is a lesbian and my GFs brother is gay, so my life would be difficult if I had a major issue with gay people.

However over the years it has come to my attention that my body type (very slim) seems to be quite attractive to a lot of gay men, and some of them just won't take a hint. At first I found this flattering but over the years it's become annoying. Gay men hit on me all the time and some of them won't accept anything short of "fuck off" as a "no". It really pisses me off, having to be rude like that, but polite hints just seem to go straight over their heads.

I also get annoyed at the confusion there seems to be between acceptance and participation, or between heterosexuality and homophobia. For example, I have no particular desire to see Brokeback Mountain because I'm not gay. But some people see that as homophobia. And some of those people even go so far as to suggest that homophobes are closet homosexuals. So... I have to go watch a gay movie to prove I'm straight? Can someone please explain that to me? Then there's things like the Mass Effect games. In the past I have openly spoken against homosexuality in Mass Effect 3. I wouldn't mind it if Bioware were capable of handling it properly, but they've proven again and again that they can't, and I get enough pushy gays hitting on me IRL thanks; I don't want to pay money to have it happen in my videogames!

I guess the point of this rant is that I think the "live and let live" mentality should go both ways. Gays shouldn't be persecuted for being gays, but I don't want to be persecuted for being straight either. If I want to watch movies and play games in which the romances are straight ones, do I really deserve to be stigmatised with the label "homophobe"?

Live and let live does not=heterosexuality v homosexuality, which is basically what you're saying. I'm NOT this, I'm that. Nobody is persecuting you for being straight, however, you clearly do have some issues you need to address.

Thanks for proving my point. Nice trolling by the way.

The only point you made is that you have a gay vs straight attitude, which you created and are blaming others for. Address your problems.

I don't even know what you mean by "gay vs straight attitude" and I certainly don't see how my post blamed other people for... whatever it is. Given your hostility I can only assume that something I have said has offended you, but until you explain what it was I can't really respond (or apologise).

Edit:

I just googled "gay vs straight attitude" and got a whopping three (3) results. Seems it's not a commonly used phrase.

 

[sleeky01]

In my view supporting or not supporting homosexuality would be like supporting or not supporting gravity.

My opinion on it would mean nothing.

 

[SergeantAnt]

i am very much so straight but i fully support it.

it's not my businesss what others do with there lives and if they decide to be with someone of the same sex go for it. i really don't understand people that are against it. it makes no sense to me. i guess that's probably because religion makes no sense to me. and the whole dictionary defintion arguement i just find retarded.
but meh that's just my opinion on it.

 

[johnzaku]

Not gay, or even bi. Find it hard to understand, until I think about how I'd love my gf no matter how she looked. So yeah I'm totally in support of it. =]

 

[TheDoctor455]

I voted for "support". But let me clarify...

I support gay rights anywhere. (No I'm not gay, this is the only time I'll state this now shut up)
It really saddens me that so many countries out in the world today STILL criminalize the homosexual community. This is also one of the main reasons I absolutely loathe the Vatican. Not Catholics, just that group of old men in silly hats who seem to think they know better than anyone else. Anyway... one of the reasons I can't stand the Vatican is because they have repeatedly convinced countries against decriminalizing homosexuality. And yes, I would definitely hold that up as a prime example of why Church and State need as much distance from each other as possible.

And people don't choose, do we honestly need to go over the (lack of) logic regarding that?

Agreed... it's remarkable how many people tell me that I should choose to be straight, because it'll make my life so much easier.
I hate having to explain it isn't a choice you either are or are not gay.

Yeah... as an atheist I've had to do that too sometimes... but its a bit trickier for me because I DID choose to be an atheist. This is as much due to my own unwillingness to take anything on face value (and to evaluate EVERYTHING on its own merits... which in my book... religion fails miserably) as it is due to reasons related to self-preservation... no I'm not going to elaborate on that last bit. Well... maybe in a PM... I'll think about it.

As I said, I also often find myself having to "justify" my atheism to others... and at this point... I've lost all patience with those would try to convert me... I just generally say something like "what possible difference could it make whether or not I think there's an invisible, bigoted, genocidal sociopath in the sky?"

 

[Pyrokinesis]

Nothing Wrong with being gay, nothing wrong with being straight. But there is something wrong with convincing people against their will to have sex with you, or forcing it. Dosent matter your orientation, keep it clean keep it civil and I could really care less.

 

[101flyboy]

I'm a Christian. That does not mean I hate gay people. Nothing about Christianity involves hatred of gay people, regardless of what those idiots at Westboro Baptist say. I do believe, as the Bible pretty clearly says, that homosexuality is a sin. But then so are many things that our culture does. The Bible does not say to hate those who sin, because we as Christians are not blameless either. There is nothing "more sinful" about homosexuality than any other sins. So while I disapprove of homosexuality, I do not hate those who are gay.

I also have yet to see any sort of conclusive evidence that homosexuality is biological. Seems to me more like a weak way to excuse away socially unacceptable behavior, not that it's necessary now that culture as a whole seems to have accepted it pretty well.

So while I do not hate gay people and I live in a country where they are free to do as they wish, I am not comfortable with the entire acceptance of homosexuality as a natural thing, so you could say I do not support it. I'm just not looking forward to dealing with a culture and school system that teaches my kids things that I'll have to explain afterward are not okay, but I guess I was raised under similar circumstances with other issues, so it'll work out, I suppose.

Did you know that homosexuality occurs in animals as well? I'm sure one could argue that it's somehow part of their nurturing or something, but I find that very hard to believe. It seems more obvious to me that homosexuality is an odd occurrence like any other kind of disorder such as dyslexia or such, but that it doesn't matter that much.

Just thought you may find that interesting. I do want to say that I really appreciate religious people like you who know that just because something clashes with your belief there's no need to try to persecute or destroy it. If only there were more like you!

Disorder? LOL. Homosexuality harms nothing, so it isn't a disorder. For something to be a disorder it has to have an inherent damaging aspect connected to it. And it isn't odd, either, considering the fact it's rampant in nature and most humans are not exclusively straight.

Gay people are gay because that is who they are, the same as straight people.

Yes, yes, I know. I meant more like an evolutionary mishap (jeez, can't make it sound like I'm anti-gay with this, despite my liking of men, hm.) since it doesn't further the species. I know it's not harming anything blah, blah, blah, but it would be for the benefit of the species if there was no homosexuality.

Sex is not just for procreation and having all living things procreate would be very detrimental. Homosexuality wouldn't exist if there wasn't any benefit, or if it were a negative. So clearly, it's not that whatsoever.

 

[TheXRatedDodo]

Eh, "support?" Why would I "support" homosexuality? It's not a football team, it's someone's sexual "preference" (not that it's a matter of preference anyway..)

All of the talk of Male and Female, Gay and Straight and Bisexual... It's all merely a distraction to me. What matters to me is the connections I make with people, the love that I feel for the people in my life, the kind of love that transcends age, gender, sexuality, a real sacred bond between people. That is what's important.

If it were not for my physical manifestation being that of a Male, I would be genderless. If it were not for people wanting to be able to lump everyone into nice, easily digestable categories, I would say I am not of any particular sexual preference. For those that cannot think in these terms, I say I am bisexual, for those that can, they realise that it goes far, far deeper than that and is far more free than bisexuality ever will be.

 

[CoverYourHead]

I'm a Christian. That does not mean I hate gay people. Nothing about Christianity involves hatred of gay people, regardless of what those idiots at Westboro Baptist say. I do believe, as the Bible pretty clearly says, that homosexuality is a sin. But then so are many things that our culture does. The Bible does not say to hate those who sin, because we as Christians are not blameless either. There is nothing "more sinful" about homosexuality than any other sins. So while I disapprove of homosexuality, I do not hate those who are gay.

I also have yet to see any sort of conclusive evidence that homosexuality is biological. Seems to me more like a weak way to excuse away socially unacceptable behavior, not that it's necessary now that culture as a whole seems to have accepted it pretty well.

So while I do not hate gay people and I live in a country where they are free to do as they wish, I am not comfortable with the entire acceptance of homosexuality as a natural thing, so you could say I do not support it. I'm just not looking forward to dealing with a culture and school system that teaches my kids things that I'll have to explain afterward are not okay, but I guess I was raised under similar circumstances with other issues, so it'll work out, I suppose.

Did you know that homosexuality occurs in animals as well? I'm sure one could argue that it's somehow part of their nurturing or something, but I find that very hard to believe. It seems more obvious to me that homosexuality is an odd occurrence like any other kind of disorder such as dyslexia or such, but that it doesn't matter that much.

Just thought you may find that interesting. I do want to say that I really appreciate religious people like you who know that just because something clashes with your belief there's no need to try to persecute or destroy it. If only there were more like you!

Disorder? LOL. Homosexuality harms nothing, so it isn't a disorder. For something to be a disorder it has to have an inherent damaging aspect connected to it. And it isn't odd, either, considering the fact it's rampant in nature and most humans are not exclusively straight.

Gay people are gay because that is who they are, the same as straight people.

Yes, yes, I know. I meant more like an evolutionary mishap (jeez, can't make it sound like I'm anti-gay with this, despite my liking of men, hm.) since it doesn't further the species. I know it's not harming anything blah, blah, blah, but it would be for the benefit of the species if there was no homosexuality.

Sex is not just for procreation and having all living things procreate would be very detrimental. Homosexuality wouldn't exist if there wasn't any benefit, or if it were a negative. So clearly, it's not that whatsoever.

Well few species partake in sex for enjoyment (some believe it's a sign of intelligence in a species if they do) so really there's not much point to it. But as I said, it's not hurting anyone.

 

[101flyboy]

I don't even know what you mean by "gay vs straight attitude" and I certainly don't see how my post blamed other people for... whatever it is. Given your hostility I can only assume that something I have said has offended you, but until you explain what it was I can't really respond (or apologise).

Your entire argument came down to "I don't want this gayness forced on me, live and let live, you be gay and I'm gonna be straight." I don't want to be persecuted for being straight. Don't "discriminate" against me because, you know, I don't want to associate with homosexuality, since I'm NOT that. That entire statement came off as creating distinctions, and setting these no homo boundaries. Like someone who would have an issue with homosexuality.

You didn't really offend me, I'm just calling it how I saw it.

 

[Axelhander]

Not a single person in history -- not one -- has ever given a good argument for the fear and condemnation of homosexuality.

Homosexuality does not harm "traditional" marriage or familial units.

Homosexuality does not threaten population growth.

Homosexuality is not wrong.

Homosexuality is natural, as we are a product of nature and homosexuality is a natural trait a human being can have.

All of the above also applies to bisexuality.

This is coming from a heterosexual white male aged 18-35 who, on the political spectrum, is a fiscal centrist and a social liberal.

 

[Daniel Cygnus]

Since I'm gay myself, it wouldn't make any sense if I didn't support it.

 

[101flyboy]

Well few species partake in sex for enjoyment (some believe it's a sign of intelligence in a species if they do) so really there's not much point to it. But as I said, it's not hurting anyone.

True, and it's also not a disorder or dysfunction.

 

[JMeganSnow]

I'm indifferent. From what I've seen my support or lack thereof would be about as important and valid as my support or lack thereof for the law of gravitation.

 

[JMeganSnow]

Well few species partake in sex for enjoyment (some believe it's a sign of intelligence in a species if they do) so really there's not much point to it. But as I said, it's not hurting anyone.

True, and it's also not a disorder or dysfunction.

This statement always makes me laugh like a loon. Since there are no signs that any other species than humans can formulate a long-term cause-and-effect chain such as "if I have sex, it'll result in offspring", it's pretty much guaranteed that humans are the only species CAPABLE of having sex for ANY purpose other than enjoyment.

Heck, the males of most species will quite cheerfully engage in sexual behavior with rocks, trees, empty bottles, pillows, and soccer balls. Not sure I'd consider that a sign of intelligence.

 

[Goofguy]

I'd have to say I'm pretty much indifferent towards it. In my opinion, what a homosexual couple does in the privacy of their own home is as justified as what a heterosexual couple does. Public displays of affection don't particularly bother me as long as they aren't slobbering all over and groping each other (that goes for straight and gay couples).

If I had one beef, it would have to be these overly flamboyant gay pride parades. While I respect their right and desire to celebrate being liberated, doing so in a manner that is so shocking and at times, disgusting, is unacceptable. Parading down city streets wearing ass-less chaps, skimpy clothing just makes the whole place less family friendly.

So ultimately, I respect the gay person who is comfortable with him/herself and is proud of who they are. Just please, don't flaunt it in such a vivid manner.

 

[duckk19]

Whatever man. The choice is yours to make.

 

[tunderball]

I am straight and will support anybody who is gay. I don't even see what the issue is.
I've got lots of gay friends and we get on great, I've been dragged to a couple of gay bars before and had a really great time. Annoyingly enough I also found out that I'm far more popular amongst the gay crowd than I am with women *sighs*