Poll: Homosexuality

[Vanguard_Ex]

Discussion of this topic is largely irrelevant. Sooner or later, unless we WANT to be a species of close-minded bigots, we are going to have to accept homosexuality, along with ethnic, political and most importantly of all, religious differences.
Anyone who seriously thinks homosexuality is wrong and punishable does not belong in the modern world.

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

Your entire argument came down to "I don't want this gayness forced on me...

I don't like the idea of having anything forced on me. Yes, I don't want "gayness" (your word) forced on me, but you can replace the word "gayness" with anything you like - anything at all - and the sentence is still true for me. It doesn't make me anti-gay, it makes me, umm, anti-force (for want of a better word).

That entire statement came off as creating distinctions, and setting these no homo boundaries. Like someone who would have an issue with homosexuality.

I don't see what distinctions I "created", though I do see a distinction between straight and gay... are you saying that there isn't one?

Nor do I see how I've set-up no-homo boundaries. To clarify:

If Brokeback Mountain happens to be on the TV one day and I've got nothing better to do then I'll watch it, but I'm not going to run to the DVD store right now and rent it just to prove to people like you that I don't have issues with gay people, and nor should I have to.

If Mass Effect 3 has gay relationships in it (and it looks like it will) that won't stop me buying it, but I should be free to say that my preference would be to not have Garrus hitting on me. Have you ever seen When Harry Met Sally?

 

[Mannayz]

I don't support it, but I'm not against it. The decision on whether or not I support it really wouldn't affect me personally.

 

[Firia]

As a homosexual, I am very biased.

 

[101flyboy]

If I had one beef, it would have to be these overly flamboyant gay pride parades. While I respect their right and desire to celebrate being liberated, doing so in a manner that is so shocking and at times, disgusting, is unacceptable. Parading down city streets wearing ass-less chaps, skimpy clothing just makes the whole place less family friendly.

That's the whole point, though. To push the boundaries of acceptance and "pureness". A lot of heterosexuals have the idea that homosexuality is not pure, or that, as you said, gay people are/can be overly flamboyant and eccentric. So, it's like, embracing that eccentricity and basically a big F-you to societal standards. I'm gay, and I'm gonna be as gay and wild and ______ adjectives I want to be, it's my day, and it's my time to be myself and live out loud and proud.

Some will say that's a bad way to gain acceptance. But gay pride isn't about acceptance from heterosexuals. In fact, it's basically a declaration, if straight people flaunt their sexuality, they are going to flaunt theirs too. So yeah, I can see how it's offensive. But do I agree with the message being sent? In many ways, yes.

Of course, MOST who attend gay pride events don't do these things.

 

[101flyboy]

Well few species partake in sex for enjoyment (some believe it's a sign of intelligence in a species if they do) so really there's not much point to it. But as I said, it's not hurting anyone.

True, and it's also not a disorder or dysfunction.

This statement always makes me laugh like a loon. Since there are no signs that any other species than humans can formulate a long-term cause-and-effect chain such as "if I have sex, it'll result in offspring", it's pretty much guaranteed that humans are the only species CAPABLE of having sex for ANY purpose other than enjoyment.

Heck, the males of most species will quite cheerfully engage in sexual behavior with rocks, trees, empty bottles, pillows, and soccer balls. Not sure I'd consider that a sign of intelligence.

What does that have to do with what I said?

 

[Shane_For_Wax]

I'm queer so it'd be kind of odd for me to be against it. But you know about those people who are the most against it. They are actually themselves!

 

[101flyboy]

Your entire argument came down to "I don't want this gayness forced on me...

I don't like the idea of having anything forced on me. Yes, I don't want "gayness" (your word) forced on me, but you can replace the word "gayness" with anything you like - anything at all - and the sentence is still true for me. It doesn't make me anti-gay, it makes me, umm, anti-force (for want of a better word).

That entire statement came off as creating distinctions, and setting these no homo boundaries. Like someone who would have an issue with homosexuality.

I don't see what distinctions I "created", though I do see a distinction between straight and gay... are you saying that there isn't one?

Nor do I see how I've set-up no-homo boundaries. To clarify:

If Brokeback Mountain happens to be on the TV one day and I've got nothing better to do then I'll watch it, but I'm not going to run to the DVD store right now and rent it just to prove to people like you that I don't have issues with gay people, and nor should I have to.

If Mass Effect 3 has gay relationships in it (and it looks like it will) that won't stop me buying it, but I should be free to say that my preference would be to not have Garrus hitting on me. Have you ever seen When Harry Met Sally?

You can't force a sexual orientation on another.

And no-one is asking you to prove anything. You keep harping on the gay aspect of Brokeback Mountain. Why just watch the movie for what it is, a romantic/dramatic movie? You think of it as a gay movie. It's a movie. There are straight and gay people, but that's not what you've been saying, you've been saying, I'm straight so I want THIS and I do THIS because I'm straight, and not gay. I'm not that, I'm this. It's like, OK, and your point is? Why is it gay this, straight this? Also with ME3? Is that an issue for you? Are you that concerned with gay? And yeah, since, you know, you cannot actually prevent the come-ons from male characters, and it's going to ruin your entire experience of the game, since you know, it's going to keep happening, throughout the game.

Honestly, are you homophobic? I don't think so. But do you have a lot of uneasiness surrounding homosexuality? Clearly yes.

 

[ImmortalDrifter]

And I thought this was a video game site...

 

[MajWound]

Being commonly jilted by women, I wish I was gay.

So you assume you wouldn't be jilted by gay men for the same reasons, whatever they might be?

I was going to post something meaningful, but Havik223 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.284382-Poll-Homosexuality#11197945] beat me to pretty much everything I could have said.

*rant*

Good on you, Havik.

I guess "jilted" is the wrong word entirely, since I'm usually the one that does the dumping. Maybe it's more accurate to say that I hate women. Generally speaking, they're more boring, illogical, unstable, idiotic, and unlikable than any of my guy friends. Unfortunately I'm not sexually attracted to men, so I guess I'll keep banging ladies. I just don't want to be around them any longer than it takes to do that.

EDIT: Weirdly enough, I'm still a fan of women's rights. But that's probably the libertarian in me. You see, people? It IS possible to support something you hate!

 

[deshorty]

Everyone is entitled to do what they would like, so long as it doesn't physically harm anyone. Homosexuality doesn't do this directly, so I support it.

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

Your entire argument came down to "I don't want this gayness forced on me...

I don't like the idea of having anything forced on me. Yes, I don't want "gayness" (your word) forced on me, but you can replace the word "gayness" with anything you like - anything at all - and the sentence is still true for me. It doesn't make me anti-gay, it makes me, umm, anti-force (for want of a better word).

That entire statement came off as creating distinctions, and setting these no homo boundaries. Like someone who would have an issue with homosexuality.

I don't see what distinctions I "created", though I do see a distinction between straight and gay... are you saying that there isn't one?

Nor do I see how I've set-up no-homo boundaries. To clarify:

If Brokeback Mountain happens to be on the TV one day and I've got nothing better to do then I'll watch it, but I'm not going to run to the DVD store right now and rent it just to prove to people like you that I don't have issues with gay people, and nor should I have to.

If Mass Effect 3 has gay relationships in it (and it looks like it will) that won't stop me buying it, but I should be free to say that my preference would be to not have Garrus hitting on me. Have you ever seen When Harry Met Sally?

You can't force a sexual orientation on another.

Oh, I see what you did there. I'm afraid my opinion of you just dropped several notches. I had thought maybe you were trying to have a discussion. Nevermind.

And no-one is asking you to prove anything. You keep harping on the gay aspect of Brokeback Mountain.

Umm, no. You keep attacking my opinion without giving me much of a reason for your attacks, leaving me to try to figure out which part of my original post you're talking about. If the Brokeback Mountain part isn't what you were referring to then perhaps you could lengthen your insults responses with a bit more detail.

Also with ME3? Is that an issue for you? Are you that concerned with gay? And yeah, since, you know, you cannot actually prevent the come-ons from male characters, and it's going to ruin your entire experience of the game, since you know, it's going to keep happening, throughout the game.

Now you're just making shit up. Please, point me to the part(s) of my posts where I even so much as implied any of that?

Honestly, are you homophobic? I don't think so. But do you have a lot of uneasiness surrounding homosexuality? Clearly yes.

At this point it's difficult for me to give credit to the "honestly" prefix. I think I'm done here. Have fun.

 

[FuzzyRaccoon]

I'm not gay, I don't mind if people are. Actually I wish everyone would just be okay with it already so it wouldn't have to be a big issue. It's stupid how people get so worked up about it. Why should I care where you put your hands/junk? I really don't.

 

[JMeganSnow]

I guess "jilted" is the wrong word entirely, since I'm usually the one that does the dumping. Maybe it's more accurate to say that I hate women. Generally speaking, they're more boring, illogical, unstable, idiotic, and unlikable than any of my guy friends. Unfortunately I'm not sexually attracted to men, so I guess I'll keep banging ladies. I just don't want to be around them any longer than it takes to do that.

This isn't that uncommon, in my experience. I know a number of heterosexual guys who don't like women. I don't like women. Fortunately for me, I'm a heterosexual FEMALE.

 

[Slimshad]

I hate homosexuality because I hate love. Now get off my lawn you rotten kids!

Old people aside: I do not support being gay. I do not advocate being gay, and I could NEVER imagine myself to be gay. Is it any of my business if you're gay? Not really. I support heterosexuality though, cause boobs are pretty cool. I guess I would support lesbian[ism?] then, under those perimeters.

For serious now: Being gay is nice and all, but the more you talk about for or against 'it' kinda works against making it become the norm. Then again, it takes a lot more effort in integrating 'abnormal' people into society than just not talking about the differences. It's just like being irish in the 1880s, or black in the... well basically any time until the 1970s. The only difference is that racists are more fearful of gays because it's harder to tell who's what. That's also why a lot of homophobes go around beating random people with planks at the hint of a rumor.

Discrimination based on a group is as old as the tribal system, and nothing will change that short of transhumanism. I've always disapproved of the idea behind being gay, but I would never, EVER hate someone just because they like taking (or giving) it in the naughty place.

Off-Topic: I'm tempted to say that being gay is a choice just to see the replies I get. Half the R and P bastards run up walls at the mere mention of it. Jesus guys, calm down. Even if it is a choice, why the fuck are you so angry about it?

 

[FuzzyRaccoon]

Discussion of this topic is largely irrelevant. Sooner or later, unless we WANT to be a species of close-minded bigots, we are going to have to accept homosexuality, along with ethnic, political and most importantly of all, religious differences.
Anyone who seriously thinks homosexuality is wrong and punishable does not belong in the modern world.

AHHHH. THIS. You are so right! Haha, I'm always thinking this when I hear people vehemently oppose things that feel foolish to me.

 

[K_Dub]

I simply don't give two shits as to whether someone is homosexual, straight, bisexual, or whatever. The way I see it, so long as the person is fun to hang out with, they're alright in my book.

Honestly, it's the people that flaunt their sexual preferences or the people that yell their hate about sexual preferences that bother me. I mean, why can't we all live peacefully, and not give a shit together?

 

[FuzzyRaccoon]

I guess "jilted" is the wrong word entirely, since I'm usually the one that does the dumping. Maybe it's more accurate to say that I hate women. Generally speaking, they're more boring, illogical, unstable, idiotic, and unlikable than any of my guy friends. Unfortunately I'm not sexually attracted to men, so I guess I'll keep banging ladies. I just don't want to be around them any longer than it takes to do that.

This isn't that uncommon, in my experience. I know a number of heterosexual guys who don't like women. I don't like women. Fortunately for me, I'm a heterosexual FEMALE.

I too hate women. I am one though, so it also works out for me. I like guys and am attracted to them, and I generally find them more interesting. Lucky for us right?
Haha.
x3.

 

[thecourtlibrarian]

As has no doubt been said in the 14 pages preceding this, it's none of my damn business what (who) people do behind closed doors. In my opinion marriage is an archaic, religious institution and should be abolished entirely-- end the gay marriage debate, just get rid of it entirely!

 

[MajWound]

I guess "jilted" is the wrong word entirely, since I'm usually the one that does the dumping. Maybe it's more accurate to say that I hate women. Generally speaking, they're more boring, illogical, unstable, idiotic, and unlikable than any of my guy friends. Unfortunately I'm not sexually attracted to men, so I guess I'll keep banging ladies. I just don't want to be around them any longer than it takes to do that.

This isn't that uncommon, in my experience. I know a number of heterosexual guys who don't like women. I don't like women. Fortunately for me, I'm a heterosexual FEMALE.

You lucky C-word. I sigh and head back to the bar. Maybe I can take home that hottie in front of the peanut basket if I dump enough liquid depressant down her incessantly flapping maw. Christ knows I won't otherwise unless I'm David Fucking Tennant.

I too hate women. I am one though, so it also works out for me. I like guys and am attracted to them, and I generally find them more interesting. Lucky for us right?
Haha.
x3.

Edited to include you. I hope you both conceive unexpectedly.