Poll: How do you feel about your government?
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UK and hatred. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a moron, I actually study politics and am looking to go into it, I'm not overly idealistic either, I mean there are ideals which I think we should strive for but I accept that they're ideals so realistically we're never going to hit those goals.
However our government has failed us on pretty much every front. I know it could be worse, I'd have to be a damned inbred not to notice that but it doesn't stop the fact that we are being and will continue to be shafted for no logical reason. From the ground roots to the top our government is weak, inefficient, full of needless red tape and processing issues, bloated and disgustingly deceitful.
What maddens me the most is that it's all possible to fix, not easily but the job isn't meant to be easy.
Even ignoring the idiotic public appearances our leading men and women put in the direction they're pushing for, the ideas they churn out and the things they do are terrible and I genuinely feel a lot of anger and disgust towards them for that. Hopefully one day I can make a difference and try to steer the ship towards calmer waters but sitting where I am now, able to do little more than sit in on big conversations and contribute little...it's frustrating and I hate watching my people suffer for bullshit.
However our government has failed us on pretty much every front. I know it could be worse, I'd have to be a damned inbred not to notice that but it doesn't stop the fact that we are being and will continue to be shafted for no logical reason. From the ground roots to the top our government is weak, inefficient, full of needless red tape and processing issues, bloated and disgustingly deceitful.
What maddens me the most is that it's all possible to fix, not easily but the job isn't meant to be easy.
Even ignoring the idiotic public appearances our leading men and women put in the direction they're pushing for, the ideas they churn out and the things they do are terrible and I genuinely feel a lot of anger and disgust towards them for that. Hopefully one day I can make a difference and try to steer the ship towards calmer waters but sitting where I am now, able to do little more than sit in on big conversations and contribute little...it's frustrating and I hate watching my people suffer for bullshit.
Oh fuck, I hate all the Conservative politicians who act as if their beliefs are the sensible option and if you don't agree with them then lololol u dum leftieMatthew94 said:
Fuck this government. Fuck the last government too.
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE.Esotera said:
Waaaait, what's wrong with that exactly?mParadox said:
Oh, and Michael Gove. Fuck Michael Gove. Fuck Nick Clegg too, but everyone's already agreed to that. And Osbourne. Yeah, the best way to cure a recession (left over by the previous Labour government remember (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)) is by cutting injections into the economy! Fucking great idea! Don't remember to cut that corporation tax whilst you're at it though!
I am quite neutral towards the Swedish government
Needs some modernisation, but overall it is going nicely
Could easily be much worse
Needs some modernisation, but overall it is going nicely
Could easily be much worse
We currently have one of the strongest economies in the world, so I'm quite happy with my government at the moment, it's a whole lot better than the alternative.
It's a shame most people here are to stupid to see/understand the long term plans, especially when the main reasons most don't like our Prime Minster is a lack of them understanding of how our system works, a personal dislike of her & fear campaigns run by the opposition leader.
Australia btw.
It's a shame most people here are to stupid to see/understand the long term plans, especially when the main reasons most don't like our Prime Minster is a lack of them understanding of how our system works, a personal dislike of her & fear campaigns run by the opposition leader.
Australia btw.
I'm from the US, and I really do hate my government.
Our two dominant parties are too engaged in pissing matches to get anything done (although one party does this much worse than the other, I must admit). It doesn't help that both parties are screwing over my generation (and the future of the nation and the world) to win a few votes today.
*BEGIN TANGENT*
As a result, I feel like an entire generation is being disenfranchised. I voted the year I turned 18, and I was really excited to do so. But the more I look at it, the more depressed I get. I vote out-of-district, so any vote I did would be mail-in. Those don't get counted. And anyone more than a short drive from their voting place is in the same pickle. The youth vote thus is mostly thrown away.
Our system, I feel, is broken. It's stuck in a time that has gone by, mostly because of the aging Baby Boomers. As they get older, they get catered to more and more. So my future is in the toilet. I'm stuck with debt from their problems, the things they supported. Not me. I'm in a bind because of them.
*END TANGENT*
Anyway, yeah. The U.S. government panders to outdated ideas, screws over the future for a handful of votes today, and is stuck in a quagmire due to an endless game of "I hate you, so I'll just support anything you despise despite any consequences."
Better, I know few countries are any better.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Our two dominant parties are too engaged in pissing matches to get anything done (although one party does this much worse than the other, I must admit). It doesn't help that both parties are screwing over my generation (and the future of the nation and the world) to win a few votes today.
*BEGIN TANGENT*
As a result, I feel like an entire generation is being disenfranchised. I voted the year I turned 18, and I was really excited to do so. But the more I look at it, the more depressed I get. I vote out-of-district, so any vote I did would be mail-in. Those don't get counted. And anyone more than a short drive from their voting place is in the same pickle. The youth vote thus is mostly thrown away.
Our system, I feel, is broken. It's stuck in a time that has gone by, mostly because of the aging Baby Boomers. As they get older, they get catered to more and more. So my future is in the toilet. I'm stuck with debt from their problems, the things they supported. Not me. I'm in a bind because of them.
*END TANGENT*
Anyway, yeah. The U.S. government panders to outdated ideas, screws over the future for a handful of votes today, and is stuck in a quagmire due to an endless game of "I hate you, so I'll just support anything you despise despite any consequences."
Better, I know few countries are any better.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
I'd better counterbalance this with the fact that she has voted for net censorship legislation, created a social network called MenschN and refused to admit that it was a pun on her surname, and just generally seems quite vapid. But she seems like a nice person.AnarchistFish said:
It could potentially be bad if someone who is very rarely in the UK is allowed to become an MP. Obviously, MPs who are the opposite of this but have citizenship elsewhere should probably be allowed, but there's potentially the issue that they won't represent the interests of the UK alone.AnarchistFish said:
USA.
Almost entirely corrupt, lobbied into uselessness, not representing the people whose votes supposedly direct the electoral college so much as the corporate interests which finance their campaigns.
Any time someone gets in who sees the changes that need to be made, they get libeled into submission with a huge pool of lawyers ready to refute any complaint about said libel.
In essence, we are governed by multinational corporate interests. Most policy change is for the sake of shareholders, not citizens. The state of it makes me sick... but I don't hate the government for it. One could say I hate what our culture has been molded into to keep this system of corruption afloat (so I don't necessarily blame my parents' generation for this... they've mostly just been duped. Much like my own generation).
So, uh... no option on the poll fits how I feel about this.
Almost entirely corrupt, lobbied into uselessness, not representing the people whose votes supposedly direct the electoral college so much as the corporate interests which finance their campaigns.
Any time someone gets in who sees the changes that need to be made, they get libeled into submission with a huge pool of lawyers ready to refute any complaint about said libel.
In essence, we are governed by multinational corporate interests. Most policy change is for the sake of shareholders, not citizens. The state of it makes me sick... but I don't hate the government for it. One could say I hate what our culture has been molded into to keep this system of corruption afloat (so I don't necessarily blame my parents' generation for this... they've mostly just been duped. Much like my own generation).
So, uh... no option on the poll fits how I feel about this.
Exactly - when our current party in power has been proven to have comitted election fraud, and the Prime Minister goes to the courts and says "I don't want you to do this anymore, stop talking bad about us and investigating us" and the courts... do... (not to mention the media hasn't mentioned it at all since the scandal broke, even when the courts were saying "yup, you committed treason") we are seriously fucked.AC10 said:
Edit: That and the Conservative Party has passed laws so scientists cannot even tell people what they are working on without government permission. They are not allowed to report any research done, AT ALL. Who knows what they're telling them on a more private level, or what they're doing to research already done...
Wait, you mean every political budget doesn't mysteriously misappropriate 25 billion dollars for fighter planes? And decide not to let anyone see where the money is going?IndomitableSam said:
And this is just ONE thing he's done. It just pisses me off so much. Honestly, every time I think about Harper I get so god damn angry I have to get up and walk around to cool off and think about something that isn't his pugly, smiling "fuck you" face he always wears before I can concentrate again.
I do what I can. I vote in every election, I write my MP when I have concerns (like the internet bill). I even write to MP's that aren't MINE on occasion; but nothing fucking happens. Nothing gets done, I feel powerless and that just makes me ANGRIER.
It's my dream that all Canadians will actually wake the hell up and pay attention for at least 10 minutes to what is happening on Parliament Hill. And that's just Harper, in Ontario was have Dalton McGuinty in his THIRD TERM. I was fucking LOST it that day. I was upset when he got back in. I even started looking for jobs in Germany, contacting my extended family about parachuting in with them and just finding work in Bravaria while trying to learn German.
As I live pretty close to the seat of my government, I have no choice to approve of it. Stephen Harper's mind control beams make it extremely painful to think negative thoughts about him or his slow corruption of the rights and freedoms of CanadiaOWWWWWWWW! Dammit that stings. Better stop now before I get dragged off volunteered for brainwashing constructive reeducation.
Yup - I do the same. I want nothing more than to be able to punch the guy in his smirky little face. Seriously, killing thousands of jobs in the government to pretend they're "saving money" when the people they're firing will be forced to retire early (that will ruin lives), or they get rid of younger people, too, adding to unemployment. Just get rid of the fucking senate and all will be good.
Making laws so Immigrants will be denied healthcare when they come to Canada - if we even let them in anymore, which is harder to do now that he's laid off so many people -in- Immigration. Not to mention the stricter laws. Canada isn't growing on its own, the population will fall without them (not that that would be a bad thing, in my mind, I like empty)...
He's doing everything he can to promote the Oilsands, too, and ignoring the oil spills and massive desctruction it's causing. asdfhasdfadsfdsj.... ... Done, for now.
Okay so no option really fitting my feelings so I'll try and simplify it as much as possible.
I'm probably in the very small minority on this forums by being right wing but I think the current governments is pretty much a mess. Cameron isn't a strong leader, his ministers are at best non-entities and at worst damn right incompetent and Clegg's too busy bending over the fancy desk in number ten too make any sort of impact. The opposition is in just as dire straights so on the whole there's nothing really keeping the government on its toes. They have no clear goal falling on either side of the political spectrum, Cammy is burying his head in the sand over Europe and Osbourne couldn't be any more of a useless dick if is legs were replaced with a ball sack.
SO I don't hate the government, I despise the entire mainstream political climate at the moment in general.
I'm UK by the way.
I'm probably in the very small minority on this forums by being right wing but I think the current governments is pretty much a mess. Cameron isn't a strong leader, his ministers are at best non-entities and at worst damn right incompetent and Clegg's too busy bending over the fancy desk in number ten too make any sort of impact. The opposition is in just as dire straights so on the whole there's nothing really keeping the government on its toes. They have no clear goal falling on either side of the political spectrum, Cammy is burying his head in the sand over Europe and Osbourne couldn't be any more of a useless dick if is legs were replaced with a ball sack.
SO I don't hate the government, I despise the entire mainstream political climate at the moment in general.
I'm UK by the way.
Lithuanian here, fuck them all. Everything they do either fails miserably or they steal all the funding or both. Seems like the only reason why anyone becomes a politician is to become rich. I have only one good thing to say about some of them, they did pretty good in Lithuanian version of 'dancing with the stars', not sure how that benefits our country but here you go.
I put 'Mostly Harmless' for the UK government. Westminster rains shit down upon the common people but luckily the Scottish Government put up a fairly decent umbrella for me. I feel bad for everyone who lives in England right now, at least in Scotland, Wales and NI an Act of the UK parliament doesn't take effect in the devolved places without consent of the devolved governments which is good for me because Scotland hates Conservative Party so I'm pretty safe from most of their bullshit.
United States here
We don't even have a real government anymore. They're all just puppets controlled by the banks, the lawyers, and the wealthy. It's a shame really
We should institute internet voting where every citizen could vote on every law put into place, like an actual democracy. Now we're stuck with a guy who lies during his campaign, gets voted in, and does nothing that he said he would do. When this happens, there's nothing we can do except wait it out for four years and try to elect someone else who will end up doing the same thing.
We don't even have a real government anymore. They're all just puppets controlled by the banks, the lawyers, and the wealthy. It's a shame really
We should institute internet voting where every citizen could vote on every law put into place, like an actual democracy. Now we're stuck with a guy who lies during his campaign, gets voted in, and does nothing that he said he would do. When this happens, there's nothing we can do except wait it out for four years and try to elect someone else who will end up doing the same thing.
Short Version: Things are messed up in the US now, but will hopefully go back to normal after the election in November.
the long version, complete with explanations for Non-Americans
the long version, complete with explanations for Non-Americans
(note: I have a liberal bias)
since the united states runs on a two party system (which i think is rather bad for us) a certain amount of balance and similarity between the typically left leaning Democrats and right leaning Republicans is needed to get anything done.
The election of President Obama outraged many conservatives (most of them middle aged, middle class white people). these outraged conservatives formed a group known as the Tea Party within the Republican Party. these far-right Tea Party Republicans, who often clash ideologically with main stream Republicans, began to enter into the US's two legislative bodies, the House of Representative and the Senate.
inside the House and Senate, these Tea Party Republicans vote against the majority of bills submitted by Democrats, thus riddling the legislative branch with gridlock regarding any bill more controversial than the 'Buy new toys for orphans with cancer' bill. this grindlock has become so bad it got the credit worthiness of the nation downgraded, not because we lack funds, but because the effectiveness of the legislature to handle the nation's finances were thrown into question.
the government may be able to return to it's formal, semi-operational state after the election is over, since a lot of what we are seeing on T.V. now mainly consists of political theatrics and posturing. but, to be honest, if Obama wins a second term it may infuriate the Tea Party enough to turn to even more obstructionist actions (although i think it has a equally good chance of taking the wind out of their sails).
since the united states runs on a two party system (which i think is rather bad for us) a certain amount of balance and similarity between the typically left leaning Democrats and right leaning Republicans is needed to get anything done.
The election of President Obama outraged many conservatives (most of them middle aged, middle class white people). these outraged conservatives formed a group known as the Tea Party within the Republican Party. these far-right Tea Party Republicans, who often clash ideologically with main stream Republicans, began to enter into the US's two legislative bodies, the House of Representative and the Senate.
inside the House and Senate, these Tea Party Republicans vote against the majority of bills submitted by Democrats, thus riddling the legislative branch with gridlock regarding any bill more controversial than the 'Buy new toys for orphans with cancer' bill. this grindlock has become so bad it got the credit worthiness of the nation downgraded, not because we lack funds, but because the effectiveness of the legislature to handle the nation's finances were thrown into question.
the government may be able to return to it's formal, semi-operational state after the election is over, since a lot of what we are seeing on T.V. now mainly consists of political theatrics and posturing. but, to be honest, if Obama wins a second term it may infuriate the Tea Party enough to turn to even more obstructionist actions (although i think it has a equally good chance of taking the wind out of their sails).