Fixed it for you.Dags90 said:So true.Jaime_Wolf said:Gay or straight scales matter a lot here. Expectations differ substantially.Sometimes I thinkgay men are worse than straight women with body issues.
But gay men aren't any worse off than straight men [http://www.msoe.edu/life_at_msoe/current_student_resources/student_resources/counseling_services/newsletters_for_mental_health/body_image_dissatisfaction.shtml] when it comes to body issues. They're just more likely to do the wrong things about it.Jaime_Wolf said:Fixed it for you.
I don't believe that to be true. As a guy, I think that guys, straight or gay, have the ability to sense how attractive another male is and put themselves in the position of, say, a girl looking for a partner. I imagine this is similar for girls. I also imagine that these expectations only seem to exist to straight people or other gay people because of limited supply. But who knows.Jaime_Wolf said:Fixed it for you.Dags90 said:So true.Jaime_Wolf said:Gay or straight scales matter a lot here. Expectations differ substantially.Sometimes I thinkgay men are worse than straight women with body issues.
My experience has suggested that it's pretty true. I've seen countless men that women swoon over rejected as "average at best" by a gay audience. This is the classic problem of the gay guy constantly told by women that they don't understand why he can't get a date since they perceive him as extremely attractive. Hell, you can roughly quantify this pretty easily - just ask women what number they rate a guy and then ask gay men. The numbers trend pretty systematically downward in almost all cases.144 said:I don't believe that to be true. As a guy, I think that guys, straight or gay, have the ability to sense how attractive another male is and put themselves in the position of, say, a girl looking for a partner. I imagine this is similar for girls. I also imagine that these expectations only seem to exist to straight people or other gay people because of limited supply. But who knows.Jaime_Wolf said:Fixed it for you.Dags90 said:So true.Jaime_Wolf said:Gay or straight scales matter a lot here. Expectations differ substantially.Sometimes I thinkgay men are worse than straight women with body issues.
Huh. I've been touted as attractive by both genders alike, but more gays have made (obvious) advances upon me than girls. If what you're saying is that gays simply have higher standards, then I find contradiction. If what you're saying is that gays and straights have the expectations expected from their opposite gender, than perhaps they should judge themselves as though they are the other gender for this study, I wonder. Just a curiosity, I guess...Jaime_Wolf said:My experience has suggested that it's pretty true. I've seen countless men that women swoon over rejected as "average at best" by a gay audience. This is the classic problem of the gay guy constantly told by women that they don't understand why he can't get a date since they perceive him as extremely attractive. Hell, you can roughly quantify this pretty easily - just ask women what number they rate a guy and then ask gay men. The numbers trend pretty systematically downward in almost all cases.144 said:I don't believe that to be true. As a guy, I think that guys, straight or gay, have the ability to sense how attractive another male is and put themselves in the position of, say, a girl looking for a partner. I imagine this is similar for girls. I also imagine that these expectations only seem to exist to straight people or other gay people because of limited supply. But who knows.
I'm completely willing to believe, as another poster pointed out, that self-esteem and self body image are pretty identical for gay and straight males, but when it comes to the judging of others, gay culture fetishizes youth, thinness, and physical attractiviness in men far, far beyond the level of straight culture.
Well, not only are you not giving yourself enough credit, but you clearly have two eyes.Girl With One Eye said:I'm a pretty ugly girl, 2/10 on a bad day, 3/10 on a good day.
That or gays are more likely to make overt advances, that would pretty much get rid of any contradiction. Or it could just be a sampling error.144 said:Huh. I've been touted as attractive by both genders alike, but more gays have made (obvious) advances upon me than girls. If what you're saying is that gays simply have higher standards, than I find contradiction. If what you're saying is that gays and straights have the expectations expected from their opposite gender, than perhaps they should judge themselves as though they are the other gender for this study, I wonder. Just a curiosity, I guess...
First, what I'm saying is that the overwhelming generalization is that gay men will rate men as less attractive than heterosexual women will. Counting advances might be a problematically indirect means of measurement since there are a lot of situations where gay men are far more willing to make advances than heterosexual women tend to be. As I said though, as a general rule, if you get attractiveness ratings from both groups, the ratings from gay men will tend to be lower. There's probably also a ceiling effect here - so if you're really attractive, the scores aren't going to differ a lot and people closer to the middle are going to be better indicators of the trend.144 said:Huh. I've been touted as attractive by both genders alike, but more gays have made (obvious) advances upon me than girls. If what you're saying is that gays simply have higher standards, then I find contradiction. If what you're saying is that gays and straights have the expectations expected from their opposite gender, than perhaps they should judge themselves as though they are the other gender for this study, I wonder. Just a curiosity, I guess...Jaime_Wolf said:My experience has suggested that it's pretty true. I've seen countless men that women swoon over rejected as "average at best" by a gay audience. This is the classic problem of the gay guy constantly told by women that they don't understand why he can't get a date since they perceive him as extremely attractive. Hell, you can roughly quantify this pretty easily - just ask women what number they rate a guy and then ask gay men. The numbers trend pretty systematically downward in almost all cases.144 said:I don't believe that to be true. As a guy, I think that guys, straight or gay, have the ability to sense how attractive another male is and put themselves in the position of, say, a girl looking for a partner. I imagine this is similar for girls. I also imagine that these expectations only seem to exist to straight people or other gay people because of limited supply. But who knows.
I'm completely willing to believe, as another poster pointed out, that self-esteem and self body image are pretty identical for gay and straight males, but when it comes to the judging of others, gay culture fetishizes youth, thinness, and physical attractiviness in men far, far beyond the level of straight culture.