KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime said:
FirstNameLastName said:
MarsAtlas said:
s0denone said:
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You missed the last panel of the comic? The punchline? "I hate all cis people today".
No, pretty sure I saw it. Its basically the entire message of the strip. Person gets assaulted for being trans and her supposed friends and family only care about not getting generalized rather than actually being any sort of helpful or supportive.
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Perhaps if the comic made it clear that her friends and family were aware of the assault that might be the message to take away from it, but the comic gives no indication that she's made any attempt to tell them. How exactly are they supposed to care about something she hasn't even told them? Or are they just supposed to assume she's justified in writing what ever she writes?
And considering her (presumably) cis friends and family fall into the category of people she's declaring her hatred of, they're well within their rights to call her out for it. Likewise, she's well within her rights to post what she wants, but no one is obligated to give her a free pass when she's telling them she hates them. And if she doesn't
actually hate them then perhaps she ought not say such things.
As for this idea of venting, why not privately contact someone to talk about it with, rather than publicly declaring your hatred for (probably) upwards of 90% of your social media friends and wondering why they don't understand that you can apparently do no wrong.
Much of what you've written only has the most tenuous connection to what I even wrote, and seems to be a left over response to the arguments of others that I haven't even brought up. But since you've posted it at me, I'll respond.
Two things, which everyone keeps disregarding: Most of us in the trans community have seen a friend, or family member whose of a socially privileged group(I.E. white, cisgender, and/or heterosexual) get away with saying "I hate *blank* people to day"... In a Racist, transphobic, homophobic, sexist, or other bigoted fashion, and get basically now blow back from it.
What exactly is the implication here? People aren't
always mobbed for being racist/sexist/homophobic/transphobic/whatever-else-phobic? The same can be said for people who post hatred of the majority as well, or are you going to tell me that absolutely every single time bar
none results in people being attacked? I wouldn't expect absolutely
every post by
every person to spark a massive internet shitstorm.
I'm rather unclear on what exactly you're trying to imply with this, but it seems you're trying to imply there is some problem with apathy towards racism/sexism/etc on the internet, and if so, that's a laugh. People get pilloried on the internet for
way less than "I hate _______ people today". Boycotts and shaming over non-progressive beliefs is very common these days, so the idea that there isn't enough of this type of thing is absurd.
The other is that we have a group of privileged people(cisgender people), showing absolutely no empathy for a group of people who are literally denied life for being who we are.
Oh, I'll get to
this later ...
All this mind you over "die cis scum" and how people feel about the terms "cis" and "cisgender"... I'm sorry but defending the feelings of a group that is virtually solely responsible for the actual demonstrable suffering and death of another group, even if the latter hurt the former groups precious little feelings... This whole argument doesn't fly. We literally have people claiming that "cis" is used as a slur comprable with the likes of "******", "*****", "******", and "tranny". Except for one thing, the former word isn't used to cause massive public social shunning, or incite actual violence. People don't shout "cis scum" then beat up, or murder a cisgender person, but the other slurs are used to incite that kind of violence.
Considering I neither said "cis" is a slur, nor believe it, this has little relevance to me, so I'll assume it's addressed to others in this thread. There is, however, one part that seems emblematic of this whole argument that falls right in line with your next paragraphs.
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I'm sorry but defending the feelings of a group that is virtually solely responsible for the actual demonstrable suffering and death of another group, even if the latter hurt the former groups precious little feelings
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The whole argument of "hate only begets more hate" falls understandably on deaf ears, when you're comparing frustration of a minority group with no real power, to a majority group that actually causes the suffering of the minority group in question. It is so intellectually dishonest to compare feelings to wide spread demonstrable discrimination and suffering, especially when you're defending feelings of the group that allows the suffering to happen. You can "well not all cis people" until you're blue in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that most cis folk who aren't actively contributing to the suffering, are instead ignoring that it even happens.
In that context, the feelings of a group, that doesn't face the issues trans people face on a daily basis, are essentially meaningless.
Feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible, feelings, group, responsible ...
Don't worry, I'm not going to bother "well not all cis people"-ing until I'm blue in the face, since it's clear you're already committed to the idea of "
we can do no wrong against
them", but considering how hard you are "yes all cis people"-ing, I am going to "not all cis people" just a little.
You keep grouping all cis people together into one amorphous group, none of who's opinions matter apparently because they're all guilty of the crimes of each and every other cis person. Why should individuals be completely disregarded for being born into a group they had no choice over? I guess that's only a bad thing when it's applied to trans people, though.
As for this talk of comparing people's suffering, I'm not asking you to believe being assaulted for being trans is comparable to someone being being rude to cis people on the internet, it's
not, but that's not even the point here despite the apparent eagerness to bring it up. I'm simply telling you that the two don't need to be
comparable in order to be unjustified and uncalled for, because this isn't a competition to see who has it worse. Two wrongs don't make a right, and your own bad experiences don't justify contempt of others, despite how understandable it is. It's also understandable when junkies break into cars for drug money; it's understandable when childhood sexual abuse victims go on to abuse others; it's understandable when some bullied kid, or religion extremist goes on to shoot up civilians. Understandable is not the same thing as justified, and in case you're going to point out the difference in severity between those analogies and disrespectful posts on the internet, I'll remind you that bad behavior is still bad behavior regardless of how it stacks up to the actions of others.
I'm also not asking you to respect the feelings of people who attack you, but I
am telling you to respect those who
haven't and not tar everyone with the same brush, regardless of whether you believe "the group" as a whole aren't doing enough to help you.
So you can sit here all day typing out every last grievance you've ever had with cis people, typing away until your fingers bleed, but it doesn't justify contempt for others based on the crimes of some group.
You ask for empathy yet you proudly wear your disregard for others based on their own gender, well, despite how quick you are to disregard the phrase "hate begets hate", the fact that this comic and other trans people in this thread are complaining about all the hate that has been begot from these actions should be evidence enough for it's truth.
Respect is a two way street, and before people say it,
no, I'm
not claiming disrespect of trans people as a group is justified because individuals within the trans community feel justified in their contempt for others. Respect should be based on an individual's own actions, not the actions of some nebulous group, whether they're trans, cis, or anything else.
Oh well, I guess it doesn't really matter how much I type here, or whether this argument goes anywhere at all; the opinion that contempt for cis people is justified as long as you belong to some marginalized group is just that, an
opinion, and considering how much complaining there is about people being called out for their hypocritical hatred of cis people as a group, it seems it's not an opinion shared by the majority.
