Poll: http://www.conservapedia.com - people really agree with this?

[Shapsters]

Idiots find that hard to understand.

You see, normally I would laugh and then remark how humorously true that was. But since your of the dreaded Canadians, I'll have to shoot you. Twice. In the dick.

Ok! Thats cool, can we still keep in touch buddy?

 

[Shapsters]

Idiots find that hard to understand.

You see, normally I would laugh and then remark how humorously true that was. But since your of the dreaded Canadians, I'll have to shoot you. Twice. In the dick.

Ok! Thats cool, can we still keep in touch buddy?

Gur... Sure... *Runs*

Excellent, my Canadian charm and niceness has trumped you yet again! Now about my dick.

*looks down*

 

[TornadoADV]

Atheism is the lack of a belief in a higher deity. Agnostic is the belief in the existence of a higher deity, but that the truth is inherently unknowable. (In other words, you don't root for a specific god or gods.)

 

[Shapsters]

Excellent, my Canadian charm and niceness has trumped you yet again! Now about my dick.

*looks down*

*Comes back in and shoots him again*
*Twice*
*Also I take his Purse*
*His sissy Canadian Purse! With a Flower in it!*

Its not a purse its a European Carryall!! Oh for the love of-

*collapses*

 

[Cakes]

Atheism is the lack of a belief in a higher deity. Agnostic is the belief in the existence of a higher deity, but that the truth is inherently unknowable. (In other words, you don't root for a specific god or gods.)

No, not at all. Agnostics say "we can't know either way". What you just described is Deism.

 

[Shapsters]

Its not a purse its a European Carryall!! Oh for the love of-

*collapses*

Hey! Where are the American Dollars? I can only see this stupid Non-American Money.

Speaking of American money, I was down in the States a little while ago, I really hate the one dollar bill thing, especially in vending machines. It really made me miss the ol' Loonie!

 

[Skeleon]

But you still haven't really answered the question... why make it worth it if you'll never ever remember it again... if all you do when you die is sit in the ground a rot, whats the point of doing anything while you're alive? Anyone who remembers anything you did will end up just like you, and eventually no one will remember anything about you...

There are other things to look forward to besides a questionable afterlife.
There's joy in life. There are goals you set for yourself, people to interact with and love, children to raise and educate. How is it so difficult to accept that people like living for living's sake? Life is a beautiful thing, a one-time chance, one that I wouldn't want to pass up. As I said many times on these forums before, to me, there's no intrinsic meaning of life. But we can find our own.

Oh, and something will remain of you. Whether it's even a mention in a book somewhere (or something grander perhaps?), your kids and grandkids or maybe just the memory of you in somebody else's mind. Everybody leaves an impact on this world and there's such a thing as a legacy one might want to leave behind, however small.

Oh, and on topic: Wow. Just wow. I looked at the website and thought "this must be satire". But I'm not quite sure it is.

 

[Eisenfaust]

But you still haven't really answered the question... why make it worth it if you'll never ever remember it again... if all you do when you die is sit in the ground a rot, whats the point of doing anything while you're alive? Anyone who remembers anything you did will end up just like you, and eventually no one will remember anything about you...

There are other things to look forward to besides a questionable afterlife.
There's joy in life. There are goals you set for yourself, people to interact with and love, children to raise and educate. How is it so difficult to accept that people like living for living's sake? Life is a beautiful thing, a one-time chance, one that I wouldn't want to pass up. As I said many times on these forums before, to me, there's no intrinsic meaning of life. But we can find our own.

Oh, and something will remain of you. Whether it's even a mention in a book somewhere (or something grander perhaps?), your kids and grandkids or maybe just the memory of you in somebody else's mind. Everybody leaves an impact on this world and there's such a thing as a legacy one might want to leave behind, however small.

ok, there's joy in life, enjoy it... i'm not trying to stop you from doing that, i'm simply asking... why do you bother? whats it in aid of? and so what if others remember you? they'll just die eventually as well anyway... and "Living is awesome, we've only got one chance so let's make it kick ass" isn't really an answer... I'm asking why bother? why must it kick arse if its ultimately meaningless? every time i've brought this up, everyone's knee-jerk reaction has been "we only have one chance. we should live a good life". I ask them "but why bother?" and they just repeat themselves... its an illogical arguement... the hell is the point?!

 

[Shapsters]

Speaking of American money, I was down in the States a little while ago, I really hate the one dollar bill thing, especially in vending machines. It really made me miss the ol' Loonie!

Ha, once again America triumphs!

Hmm...I fail to see your logic.

 

[Graustein]

Atheism is the lack of a belief in a higher deity. Agnostic is the belief in the existence of a higher deity, but that the truth is inherently unknowable. (In other words, you don't root for a specific god or gods.)

No, not at all. Agnostics say "we can't know either way". What you just described is Deism.

While you are correct in that agnosticism is "we can't know either way", that is not deism. Deism is the belief in a non-interventionist higher power. One form of deism is a belief that "God created the universe, set up the laws of physics, and then pressed the 'go' button", but that's hardly the only interpretation.

I know this because I am an agnostic deist.

 

[Skeleon]

I ask them "but why bother?" and they just repeat themselves... its an illogical arguement... the hell is the point?!

The thing is, you repeat yourself as well.

Maybe the problem is that our definitions of meaning are just too different.
I don't believe life is meaningless just because there's no afterlife.
Why do you need an evaluator and a reward for your life to matter?

"The point" is whatever you make of it.
To me, the point is to (however cheesy that sounds) help other people, someday have kids and raise them to be good people and die happy.

But everybody has a different definition of what makes their life matter.
Maybe, to you, it's to live a good life and get into heaven?
Maybe to another person, it's to acquire a lot of wealth?
And some other people might not ever find their true meaning.

There is no "ultimate goal" in life as there is no "objective meaning" in it, either.
That does not, however, diminish the value of your life, since there are plenty of subjective meanings to choose from, based on what you think (depending on your upbringing, education, morals, beliefs) is important in this life.

 

[Doctor Panda]

I'm pretty sure all the definitions of athiesm and agnosticism. Agnosticism comes from a- (without) and gnosis (knowledge - which later gained more specific connotations of knowledge of divinity) - it's a state of either believing that knowledge of the divine and similar concepts is either unknown or unknowable. Athiesm is simly a lack of belief in god - which can be either active disbelief or passive lack of belief. These days the words have different connotations, and different groups will use the words differently.

Using the traditional definitions, one (including myself) can be an agnostic athiest, indicating that they don't think god is real but they don't pretend to *know* god is not real.

This position appeals to me. People ask me 'how can you believe there is nothing bigger and greater than yourself - beyond your comprehension' to which i answer 'there may be, but if there is it's *beyond my comprehension* and i don't pretend to know anything about it'

 

[Eisenfaust]

I ask them "but why bother?" and they just repeat themselves... its an illogical arguement... the hell is the point?!

The thing is, you repeat yourself as well.

Maybe the problem is that our definitions of meaning are just too different.
I don't believe life is meaningless just because there's no afterlife.
Why do you need an evaluator and a reward for your life to matter?

"The point" is whatever you make of it.
To me, the point is to (however cheesy that sounds) help other people, someday have kids and raise them to be good people and die happy.

But everybody has a different definition of what makes their life matter.
Maybe, to you, it's to live a good life and get into heaven?
Maybe to another person, it's to acquire a lot of wealth?
And some other people might not ever find their true meaning.

There is no "ultimate goal" in life as there is no "objective meaning" in it, either.
That does not, however, diminish the value of your life, since there are plenty of subjective meanings to choose from, based on what you think (depending on your upbringing, education, morals, beliefs) is important in this life.

of course i repeat myself... what i say is a question, what they say is an undefined statement that their point of view predominantly disagrees with... and that may be your goal in life, but what do you get for it when all is said and done? the satisfaction? if you're right, you won't feel it... you won't have the knowledge, and anyone following will end up as feelingless and as... well, dead as you are... i'm not saying you can't have goals, but if ultimately it doesn't mean anything... "finding your meaning" seems like a rather irrelevant statement in a world where everything is meaningless... if the point of life is to live, as you are fond of saying, but living is ultimately pointless, doesn't that sort of technically make life pointless?

and i know you said that you don't think life is meaningless, and you'll say it again, but why don't you think that? like it or not, if you're right about the afterlife you're really just biding time until you die... you can fill in the intervening time with whatever you want, but it all comes down to naught... you won't remember, your kids, their kids, etc, etc, all won't remember... it's like reading a car magazine in the waiting room of a dental practice... sure the pictures are nice to look at until, but as soon as you leave you forget it all and it was relatively pointless to read it in the first place...

(and yes, i know, someone of you might like reading car magazines at the dentist but shutup, that's not the point i'm making...)