Well, yes. But don't you find it hilariously ironic that an online encyclopedia that claims to be more "factual" than Wikipedia has far less facts? The sad thing is the people who actually use Conservapedia sincerely probably won't touch Wikipedia for fear it's too "liberal" nevertheless.chronobreak said:
Poll: http://www.conservapedia.com - people really agree with this?
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I couldn't find where they claimed to be more factual, all it says is "An encyclopaedia with articles written from a conservative viewpoint". If they actually made that claim, they would obviously be very wrong. Don't assume all conservatives are sheep, however, and that they aren't willing to look at both sides of a coin when getting information.somekindarobot said:
well im a Roman Catholic,Republican,Conservative ect. i think you get the point. so yes i do side with the conservative guys who link Adolf Hitler to evolution (even though that dose sound rather weird)
"denial of the existance of God"
Denial means when something has been proven with evidence yet you refuse to accept it. God has not been proven with any evidence and no evidence has been presented to support a deity, therefor Atheists in no way, shape or form deny the existence of a Deity.
Now most atheists will probably get on my ass for this, but any strong atheist believes there is no God. The difference between a Strong Atheist and a Theist is that an Atheist believes there's no God because of the lack of evidence, whilst a Theist believes in a God even tho there's no evidence to support him.
An agnostic holds the position that the existence of a God is highly improbable and that somewhere out there something that might be defined has a God exists, but until further evidence is presented they will not believe in any God/God's.
Denial means when something has been proven with evidence yet you refuse to accept it. God has not been proven with any evidence and no evidence has been presented to support a deity, therefor Atheists in no way, shape or form deny the existence of a Deity.
Now most atheists will probably get on my ass for this, but any strong atheist believes there is no God. The difference between a Strong Atheist and a Theist is that an Atheist believes there's no God because of the lack of evidence, whilst a Theist believes in a God even tho there's no evidence to support him.
An agnostic holds the position that the existence of a God is highly improbable and that somewhere out there something that might be defined has a God exists, but until further evidence is presented they will not believe in any God/God's.
I think this is very alike to my friend's view on trophies for the PS3. I was trying to complete a game and get the trophies.Eisenfaust said:
He said "Are you just playing this game for the trophies?"
I reply "I quite like the game but mainly yes"
"But what's the point?" He asks.
"Because it's fun, AND I like gaining them, because they are a challenge to obtain."
And by your standard, gaming is futile. After you turn off your console, you don't gain anything. So what's the point?
To summarise, I quote Kreia:
"It does not matter where we go. It is not the destination that matters. It is the journey"
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I do think Atheism comes as a result of not believing in God
Also, kudos to the person who mentioned Deism. Very interesting.
I smell a metaphor coming...Eisenfaust said:
Let's say that you're looking for work. There are two mean looking for a job, the first man, Tim*, is looking for only a high paying job. While the second man, Pete*, looks for volunteer work. At the end who had earned more?.
*Tim and Pete are completely arbitrary names.
Being Roman Catholic doesn't have to exclude evolution. Hell, John Paul II said "stop being stupid and ignoring science, evolution happened". Not quite in those words, but you get the point. Also, linking the Holocaust to evolution is a really cheap shot...Hitler was one evil ************. It makes no difference if he was Christian, Atheist, etc. Stupid people will kill each other for stupid reasons. No need to turn it into a "Well your group killed THIS many" argument.hippykiller said:
i'm not saying that all athiests think that, i'm saying that under athiesm, it should logically make sense... i said before... "if the point of life is to live, and living ultimately means nothing, then life, by extention, means nothing"Cakes said:
and what you're not understanding is that I don't understand why its important to have as much kick-assedry as possible if it results in nothing... don't argue that it does because you'll leave your mark on the world or whatever, since if your right, eventually it will boil down to nothing... why do something that will ultimately effect no-one and will be lost forever in obscurity?
and i answered the "why i don't committ suicide myself" question before... since i'm religious i see life as a proving ground, etc, etc, plus... suicide = burning
which is an interesting point... why do they think there's a point? why is "to do as much as possible" the point, if you won't remember it, if eventually no one will remember it... when the sun explodes or whatever, why does the pot you smoked 10,000 years before mean anything? In my mind, what i did 10000 years before mattered because it determined whether i went up or down, but for athiests...Skeleon said:
right, take that, then add a "and you won't remember ever getting the trophies anyway" and you come close to the point i'm getting across... the satisfaction of knowing you did something, as frivelous as it was, doesn't matter if you're not around to feel that satisfaction...Jjtricky said:
I'm about to completely mangle absurdism. Please read The Myth of Sisyphus because it's way better than I am.Eisenfaust said:
We live because we have a moral obligation to revolt against our own death.
Two things are true; that we long for some sort of reason in the universe (a reason to live? a reason for being here?), and that the universe has none of that to give that we can know of (at least, you believe this if you are an atheist/absurdist). This creates an absurd. You can't suddenly pretend there's reason in the universe just because you want to ("That sky ain't blue! It can't be!"), and, if you're aware of the absurd, you can't say you don't want that reason. If you commit suicide (for philosophical reasons; mental illness is a whole different cow), you're trying to get rid of the absurd by getting rid of yourself, one of the poles of absurd (Side-note: you get rid of the other pole by believing in God and thus creating a reason).
In realizing that the universe has no absolute reasons, we become free to think for ourselves, create our own morality, create our own meaning. Death will steal our ability to think, but it's up to us to try...
I don't know if I answered your question really; it's hard because your question stirs my own philosophy, but it's not necessarily formed as an "answer" to your question. Help me refine it as an answer if you're still curious, please. xP
Is that really the reason you're not killing yourself?Eisenfaust said:
If doctrine was that it didn't matter how you died, would you really kill yourself to get "there" quicker?!?
Are the attempt to accumulate a lot of "good deeds" and the fear of burning in hell for suicide really the only two reasons for avoiding an early death to you?
This I tried to explain.
It's the value we place on life itself and the meaning we create for ourselves. Why would I care (while still alive, shortly before my death) that I won't remember it, as long as I die knowing I lived my life to the fullest and reached my goals?
On the contrary, I'd die content, happily going into nothingness, knowing I did something good.
Maybe it's life and the deeds in life themselves we place so much value on instead of a reward sometimes afterwards. And it makes sense; if you only have this life, why not make it something worthwhile?
Eisenfaust, you're right, you're not ignoring every answer, just ignoring the DECENCY of the one given to you. The answer you have gotten so often is a good one... to atheist. We understand why our life is worth living. The major problem is the two groups think in a fundamentally different way.Eisenfaust said:
I am not a religious person so i have to guess at how you think. So this is my interpretation of life as a religious person. To you, life is a test, a trial, to show the quality of your heart, the outcome decides where you go when you pass on. You go through life working towards the heaven that lies beyond. Doing what God tells you is right, because its the kind of mindset that the grand creator says is right.
Atheists go through life with two thoughts in mind. One, life is fleeting, it only lasts for a short while; if you squander it, you will never be happy. A moment is not worth living or enjoying because you get to reminisce about it later in heaven, rather, because at that time you are happy. Right now, i'm happy, i feel joy, thats all i could ask for right now. As Achilles put it, life is more beautiful because any moment could be our last. Greek philosophy FTW. The second thing atheists go through life thinking is on the subject of morality. Number 3 above is your opinion... Atheists do not just 'do whatever'. Atheists believe in doing the right thing, and being the right person because that is what they would want others to do for them.
In short, we will never be able to understand each other. We think in different ways. The problem is language. Not the best at getting thoughts across is it?
It's the reason i don't kill myself when things get horrifically bad, why i never seriously consider suicide... i think i have plenty to live for, as well as ultimate goals that (and i'm sorry for using this word) transcend this world (i know, sorry)...Skeleon said:
and why do you define what you've done as good? i'm not saying that you should be placing a higher value on the reawrds afterwards, i'm trying to figure out why you're doing anything... "because we only have one chance" doesn't really cut it since that "one chance" won't have any effect... and how is anything that untimately won't matter "worthwhile"? it's like... one night you and everyone around you drink so much alcohol that you'll forget everything that ever happened that night... what was the point of doing it? to party? you won't remember it... to pass the time and get that night over faster? you could have just taken a sleeping pill and passed the time that way...
No, because "denial" implies that god exists in the first place, which, to an atheist, he/she doesn't.