Poll: Human Motivation

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Saevus

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No. You have completely failed to address any existential motivations, instead naively (and perhaps misanthropically) deciding that so long as instinctual needs are met, a human being is satisfied.

Thank you for trying, but take at least a cursory look at what has already been written on this subject. As Imitation said, Maslow's hierarchy of needs; or, God forbid, you actually investigate existentialism a bid.
 

Azeban

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Saevus post=18.75058.856244 said:
No. You have completely failed to address any existential motivations, instead naively (and perhaps misanthropically) deciding that so long as instinctual needs are met, a human being is satisfied.

Thank you for trying, but take at least a cursory look at what has already been written on this subject. As Imitation said, Maslow's hierarchy of needs; or, God forbid, you actually investigate existentialism a bid.
Wow, you sure are annoyed at me. It's just a thread dude, chill out.

I know quite a bit of existentialism, but whatever I said here to prove that could be pulled off Wikipedia, so there's no way to prove that I knew it before.

I'm not making your mom jokes here. What's offending you so much?
 

Easykill

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Everyone else seems to want to have a meaning for their existence; I'd personally rather be useless. Or better yet; be the little error that ruins the plans of whoever was douchebag enough to put a label on my life. Thus, I could never be happy with what you described. Freedom over comfort and safety, thank you very much.
 

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Azeban post=362.75058.855525 said:
I've been thinking lately...are we humans simpler than we really pretend to be? We pretend that our motivations are more complex than they really are. But I think our motivations can be boiled down.

We want to be entertained, we want to be loved, we want to be warm, and we want to be full.

If we gave each human a comfy bed, a stable food supply, a great telly, and a decent looking significant other that makes interesting conversation and likes to cuddle, would anyone get out of that bed? (Recreation not counting, I realize that people like to play sports and videogames)
My guru. :)
 

Saevus

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Easykill post=18.75058.856346 said:
Freedom over comfort and safety
The Grand Inquisitor (Chapter from Dostoevsky's The Brothers Karamazov); look it up. You may find it quite interesting.

Azeban post=18.75058.856327 said:
Saevus post=18.75058.856244 said:
No. You have completely failed to address any existential motivations, instead naively (and perhaps misanthropically) deciding that so long as instinctual needs are met, a human being is satisfied.

Thank you for trying, but take at least a cursory look at what has already been written on this subject. As Imitation said, Maslow's hierarchy of needs; or, God forbid, you actually investigate existentialism a bid.
Wow, you sure are annoyed at me. It's just a thread dude, chill out.

I know quite a bit of existentialism, but whatever I said here to prove that could be pulled off Wikipedia, so there's no way to prove that I knew it before.

I'm not making your mom jokes here. What's offending you so much?
Apparently I should've tacked on 'Nothing personal' to that post.

What offends me is your theory. You've presented an idea that has been addressed so often that it's something of a trope, and haven't given any sort of compelling evidence or fresh perspective on it. You didn't provide any particular reasons for your belief in this theory, no observations, nor any research.

Instead, you've presented another 'Look, I'm anthrosophicalizologying!' thread, the sort that usually turns into a hotbed of ignorance.
 

JMeganSnow

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I also like to Make Stuff. Being a passive absorber on a permanent basis just doesn't appeal to me.

In other words, I'm with Saevus.
 

Azeban

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The point of this thread is mainly for the poll. I'm wondering if I touched on everything we need. I think if you cut off the highest two steps off of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it becomes more accurate.
 

Saevus

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Azeban post=18.75058.856461 said:
The point of this thread is mainly for the poll. I'm wondering if I touched on everything we need. I think if you cut off the highest two steps off of Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it becomes more accurate.
Ignoring parts of reality to make it suit your model doesn't pass the giggle test.

And that while it may make the model 'more accurate', it will still continuously fail to account for deviant behaviour as your theory is characterized by absolute, sweeping statements. Which is a very, very bad move.
 

SecretTacoNinja

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No, I need adventure

(In the great wide somewheeere~*)

And mental stimulation and video games, and music, and some form of excercise... and my dogs.

*A cookie to the person who got that reference
 

Saevus

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Taxi Driver post=18.75058.856878 said:
Saevus post=18.75058.856244 said:
No. You have completely failed to address any existential motivations, instead naively (and perhaps misanthropically) deciding that so long as instinctual needs are met, a human being is satisfied.
Could a human being be dissatisfied even when all their needs are met? Could existential motivation be instinctual in its roots? Could existential motivation ultimately be shallow and simple?

These are questions I legitimately don't know, and am simply asking you about them because you might know. Please don't take offense to them. Also when explaining your answer, if you choose to answer, could you put it in terms relatively easy for someone less knowledgeable about the topic to understand?
A person who has met all their needs is, by definition, satisfied. The question is moreso if someone can ever meet all their needs - and the answer is, probably, yes. There are probably a few people who are completely satisfied with and fully reconciled to their lives, however they went about it. The vast majority of people don't really know what their more ephemeral needs are, though, let alone how to meet them.

Existential motivations are, from my understanding, the result of our human faculties being confounded by the world; the 'Why?' questions. Instinct in the animal sense of 'Eat, drink, sleep, reproduce' is satisfied by knowing 'what' and 'how'. In a hurricane, an animal does not ask 'Why is this horrible event happening?', it just knows that it needs to get to safety and how to get that safety. An animal doesn't ponder 'Why am I here and what should I do?'; being there to propagate their species is enough.

Of course, there are a lot of very fine points concerning sapience and sentience that are controversial, to say the least, so that's really only a convenient analogy to demonstrate my hypothesis.

Existential motivations can be phrased simply to give an overview of a motivation. For example, the phenomena of science could be stated to have a few very broad needs:

1. To understand the world, as it does not make sense in its current state and thus threatens the basic understanding that an individual exists in (i.e. physics, biology, or meteorology).

2. To improve something, as it is not satisfactory or sufficient in its current state (i.e. any technological developments or sciences that impact the earth itself).

And there are, of course, quite likely more. I'm not a student of the philosophy of science, and the actual textbook examples either relate to more esoteric subjects or to controversial ones (no way I want to bring religion into this thread).

But while you've got those two basic motives, they can be pared down infinitely into motivations specific to one person at one time in their life. So, I guess the tl;dr is generally, yes; specifically, no.
 

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Azeban post=18.75058.856327 said:
Saevus post=18.75058.856244 said:
No. You have completely failed to address any existential motivations, instead naively (and perhaps misanthropically) deciding that so long as instinctual needs are met, a human being is satisfied.

Thank you for trying, but take at least a cursory look at what has already been written on this subject. As Imitation said, Maslow's hierarchy of needs; or, God forbid, you actually investigate existentialism a bid.
Wow, you sure are annoyed at me. It's just a thread dude, chill out.

I know quite a bit of existentialism, but whatever I said here to prove that could be pulled off Wikipedia, so there's no way to prove that I knew it before.

I'm not making your mom jokes here. What's offending you so much?
Saevus has a strange habit of doing that...(he's intelligent but he's misunderstood or misunderstanding and this can be a spark in the gas oven of human emotion) He's not wrong(and I think he has truth in his statements later on). He's just comes off as condesending(although he isn't trying to be).

Anywho I agree with Easykill...who is ironically hard to kill...
 

Sir_Montague

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Greed, yearning for more... Always remember that humans get bored as well... Their motivations evolve with what they have I think...
 

searanox

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I think the fact that people find themselves dissatisfied even in excellent conditions proves the original poster wrong. It is human nature to complain, and if we have nothing legitimate to complain about, we find new things to ***** and argue over.
 

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Azeban post=18.75058.855525 said:
I've been thinking lately...are we humans simpler than we really pretend to be? We pretend that our motivations are more complex than they really are. But I think our motivations can be boiled down.

We want to be entertained, we want to be loved, we want to be warm, and we want to be full.

If we gave each human a comfy bed, a stable food supply, a great telly, and a decent looking significant other that makes interesting conversation and likes to cuddle, would anyone get out of that bed? (Recreation not counting, I realize that people like to play sports and videogames)
Yes and no

Yes we humans are more alike than we like to think

No I would get out of that bed. "We want to discover"

fluffylandmine post=18.75058.857131 said:
He's just comes off as condesending(although he isn't trying to be)
Woah o_O Then what is he trying to be?
 

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Sir_Montague post=18.75058.857147 said:
Greed, yearning for more... Always remember that humans get bored as well... Their motivations evolve with what they have I think...
Touche dear sir, I have to agree I can be happy doing anything but it's being stuck doing any ONE thing (and especially KNOWING I'm stuck there) that the one starting point for all my fears...to that point I'd even be bothered to get off my arse and tolorate humans instaed of just throwing things at the nearby ones. I'd have to do new things


p.s. It's never what you've got, it's what you're getting
 

Saevus

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Taxi Driver post=18.75058.857069 said:
Saevus post=18.75058.856995 said:
A person who has met all their needs is, by definition, satisfied. The question is moreso if someone can ever meet all their needs - and the answer is, probably, yes. There are probably a few people who are completely satisfied with and fully reconciled to their lives, however they went about it. The vast majority of people don't really know what their more ephemeral needs are, though, let alone how to meet them.

Existential motivations are, from my understanding, the result of our human faculties being confounded by the world; the 'Why?' questions. Instinct in the animal sense of 'Eat, drink, sleep, reproduce' is satisfied by knowing 'what' and 'how'. In a hurricane, an animal does not ask 'Why is this horrible event happening?', it just knows that it needs to get to safety and how to get that safety. An animal doesn't ponder 'Why am I here and what should I do?'; being there to propagate their species is enough.

Of course, there are a lot of very fine points concerning sapience and sentience that are controversial, to say the least, so that's really only a convenient analogy to demonstrate my hypothesis.

Existential motivations can be phrased simply to give an overview of a motivation. For example, the phenomena of science could be stated to have a few very broad needs:

1. To understand the world, as it does not make sense in its current state and thus threatens the basic understanding that an individual exists in (i.e. physics, biology, or meteorology).

2. To improve something, as it is not satisfactory or sufficient in its current state (i.e. any technological developments or sciences that impact the earth itself).

And there are, of course, quite likely more. I'm not a student of the philosophy of science, and the actual textbook examples either relate to more esoteric subjects or to controversial ones (no way I want to bring religion into this thread).

But while you've got those two basic motives, they can be pared down infinitely into motivations specific to one person at one time in their life. So, I guess the tl;dr is generally, yes; specifically, no.
What about a person who wants more than just what they need, or are we defining need as what is required to be content? So based on this, it is quite possible that existential needs are simply instinctual needs of a being with a greater capacity for thought?

Sorry if I'm missing the point.
'Needs' defined as 'things that we need to be fully satisfied'. With the exception of the basics for survival, then yes, most of then could be called 'wants'.

And if, by 'instinctual' you mean 'natural', then it'd be feasibly to call existential needs instinctual for sapient and sentient beings.

Taxi Driver post=18.75058.857194 said:
tobyornottoby post=18.75058.857170 said:
fluffylandmine post=18.75058.857131 said:
He's just comes off as condesending(although he isn't trying to be)
Woah o_O Then what is he trying to be?
Glorified?
Not trying to be anything; just being my usual irksome self.