Poll: I am so freaking ALTERNATIVE!

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tigermilk

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American independent cinema is a fascinating movement with a number of distinct aesthetic traits. To my mind it became all the more important with the death of post-classical Hollywood.

Marcuse's 'Aesthetic Dimension' and 'One Dimensional Man' and Adorno's writing on the "culture idustries" along with Barthes writing on semiotics in 'Mythologies' and Raymond Williams and Bourdieou's foundational writings on cultural value and power bring much to the discussion. Hebidge's on 'Style: The Meaning of Subculture' is perhaps the most interesting and accesible text on the subject of late 20th century identity, power and youth culture. Although no grounding in cultural studies would be complete without something by Stuart Hall.

The Scottish "indie" or "proto-indie" of the mid 80's to my mind is timeless, beautifully creating complete enclosed worlds to get lost in.

It is important discussions like this are had (as they are all so often on the escapist) because there might well be some new original insight amongst the ramblings beyond discourses of 'the personal is political' and 'memory work'.
 

LandoCristo

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I just don't like it when somebody says something along the lines of "I liked it before it was cool."
 

sms_117b

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Indy is just a subculture, I laugh at the kids that say they're non-cormormist indy boys, because they all wear and listen to thte exact same thing and so are conforming to a model!

Idiots, sheep, whatever. The way I see it you only go with a culture because you have no identity and are to affraid to be different.
 
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I'll sit back on my designated cultural norm and laugh at those that ever thought they were anything other than a product of their peer pressure.
 

Zeriah

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Hate it. Hate the music (honestly you've heard one you've heard them all plus very rarely do the songs impress me musically), hate the hipster douchebags who inhabit the 'culture', hate the clothing style, just everything about it. It especially pisses me off when they start acting like Indie Rock is actually a damn genre, they are all just Alternative rock bands who release their music independently. You really think it makes a difference how their songs are released? Plus I can't count the number of times I've heard people call x Alt Rock band Indie when they don't even release independently.
 

Baldry

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To not-conform is to conform in itself...So I just don't give a shit about anything, which may be conforming in it's own right but meh. When it comes to indie stuff it sure can be fun and so can the mainstream stuff so I'll just be here in the middle or not at all...I'd prefer the latter but by being in the latter I won't be soooo I'm gonna go play L4D2 and then probably some minecraft...bye guys!
 

StriderShinryu

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The Unworthy Gentleman said:
I can see this opinion being rather strong amongst The Escapist members; I am one of them. However, it's usually because the people decide they're going to be 'indie' that they become filled with their own self importance, rather than the culture making you like that.

It happens time and time again, there's a minority of people following a particular style and music taste that makes them different to everyone else, and therefore outcasts. People realise this and decide they like the idea of being outcasts and decide to 'subscribe' to it. Now being the outcasts, these people feel like they can look in on society and pick faults with it, feeling like they are more important than those following the norm at that time. More people realise this and decide that they like it so they 'subscribe' to being indie. Then the last few will realise it's cool to be wearing those clothes and listening to that music and join too. Now the people who joined early look down on everyone as people who just follow the crowd.
Some solid points here, and I agree with the sentiment, but I can't help to feel this could also be used to describe many I've seen here at The Escapist.
 

Dexiro

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The whole idea of "indie" being a culture is just stupid. Like everyone else is saying, they're just conforming to a different culture, there's nothing independant or individual about them.

The cultural group I belong to is called "normal people". I dress how I want and like the things I like, I'm not shaping my personality based on what other people like doing.
 

RatRace123

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I don't really know what indie is, apart from pretentious (ba-zing!)

I guess I'm somewhere in the mainstream, I like a few "alternative" things, well being a "hardcore" gamer puts me in an alternative culture right there.
So, maybe I'm in the middle.
 

mexicola

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You people just don't get it. Indie culture is so much better then you, you're only being jealous and irrational.
 

Totaltruth

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Betancore said:
Well if you mean the shitload of hipsters we get in Melbourne, then yeah, we seem to have an infestation of 'indie.
Infested is the perfect way to describe Melbourne's current indie/hipster problem.
This clip sums it all up pretty well in a post-post-ironic hipster kind of way ^^