Poll: If you could know your baby's sexual orientation...

[Lavi]

*snip*

I concur.

Choosing to be gay does not equate to choosing to be sexually active with people of the same sex.

I don't think homosexuality is a choice, and arguing that you can choose not to have sex with people of the same sex isn't exactly valid for the whole 'choice' issue.

Best argument ever, who cares whether it is a choice or not, shouldn't we all wish for the happiness of one another? Shouldn't we be able to be happy in both the romantic and sexual sense of a relationship? Thus, we don't even need to question whether it is a choice or not, but rather we can learn to love one another enough to wish happiness on all people no matter how they gain that (within the sense of reason, but I shouldn't even have to say that).

 

[Novandor]

To those people arguing that homosexuality isn't in the genes, I have two words: Twin Studies.

Do a little research before you proclaim your bigoted opinions, because they're wrong.
Though I suppose if you choose to be ignorant, go ahead.

OP: I'd leave my child as he/she is.

I didn't know about Twin Studies. Cool, thanks for mentioning that.

No problem. Twin studies are really interesting in general, and give some evidence as to many things that we're genetically predetermined to do. I remember reading about one where two identical twins were separated at birth and raised by different families, but both became firemen, both married women who had the same name, even named their dogs the same name.

Odd stuff indeed.

Yeah, that is weird. xD

 

[Novandor]

Wouldn't change them. At all.

Well, I MIGHT change them so they can be a Jedi...

I like that idea.

 

[Josdeb]

I would make him straight.

Why? Just because I feel it should be that way. I don't approve of Homosexuality, but as long as you aren't a flamer, you know, a "HEEEEYYYYYY GUUUUYYYSSS!" kind of gay, then I'm fine with you.

All Homosexuals who were offended by this post: Sorry.

I'm sure you'll find plenty of homosexuals who get pissed off by gay men who play into that stereotype too.

I am one of those gays. In the nicest way, I can't STAND the flamboyant types.

 

[Markness]

Yay, for the Escapist being open-minded!

Though, I was surprised that there are actually homosexuals who would change their child's orientation to gay (2 prick to be precise). That seems so hypocritical, to fight for the right to express your sexual feelings, but then force your child to become just like you. I can understand the sincerity in wanting a straight child to avoid the confusion, the hatred, and the depression, but I can't empathize as much with a homosexual forcing their child to be gay.

This is what I reckon:
1. Straights who change the baby to straight: Want their children to have an easier life also, relate to them easier.
2. Straights who change the baby to gay: I have no idea, can anyone think of a reason?
3. Gays who change the baby to straight:I guess they just want to relate to their children and would find it easier to get into their mindset.
4. Gays who change the baby to straight: Want their children to have an easier life.
5. Don't change the genes: Don't want to mess with nature/god or think it isn't an issue.

I voted 1. 5 doesn't make a lot of sense to me either unless you are motivated by religion but 2 is more baffling.

 

[Zealous]

It really depends. If the world is even more intolerant than now, and he/she is gay, I'd change it just to help the poor guy/girl out later on in life (discrimination, etc.). Other wise, I won't really care which sexual orientation any future kids of mine will have.

 

[chronobreak]

Homosexuality is not an action.

From Merriam-Webster:
1 : the quality or state of being homosexual
2 : erotic activity with another of the same sex

Erotic activity is most certainly an action.

 

[Ezekel]

Where is the option for the fact Homosexuality is a choice, not a matter genes.
EDIT: Ok perhaps it is genes, but people can overcome genes.

people can overcome being a hemophiliac??? DOWN SYNDROME IS OVERCOMABLE??? OH MY FUCKING GOD!

Diseases are very different from propensities. Some people are genetically predispositioned to alcoholism, or temper, or liking meat more than vegetables. A person can stop drinking alcohol, can learn to control their temper, or can become a vegetarian.

Diseases are not actions, homosexuality is an action. We have control over our actions, is it complete control? No, but saying that someone that is genetically predispositioned to something is incapable of overcoming it is not true.

wow...i really wasnt expecting that one o.o you win this round sir.

However, does the alcoholic HAVE to control his alcoholism? Does the tempermental person have to control his temper? Only when its detramental to other things. I can throw a temper tantrum while trying to drink myself to death, but if all i do is jump up and down on my own floor then proceeding to throw up on myself, is anyone going to care? i sure as hell hope not.

but i dont think thats what you were arguing, sorry. but feel free to proceed =D

What he failed miserably to point out, is there is a difference to overcoming something, and burying something deep in your psyche. I could stop being Bi right now and go out with only women... I would still have that hungering for a bit of a Manwich whenever when I see a male my mind has come to reference as my ideal build, but I will control it and fight it back. Humans cannot COMPLETELY overcome there instincts, but they can sure as hell repress them. If you don't believe me then just ask any catholic priest (Sorry, low blow joke, but I had too) The pedophilic tendancy people that have repressed their desire for children still have such desires, but they repress them deep, as the few cases with that catholic priest fiasco went to show us, some better then others.

If someone can completely demolish gay tendencies, then he obviously wasn't born gay. Basically, take a straight man, have him sleep with men to his disgust, and over time, he will force himself to become used to fucking a guy, BUT, his love for women will remain, no matter how buried in his psyche such desires will become, they will always be there.

I never said otherwise. I am not saying that having the desire or predisposition to do something is in itself wrong. I am merely stating that we have the ability to fight those desires, and many do. It is our actions that ultimately define who we are, and not our desires or tendencies.

I also never said that the desire or tendency would go away. To use the christian terminology that I am familiar with, it is a daily struggle against sin nature. I go through it and so do all other christians. To some extents most people do. How many people have said or done something they wished they hadn't, that they knew was wrong.

Christ does not offer condemnation, but forgiveness. Now with that forgiveness comes the idea of repentance, or the turning away from sin/evil/wrong. Nobody is perfect, nor is it attainable but that does not mean that you should not try.

Now most likely you do not agree with my definition of right and wrong. That is fine. I still believe that I am right, and I assume you take the same stance on your beliefs.

 

[Angerwing]

IF I was to change it, it would be because of inherent bigotry and stuff. Easier life for straight people. All that jazz.

But I wouldn't. If my son is gay, then he is gay. I wouldn't want to change him for any personal gain of mine. The boy can be gay.

 

[Lavi]

Where is the option for the fact Homosexuality is a choice, not a matter genes.
EDIT: Ok perhaps it is genes, but people can overcome genes.

people can overcome being a hemophiliac??? DOWN SYNDROME IS OVERCOMABLE??? OH MY FUCKING GOD!

Diseases are very different from propensities. Some people are genetically predispositioned to alcoholism, or temper, or liking meat more than vegetables. A person can stop drinking alcohol, can learn to control their temper, or can become a vegetarian.

Diseases are not actions, homosexuality is an action. We have control over our actions, is it complete control? No, but saying that someone that is genetically predispositioned to something is incapable of overcoming it is not true.

wow...i really wasnt expecting that one o.o you win this round sir.

However, does the alcoholic HAVE to control his alcoholism? Does the tempermental person have to control his temper? Only when its detramental to other things. I can throw a temper tantrum while trying to drink myself to death, but if all i do is jump up and down on my own floor then proceeding to throw up on myself, is anyone going to care? i sure as hell hope not.

but i dont think thats what you were arguing, sorry. but feel free to proceed =D

What he failed miserably to point out, is there is a difference to overcoming something, and burying something deep in your psyche. I could stop being Bi right now and go out with only women... I would still have that hungering for a bit of a Manwich whenever when I see a male my mind has come to reference as my ideal build, but I will control it and fight it back. Humans cannot COMPLETELY overcome there instincts, but they can sure as hell repress them. If you don't believe me then just ask any catholic priest (Sorry, low blow joke, but I had too) The pedophilic tendancy people that have repressed their desire for children still have such desires, but they repress them deep, as the few cases with that catholic priest fiasco went to show us, some better then others.

If someone can completely demolish gay tendencies, then he obviously wasn't born gay. Basically, take a straight man, have him sleep with men to his disgust, and over time, he will force himself to become used to fucking a guy, BUT, his love for women will remain, no matter how buried in his psyche such desires will become, they will always be there.

I never said otherwise. I am not saying that having the desire or predisposition to do something is in itself wrong. I am merely stating that we have the ability to fight those desires, and many do. It is our actions that ultimately define who we are, and not our desires or tendencies.

I also never said that the desire or tendency would go away. To use the christian terminology that I am familiar with, it is a daily struggle against sin nature. I go through it and so do all other christians. To some extents most people do. How many people have said or done something they wished they hadn't, that they knew was wrong.

Christ does not offer condemnation, but forgiveness. Now with that forgiveness comes the idea of repentance, or the turning away from sin/evil/wrong. Nobody is perfect, nor is it attainable but that does not mean that you should not try.

Now most likely you do not agree with my definition of right and wrong. That is fine. I still believe that I am right, and I assume you take the same stance on your beliefs.

This'll be short and sweet. If God loves us all, he will want us to be happy. If we are happy being gay, he will be glad.

 

[Kollega]

I'm straight as a Trans-Australian Railway,but i wouldn't change anything,because i'm not a bigot.

 

[Ezekel]

This'll be short and sweet. If God loves us all, he will want us to be happy. If we are happy being gay, he will be glad.

That assumes many things. Your view of God may be that simple, mine, and the understanding of God gained from the Bible is not.

God is, at least in the christian faith, a heavenly father. With that role come correction. He knows what is best for us, and is therefore allowed to say this is wrong and this is right. I could go more in depth into my theology but I won't.

 

[silent-treatment]

Personally i am tired of these stupid and pointless scientific studies. There are really important problems in this world that need the funding that these studies get, and need the manpower that these projects get, like say world hunger, the AIDS crisis around the world but especially in Africa, and global warming (if your into that kinda thing). What I am trying to say is who cares if there is a gene in the body that makes some guys like boobs, while some like dick. Lets just focus on making the future as good as we can FOR these children and stop focusing on their sexual orientation.

 

[iriemage]

I would make him straight.

Why? Just because I feel it should be that way. I don't approve of Homosexuality, but as long as you aren't a flamer, you know, a "HEEEEYYYYYY GUUUUYYYSSS!" kind of gay, then I'm fine with you.

All Homosexuals who were offended by this post: Sorry.

I'm sure you'll find plenty of homosexuals who get pissed off by gay men who play into that stereotype too.

I am one of those gays. In the nicest way, I can't STAND the flamboyant types.

Me and you both. Flamboyant gays make me uncomfortable, the sound of their voice, their personalities, ughh just everything. I like guys that look like guys. Anyway I voted for change my kid straight because it really sucks being gay growing up, especially in certain areas (Hawaii fml).

 

[Enzeru92]

i don't really care who my son/daughter likes as long as that bastard doesn't hurt them

 

[adledog]

I would make my kid straight only because its easier for someone to be straight in this world than it is to be gay, and no matter how much the level of hate for gay people drops it will still exist for a long time, like racism still exists in some places. if not for that i really wouldnt care. altho knowing would be nice to just not ever have to wonder=P