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shticks

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Spinning objects CAN wobble and recover if they hit an imperfection on the surface. (EDIT: Think Bey Blades)

As much as i loved Inception, the ending left much to be desired.

IMO the ending was the way it was to get you to reflect on the movie. And while the movie was Complicated and had some neat concepts....... the plot was pretty straight forward to me.

Which basically boiled the ending down to nothing more than whether he was awake/alive or asleep/dead (I think the two are interchangeable in this case). And since everything was more or less straight forward....... It becomes no more than a matter of opinion.

So what are you?... An optimist or a pessimist?
 

olendvcook

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Chunko said:
I double post fail.
now its 3 >.>

Chunko said:
The top was about to stop spinning. It was completely possible for him to wake up.

Also plothole? :

Why did they need to go through the layers of the dream. Waking them up from the last dream would logically wake them up from all of them.

If that was intentional and not a plothole then he definitely wasn't dreaming.
sometimes when you spin a top it isn't perfectly spinning right away it wobbles and then corrects like it could have after the footage ends This happens earlier on the sink but unfortunately falls off before it can correct itself or stop spinning so we never know then
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no, no i thought about that but it cant be a dream bc his totem fell earlier in the movie
which major mistakes as the totem stop spinning.
 

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A "Warning: Spoilers" would've been nice. Luckily, I saw the movie last night, so I'm alright.

Personally, I feel that:

The ending was left ambiguous because they realized that by showing the top falling or not falling, they would be making more people angry than happy. It's kind of like what happened at the end of Doomsday Arcade, in that a copout was the only way of not alienating people (regardless of the amount of people they upset; seriously, there was one big, unanimous moan in the theater I was in when the screen cut to black).
 

atombeast707

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HE WAS NEVER AWAKE! THE ENTIRE MOVIE TAKES PLACE IN LIMBO! THE SAME LIMBO MAL ESCAPED, AND HE THOUGHT WAS REALITY!

EDIT: here, concrete proof:
THIS IS VERY LONG, SO BE PREPARED
The idea of ?Inception? is to be a story crafted in the architecture of the mind ? Cobb?s mind. What people perceive to be real isn?t necessarily so, because the mind can make things appear to be as real as ever. An important thing to remember is the start of the film. Dom Cobb wakes up in a place that we later find out to be limbo ? more importantly, Saito?s limbo.

What happens next is something that is meaningless the first time a viewer watches the film. Saito is seen handling Cobb?s totem (which was a top that he took from Mal while in limbo). At first, this is meaningless. Upon a second viewing, the viewer should realize that everything that happens after this scene (the jump cut to Cobb?s attempt at extracting information from Saito, and so on) is something much deeper.

Saito promises to give Cobb the one thing that he wants, and that?s to find the way back home. How does he convince Cobb to do this? He tells him to ?take a leap of faith.? This is another line that goes unnoticed at first. On a second viewing, the viewer should remember that line as something that Mal told Cobb when she jumped off of the building. Is the picture becoming clearer yet?

Cobb seems to appear wherever he needs to go, whether it is Paris, or Mombasa, just like it were a dream. While in Mombasa, Cobb gets chased by anonymous agents (which he perceives to be Cobol agents) through a fantastic action sequence where Cobb escapes the dream-like narrow tunnel and is rescued by none other than Saito. A bit later, Cobb and Saito visit Yusef who brings them into a basement with various figures connected to the dream machine. The idea was for Cobb to experiment with the deep sedative. He does, and when he ?wakes up? he tries to use his totem only to be interrupted by Saito. Cobb never does find out if he is in the real world or not. In fact, he hasn?t been yet. He?s been in limbo ever since he got there with Mal. Ever since then, he?s been going deeper and deeper to the point where he created Saito as a projection to help him ?get back home? ? Did you really think Saito can just pick up the phone and make murder charges disappear? No. But, Cobb believes it and thus Saito is used to thrust Cobb further and further into a state of limbo ? where at the end of the journey, Cobb truly believes he is with his children after confronting and getting over his projection of Mal.

While in the limbo, Cobb, using Mal?s totem, put the idea in her head that she was in the dream world. She was, she just hadn?t realized it yet. What the viewer forgets is that all knowledge of limbo comes from Cobb?s character. To think that Cobb is 100% accurate about it is absolutely wrong. He wouldn?t know dream from reality ? not in the limbo that he describes to people ? and definitely not if inception were performed on him to believe that limbo truly was the real world.

Mal and Cobb never really left limbo ? at least, not that layer of it. When Mal jumped off the building, she gave herself the very same ?kick? that Ariadne improvised later on in the movie. Mal was right about still being in the dream world. Cobb was still engulfed in limbo and didn?t realize it. Cobb believed that if you die in limbo once the sedative wore off, you would simply wake up in the real world. That may be true, but it only happens if the sedative wore off. When Cobb and Mal had killed themselves with the train, the sedative was not worn off yet and they simply moved one layer deeper (this happens again at the end of the film when Saito picks up the gun in front of Cobb).

Cobb, deep in limbo, unknowingly uses the projections of his team to keep going deeper and deeper until the idea of inception is performed on his mind, and he truly believes he was able to find a way back home. Saito?s promise to Cobb was kept - in the form of Saito (a projection from Cobb) making sure that Cobb ended up in limbo, so that he could live his "life" with his kids (who are still wearing the same clothing as they did throughout the film).

The team were projections in Cobb?s mind the entire time. It?s how he was able to go to Miles in Paris and find an architect named Ariadne (a name which comes from a Greek mythology story about a labyrinth) who improvised the ?kick? at the end of the movie the same way that Cobb had seen (but not accepted as a dream) Mal do previously when she jumped off the building. It?s how Eames happened to know of Yusef, and so on and so forth. Everything Cobb needed to make this inception work happened to work out for him. It?s even how Cobb?s lawyer knew so quickly that Mal had gone to 3 different shrinks to be declared ?sane? and how he happened to have two tickets for Cobb to be able to get out of the country before the police would have arrested him.

The movie ends with Cobb appearing from place to place, going from limbo with Saito, to the plane where Saito magically makes one phone call to free Cobb from his problems, to walking through the airport, to meeting Miles who is with Cobb?s children. Cobb spins his totem and it spins just like it was a dream. He fixes his eyes on his children and the totem begins to lose speed ? this is because inception has worked ? Cobb truly believes he is in the real world. His totem will not spin like it did in the dream, not as long as he has his kids. The title of the film is now shown to us, making complete sense because the title was really Cobb?s journey through his own mind: INCEPTION
 

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None of these fit what I feel. I feel taht, sure, he's in the dream, but damn, i wanted him to be out of the dream SO BAD! Perhaps they manage to suck him back to life someday. Yeah, I'll just pretend that in a film they will never make that he had people come into his level and convince him to come back to life.
 

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major28 said:
Dexiro said:
They'll probably pull a dickmove and say the entire film was a dream. It makes my brain hurt D:
no, no i thought about that but it cant be a dream bc his totem fell earlier in the movie
Maybe it fell because he was so convinced it was real.
 

S.R.S.

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We're going to have to ask the man himself what it really is. Don't we?

the totem loses its ability to tell real world from dream world because it originally belonged to mal and cobb touched it.
Cobb is in limbo but believes he is in the real world because the totem has an opposite effect without him knowing.

The entire storyline was a dream set up by Michael Caine to convince Cobb to get over his wife

Specifically, in Caine's initial lines of dialogue, he uses something like "Come back to reality," and
"You want me to allow someone else to follow you into your fantasy." But, he still seems willing to provide someone.

if nolan hadn't left so much room for viewers' interpretation then it wouldn't be such a huge blockbuster.
everyone can talk about the possibilities for hours upon hours. notice how you immediately wanted to rewatch it after you left the theatre?
coincidence or nolan cashing in?

The point of inception is to place ideas in your head



ANYWAY. It.. doesn't really matter whether it's all a dream or not, does it? Cobb got what he wanted.

Also watch videos on youtube of the spinning top. It wobbles wildly, steadies then falls over.
If it wasn't for Toy Story 3, Inception would be my movie of the year.
 

SeriousSquirrel

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Made a thread 'bout this earlier. He's awake. In his dreams he's wearing a wedding ring, he's not in real life. At the end he's not wearing a wedding ring

Could be wrong, but I'm pretty damn sure
 

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The ending is purposely ambiguous. It's meant to keep you wondering.

Remember the entire movie COULD, potentially, be a dream. Remember what they say that "in a dream you never know how you got somewhere, you're just there"? The entire movie is LIKE THAT. At the end the spinning top starts spinning out of control... But never actually stops before the camera cuts out.

It's impossible to tell whether it's a dream of not based solely on the movie, which is why it's so interesting.

Up to you.
 

Vrex360

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I think he woke up, the totem was spinning in a way that looked like it was about to topple over. Plus, everyone else woke up okay or at least seemed too, still it certainly looked like he could still be dreaming.

Also, you are lucky that I saw the movie before I found this poll otherwise you would have spoiled the story for me and that would make me cry.
 

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Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
Blueruler182 said:
Granted, with omniscience--

He could have dreamed himself waking up on the plane and going home, but it seems like there's no point. He could actually wake up and go home, the previous version of limbo just seemed to be another dream within that dream, so it would make sense that he would have just appeared with his kids if he were dreaming. Because if he chose the dream world over the real world he would have the ability to alter whatever he wished, like he and his wife did in the first form of limbo. So common sense would dictate that he didn't stay in the dream, though I still find the ending to be a dick move.
OK, I know how pretentious this sounds, but you kind of missed the point.

EDIT: I'm too lazy to quote, but the post right below yours and directly above this one sums it up pretty well.
Yes, I understood that, but it just seemed pretentious. I got the message, it just seemed... I don't know, either overdone... redundant... Maybe it's just the way I think, but the fact that--

Our own reality might not actually be real

isn't exactly a new concept for me. At this point I'm more interested in closure than that kind of philosophy. Good movie, though.
 

Omega V

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first of all, spoiler alert please

second, as I understand it, it is explicitly mentioned that the maximum number of dream layers that can exist simultaneously is limited by the quality of the sedative used. The very best sedative in the world can produce three layers+ limbo. Assuming this is true, since all three layers+ limbo are seen towards the end of the movie it almost completely rules out the possibily of Cobb still being in a dream world. For example, if Cobb had been if the dream world since he was in limbo with his wife, then it would require at least 5 layers+ limbo, well beyond the capabilities of any sedative.( of course he could of just dreamed that the sedative has any impact on the maximum number of dream layers, however, there is no evidence that the dream world can trick someone into believing something that he would know to be a blatant falsification )
If Cobb had been dreaming since the scene where he meets the chemist, then it would still require at least 4 layers+ limbo, still beyond the capabilities of the sedative