Poll: Internet Allegations, Toby Turner and SuperPsyGuy

[Elvis Starburst]

I don't know if I've been living under a very small rock, but there seems to be a sudden rise of content creators and artists being accused of some very heinous things. A most recent example being only a month old are the accusations made against Tobuscus (Toby Turner) by AprilEfff (April Turner) that talked about drug, rape, verbal and mental abuse for several years of her life. This of course is a pretty serious matter. One that I'm surprised hasn't seen follow up anywhere recently.

Another one that's been a bit older, but is still gaining traction with some folk are the accusations against SuperPsyGuy (Of GG-Guys fame). These accusations involve mental and sexual exploitation, coercion for sexual favours, and all else. A simple Google search for him pulls up tons of Tumblr archives, with most if not all of them involving pedophile allegations. JESUS.

I'm sure I'm missing plenty of other examples, but these are the two I've been following the most closely. What surprises me is that these sorts of things happen to begin with. You'd never expect someone you once watched/read their content to actually be capable of such things. Of course, I'm not saying these allegations are true on either side. The truth will hopefully come to light eventually. it's all rather surprising stuff, and is really quite saddening.

This is of course the internet. Things like this could be a complete lie, made up by people to get at someone they dislike, or someone that hurt them. It's a bit harder to believe in the SuperPsyGuy case, having over a dozen people all come out to say the same thing from other verified artists (Though this could easily be falsified as well).

I'm sure you folk could give plenty of other examples of this sort of madness. So go ahead if you'd like. If you're wondering about the purpose of this thread, it's to bring attention to this sort of accusations against popular content creators. Do you believe they're real? Could it really just be a cry for internet fame? Let's try and be civil with this one as we get into it

 

[Scarim Coral]

I remember several months ago, I decided to unfollow this person on tumblr (I forgot his name, it had "awe" in it and I think he had a webcomic or something similar) cos his ex gf called him out for being a psychotic boyfriend.

I can't remember the exact details but she mention about he watched her alseep and he was controlling and manipulating her. He also got really angry easily. Sure it was pretty much one sided argument but meh whatever, I didn't cared to dwell into the details at who is telling the true but her case seen convencing so I unfollow the guy.

EDIT- Ah I remember now! It's AWD Place! http://awdplace.tumblr.com/

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Now, in regards to these particular cases, I am in no way saying they did or did not do any of the allegations, as I am not close enough to any of these people to be able to form an opinion about that. I will however, share my experience with the subject of Rape, abuse, and sexual assault and the " type" of people who frequently have done these things. Although there are a great number of personality types that have done and do these things currently, my personal experience and that of my best friend and my cousin were all very similar type of guy. The men who raped us were attractive, popular, " charming", well liked personalities. They " thought" they could have any woman they wanted and were entitled to do as they please. These types of personalities are often the life of the party, captain of the football team, class president. They often do not think a female has a right to say no to them and deserve whatever they get for thinking they could possibly refuse them.

The man who raped me as a kid was 24, very wealthy, his home looked like a castle, he was attractive and very well liked in the community. I had never spoken to him prior to the attack. I had seen him staring me on multiple occasions and he was related to a friend of mine. He knew I had been going to my friends home after school to play video games during the week and waited for me to start walking home and knew my route. He was waiting for me along my path home and grabbed me and dragged me off into a wooded area. He is the type of guy that people when speaking to him would have never thought him capable of such things.

Sadly, that was not even the last time a guy tried to rape me before even growing up, it happened again later by a friend of a friend in high school held me down and got on top of me until luckily someone came into the room and I was able to get away. He too was an attractive well liked guy. One of My ex boyfriends had really great "so-called" friends. 2 brothers who actually managed to get one of my ankles and wrists handcuffed before I was able to fight them off and get out of their house and luckily one of their neighbors saw me being chased by them with the cuffs dangling from my wrist and ankle and intervened and got them in trouble with their parents. Then there was his "friend" who called him up and asked him to come over to his apartment. When my boyfriend went over there, his friend told him to wait there, he would be right back. Then that guy came over to my apartment right down from him to attack me and if it had not been for another friend opening my door at just the right moment, I could not have gotten him out the door as he was holding my wrists and was much larger and stronger than me. Him being surprised by the door is how I got my hands area and punched him as hard as I could in the chest making him off balance then charged at him and pushed him and didn't stop pushing him until he was out the door. Then there were the two men in a truck while I was walking along the road that grabbed me and tried to pull me into their truck and idk what would have happened to me if I hadn't gotten away from them, but I wouldn't know what type of person they were because I had never seen those guys before. There were countless other events that were less severe where I didn't have to flee for my life or fight them in a life and death situation but that is so common, I do not even consider those boob and ass grabbing , unwanted kissing and licking, or men hugging, spanking, pressing up against me or lifting me in the air to be worth mentioning.

Of course these were just some the guys I never dated that were awful. Then there was the guy who tried to kill me in my sleep with a phone cord and then tried to kill me again after he got out of jail for the first attempt and then went back to jail for stabbing my neighbor when he tried to break into my window because he had a dream where I left him and he had to make sure that could never happen.. He was the captain of the football team in high school and the entire town I grew up in worshiped him. Then there was the singer from a metal band that chased me around a car on one of those lovely "my friend and her bf were going out and she wanted me to meet his "friend"" things and then she and her Bf leave us alone in the car for a few minutes and Mr. lizard tongue jumped on top of me holding me down licking me and I tried to push him off me and finally managed to fall out of the car and scrambled to keep the car in between us to keep him a way until they came back or the guy who just picked me up over his shoulder like a cave man and carried me to his apartment without my consent that I had to escape out the window and go down the balcony to get away from.. Yea.. You know when people say these things are a" non issue" I really think what world do they live in that THIS isn't a problem..

The worst ones are the ones who think that just because a girl is horny that means they have consent to have sex with her, because you know girls are not allowed to make decisions for themselves and decide what they want to do or have done to their own bodies. UGH

 

[Phasmal]

Surprisingly, the kind of 'internet fame' that you get for accusing a popular guy of a sex crime isn't the kind anyone would actively seek out.

I tend to believe the people making the accusations. As much as the Escapist has a fixation on false charges, they're not very common. And I think it's naive to expect that just because someone is enjoyable or nice in one area, that they're unlikely or not capable of doing horrible things. My ex boyfriend was a well-liked guy who in public acted completely devoted to me, behind closed doors he was extremely manipulative and controlling. These people are relying on the 'He doesn't seem the kind of guy to do that' reaction.

But yeah given this forum's... well... oh come on you know how this thread is going to go. I don't even need to say it.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

Jesus snipping christ

That's an insane amount of times that's happened O3o I know this might be stereotyping, but were/are you in the type of country or place that'd have that issue be rampant? If it's not my business, just ignore me

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Surprisingly, the kind of 'internet fame' that you get for accusing a popular guy of a sex crime isn't the kind anyone would actively seek out.

I tend to believe the people making the accusations. As much as the Escapist has a fixation on false charges, they're not very common. And I think it's naive to expect that just because someone is enjoyable or nice in one area, that they're unlikely or not capable of doing horrible things. My ex boyfriend was a well-liked guy who in public acted completely devoted to me, behind closed doors he was extremely manipulative and controlling. These people are relying on the 'He doesn't seem the kind of guy to do that' reaction.

But yeah given this forum's... well... oh come on you know how this thread is going to go. I don't even need to say it.

'He doesn't seem the kind of guy to do that'
It is funny how it IS the more popular guys who are exactly the kind of guy to do that. The guy who is more likely to have more people defend him and the more dangerous it is for the girl to speak up about what happened to her. I honestly do not think most guys can understand what life is actually like for women and girls who speak up about these things, the abuse they endure, or the stigmas placed on them. If a girl reports being raped or sexually assaulted or even allows people in her community to find out, she is probably better off moving even possibly changing her name if it is bad enough. No one wants to date " rape girl" because of course she will accuse every guy she has sex with of raping her. " Rape girl" has too much baggage and cannot possibly ever enjoy sex. No one should hire " Rape girl" because she brings drama wherever she goes..

Some guys have some seriously messed up ideas about women being lying manipulative drama queen gold digging attention whores when women for the most part just want to go about their lives without having that crap imposed upon them. When a woman is raped, not only does she have to live with what happened to her, she often worries about if the man gave her some disease, got her pregnant, as a result of that rape but ALSO has to suddenly have the stigmas of being branded " rape girl" and everyone questioning her honesty, honor, sex drive, sex life, naivety, responsibility, ability to form relationships, ethics, competency, and value as a human being. When if the guy that raped her had never chose to rape her, none of this would have been imposed upon her and her life would have gone on as usual. THAT is why so many rapes and sexual assaults are not reported, because to be able to have life go on as it was before the man chose to do this is all women want to have happen, and if people find out, that cannot happen. Most do not want to be some super hero, they just want their life back to normal and not allow the criminal who did these things to take even more from them than they already have.

It is far more dangerous for women to report these things than to never mention it again. Until that changes, I do not see how rape, abuse or assault will change because of the men who do these things know how horrible it is for a woman to tell someone this happened and know it is extremely unlikely they will ever have to pay consequences for doing so.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Jesus snipping christ

That's an insane amount of times that's happened O3o I know this might be stereotyping, but were/are you in the type of country or place that'd have that issue be rampant? If it's not my business, just ignore me

Wealthiest county per sq ft in the state of Texas, USA. There are more billionaires in this immediate area than the entire rest of the state, which Texas ranks the 3rd highest population of Billionaires in the US. Yes, that is exactly the type of country or place where this is rampant.

 

[infohippie]

Jesus snipping christ

That's an insane amount of times that's happened O3o I know this might be stereotyping, but were/are you in the type of country or place that'd have that issue be rampant? If it's not my business, just ignore me

Wealthiest county per sq ft in the state of Texas, USA. There are more billionaires in this immediate area than the entire rest of the state, which Texas ranks the 3rd highest population of Billionaires in the US. Yes, that is exactly the type of country or place where this is rampant.

Now this I can believe. A huge concentration of privilege and entitlement like that, I would easily believe they would feel they could act as they please and take what they want. Children of rich families always seem to believe that laws (and general decent behaviour) are for other people.

 

[Phasmal]

'He doesn't seem the kind of guy to do that'
It is funny how it IS the more popular guys who are exactly the kind of guy to do that. The guy who is more likely to have more people defend him and the more dangerous it is for the girl to speak up about what happened to her. I honestly do not think most guys can understand what life is actually like for women and girls who speak up about these things, the abuse they endure, or the stigmas placed on them. If a girl reports being raped or sexually assaulted or even allows people in her community to find out, she is probably better off moving even possibly changing her name if it is bad enough. No one wants to date " rape girl" because of course she will accuse every guy she has sex with of raping her. " Rape girl" has too much baggage and cannot possibly ever enjoy sex. No one should hire " Rape girl" because she brings drama wherever she goes..

Some guys have some seriously messed up ideas about women being lying manipulative drama queen gold digging attention whores when women for the most part just want to go about their lives without having that crap imposed upon them. When a woman is raped, not only does she have to live with what happened to her, she often worries about if the man gave her some disease, got her pregnant, as a result of that rape but ALSO has to suddenly have the stigmas of being branded " rape girl" and everyone questioning her honesty, honor, sex drive, sex life, naivety, responsibility, ability to form relationships, ethics, competency, and value as a human being. When if the guy that raped her had never chose to rape her, none of this would have been imposed upon her and her life would have gone on as usual. THAT is why so many rapes and sexual assaults are not reported, because to be able to have life go on as it was before the man chose to do this is all women want to have happen, and if people find out, that cannot happen. Most do not want to be some super hero, they just want their life back to normal and not allow the criminal who did these things to take even more from them than they already have.

It is far more dangerous for women to report these things than to never mention it again. Until that changes, I do not see how rape, abuse or assault will change because of the men who do these things know how horrible it is for a woman to tell someone this happened and know it is extremely unlikely they will ever have to pay consequences for doing so.

I do wonder if some of these people's popularity and success is exactly what makes them feel like they are entitled to a woman's time/attention/body. It's disappointing that so many guys are willing to believe that women are just lying in wait to accuse men of rape. Rape accusations are nobody's idea of a good time. With how victims are treated by the media and society, I'm surprised anyone has the belief that they want 'attention'. You're right, most women just want to put their heads down and carry on with their lives.

When you said that a lot of guys don't understand what life is like for women who speak up, it got me thinking. A lot of guys don't understand what life is like for women at all, having to plan for your safety more than a guy would.

 

[Wrex Brogan]

...Well, there was the James Deen deal (not the singer, the porn star) who got accused of raping and sexually assaulting other porn stars/partners. Something like 10 people came forward over it, and it caused some discussions (both the serious kind and the horribly disgusting kind) over consent in the pornographic industry and problematic attitudes in porn (one of the accusations involved how the crew of the film congratulated Deen for 'getting a scene upgrade' despite the actress repeatedly telling him to stop).

And like, James Deen was considered the 'Boy Next Door' of Porn and actually had a number of feminist blogs he contributed to, and was heralded for the fact that in scenes he does with amateur performers he's really understanding and respectful of their boundaries. Needless to say every one of those blogs dropped him as soon as the accusations came out, since it's... pretty fucked up.

That coupled with the... fuck, hundreds of stories I've heard from women over the years about abusive partners and how people have responded to their stories of sexual assault and rape... I always believe the accuser. There's just too many, too much and they're all so consistent in what they're describing that I can't do any less. Given all the factors that can stop people from coming forward with these stories, it's just... what gain is there in telling them 'no, you're a liar?'

Surprisingly, the kind of 'internet fame' that you get for accusing a popular guy of a sex crime isn't the kind anyone would actively seek out.

I tend to believe the people making the accusations. As much as the Escapist has a fixation on false charges, they're not very common. And I think it's naive to expect that just because someone is enjoyable or nice in one area, that they're unlikely or not capable of doing horrible things. My ex boyfriend was a well-liked guy who in public acted completely devoted to me, behind closed doors he was extremely manipulative and controlling. These people are relying on the 'He doesn't seem the kind of guy to do that' reaction.

I've only ever heard of one false accusation story, and that involved my partner's brother - his Ex accused him of sexual assault while they were splitting up. End result?

Literally nothing happened. When it was brought up in the legal discussions both legal teams looked at it and went 'nah that's bullshit'. Nobody thought less of his brother, nothing negative went down with his career... it was just ignored. Dropped. Considered just another attempt to hurt him (she'd done a number of things before, such as kidnapping his daughter without legal repercussion - but that's something for another thread) that failed.

I'm not going to say 'false accusations never hurt people' since given the sheer size and volume of these things such a generalization wouldn't work (and my partner's brother had a bunch of evidence in his favour), but from personal experience in regards to the number of false accusations and the number of true accusations... yeah.

And honestly at this point whenever someone goes 'oh, he didn't seem the type' then I immediately go 'then he definitely did it'. If anything 'he didn't seem the type' now feels like the 'type' for this kind of horrible thing instead of the kind of person people typically think of when this shit comes up.

But yeah given this forum's... well... oh come on you know how this thread is going to go. I don't even need to say it.

Yes, but it's nice to dream. Maybe this will be the lucky thread?

...or at least lucky 2 pages? Look I'll take what I can get when it comes to topics like this.

 

[Drops a Sweet Katana]

Considering Tobucus had a role in that shitty Law and Order SVU episode about gamer ISIS raping basically every woman, I can't help but laugh just a little bit. Sell out your audience as a bunch of rapists, only to be accused of being one later down the line. Fucking. Poetry.

 

[Zhukov]

I saw the allegations regarding Toby Turner a couple of weeks ago.

Obviously I can't know for sure if they're true. However, I'm inclined to believe them. Mostly because of the complete lack of self-aggrandizement. The person writing the allegations didn't make herself out to be some bold survivor or unlucky victim. But rather, a weak and pathetically dependent person ashamed to have been trapped in an extremely unhealthy relationship with a thoroughly fucked up mess of a man.

Maybe that's a weird reason to believe someone. I dunno. But it rings true to me, in the most messed up way.

I'm certainly strongly disinclined to touch anything with Toby Turner's name anywhere near it.

Never heard of the other guy.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

'He doesn't seem the kind of guy to do that'
It is funny how it IS the more popular guys who are exactly the kind of guy to do that. The guy who is more likely to have more people defend him and the more dangerous it is for the girl to speak up about what happened to her. I honestly do not think most guys can understand what life is actually like for women and girls who speak up about these things, the abuse they endure, or the stigmas placed on them. If a girl reports being raped or sexually assaulted or even allows people in her community to find out, she is probably better off moving even possibly changing her name if it is bad enough. No one wants to date " rape girl" because of course she will accuse every guy she has sex with of raping her. " Rape girl" has too much baggage and cannot possibly ever enjoy sex. No one should hire " Rape girl" because she brings drama wherever she goes..

Some guys have some seriously messed up ideas about women being lying manipulative drama queen gold digging attention whores when women for the most part just want to go about their lives without having that crap imposed upon them. When a woman is raped, not only does she have to live with what happened to her, she often worries about if the man gave her some disease, got her pregnant, as a result of that rape but ALSO has to suddenly have the stigmas of being branded " rape girl" and everyone questioning her honesty, honor, sex drive, sex life, naivety, responsibility, ability to form relationships, ethics, competency, and value as a human being. When if the guy that raped her had never chose to rape her, none of this would have been imposed upon her and her life would have gone on as usual. THAT is why so many rapes and sexual assaults are not reported, because to be able to have life go on as it was before the man chose to do this is all women want to have happen, and if people find out, that cannot happen. Most do not want to be some super hero, they just want their life back to normal and not allow the criminal who did these things to take even more from them than they already have.

It is far more dangerous for women to report these things than to never mention it again. Until that changes, I do not see how rape, abuse or assault will change because of the men who do these things know how horrible it is for a woman to tell someone this happened and know it is extremely unlikely they will ever have to pay consequences for doing so.

I do wonder if some of these people's popularity and success is exactly what makes them feel like they are entitled to a woman's time/attention/body. It's disappointing that so many guys are willing to believe that women are just lying in wait to accuse men of rape. Rape accusations are nobody's idea of a good time. With how victims are treated by the media and society, I'm surprised anyone has the belief that they want 'attention'. You're right, most women just want to put their heads down and carry on with their lives.

When you said that a lot of guys don't understand what life is like for women who speak up, it got me thinking. A lot of guys don't understand what life is like for women at all, having to plan for your safety more than a guy would.

Although there are different types of rapist and different reasons they rape, there are rapists that are essentially "power tripping". Rape is often about having power over another person, to make another feel "subject" to them or ruled over by them. Like "How dare they think they had no power over them?" They often rape those that are not impressed by them to "prove" they do. I do think their perceived "social status" often goes to their head and fosters an idea of entitlement.

I agree on male perspective vs female perspective. I do not think most guys can understand what women actually go through on a daily basis, and their perception of such is usually very very off from reality.

Even in what you consider " safe areas" where you think people cannot really harm you like in an online game, you still have things happen that do not happen if they think you are male. In games when females play a male character to not let anyone know they are female, there is a sense of security/ safety you do not have when people know you are female and you are not targeted just for being there anywhere near as bad as when they know you are a girl.