Poll: Internet Munchausen syndrome.

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ajemas

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For those who don't know, Munchausen syndrome [http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/factitious_disorders/hic_munchausen_syndrome.aspx] is a factitious disorder characterized by the faking of illness symptoms for attention. This can include things like tampering with urine samples to produce positive results and faking symptoms of various diseases. Some sufferers also take it one step further and actually hurt themselves on purpose. There is also something called Munchausen by proxy, where somebody gives illness symptoms to somebody close to themselves. The end goal in all of this is to get attention.
This is different from hypochondria, because while the hypochondriac actually believes that they are ill, the person with Munchausen knows that they are fine, but wants the attention associated with illness anyway.

Getting to the main point, apparently there is such a thing as Munchausen by internet syndrome. The consequences for faking illness for attention are much greater in the real world than on the internet. You could lose your job, your friends, and the respect of others if you are caught faking an illness. But online, you can say whatever you want to and people will accept it and give you attention. It is easy to say that you were raped, or that your family was killed, or that you have a terminal disease, and people will give you the attention that you want. After all, they can't exactly track you down and confirm if what you are saying is true. (Well, somebody could if they really wanted to, but that's quite difficult.)

Apparently, experts say that this is a real thing [http://www.selfhelpmagazine.com/article/munchausen-by] and that it should be treated like a legitimate disease.
So what does The Escapist think about all of this? Does making stuff up to get sympathy online mean that you have an actual disorder, or does that just make you a jackass?

NOTE:
I have seen at least one instance of this kind of behavior on these forums. This tread should not contain any discussion about people in this community who show Munchausen symptoms. Feel free to talk in a general way about things that you might have seen, but please don't include any examples from this forum, and if you must, please don't give any specifics.


Edit: I just realized that I forgot to give my own opinion on the matter. Well, I personally suffer from OCD, and I understand that it can be hard to resist certain urges. However, I'm not sure that there is a definite biological cause behind this specific subcategory of Munchausen. Aftr all, they are not desperate enough for attention that they do this kind of behavior in real life, so they might just be dicks. But I simply don't have enough information about the disorder, so I'm leaving it as a "maybe".
 

Wardnath

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It just makes you a jackass.

I hate that syndrome. Hate it with a burning passion.
 

SimuLord

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Internet Munchausen Syndrome isn't a condition on its own. It's a symptom of a greater condition: Internet Fuckwad Disease.
 

PeppersResort

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Jackass. Loser, selfish, immature jackass. Also, it smacks of the kind of weakness lack of real life consequence brings, and speaks of a crushing but not less annoying lack of feelings of self-worth. I think the internet and western society in general overindulges the individual, causing them to act like spoiled, damaged children.
 

chozo_hybrid

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SimuLord said:
Internet Munchausen Syndrome isn't a condition on its own. It's a symptom of a greater condition: Internet Fuckwad Disease.
A million times this.
 

zHellas

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SimuLord said:
Internet Munchausen Syndrome isn't a condition on its own. It's a symptom of a greater condition: Internet Fuckwad Disease.
Nooo... IMS sounds more like Hypochondria.
 

SmartIdiot

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I know I've already done this today but...
SimuLord said:
Internet Munchausen Syndrome isn't a condition on its own. It's a symptom of a greater condition: Internet Fuckwad Disease.
Right here, we got a winner.
 

ajemas

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Swollen Goat said:
My (ex) mother-in-law has Munchausen's. Of course, every time a doctor tells her that, she calls him a quack and she stops seeing him. But whenever the spotlight fades from her, she'll throw herself down some stairs or shove some glass into her foot. I don't miss it one bit.
Wow, so she actually threw herself down a flight of stairs? That must have been very hard to deal with. Did you try and get her any help, or did she refuse to accept that she had a problem?
 

PeppersResort

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Down a flight of stairs? My answer for people who threaten or do hurt themselves for attention is, "You want to get hurt? I can do that to you for free."
 

Unesh52

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capin Rob said:
It is a mental disorder, so yes.
I have to wonder what separates "mental disorder" from "fuckwad." I think it's whether or not they can help it, where people with disorders can't, fuckwads can. The implication is that people with disorders can't be blamed for their actions and are "suffering" as much as anyone else because of it. So, can we blame people who do this for their actions?

Can you say having a "compulsion" to do it makes you mentally ill?

Does the effectiveness of medication give credence to the idea that it is a disorder?

I know a guy who, among other things, exaggerates his bad home life to justify his social awkwardness (which he calls his "individuality"), but should I empathize with him because he's suffering a mental illness or should I call him a creep and get on with my day? Maybe it's not the same thing, but I was forced to think about this when my brother was being tested for ADHD. For years I just called him a self-absorbed dipshit and thought nothing about it. And now you're telling me his negative behavior is not his fault? Oh, well I'm SO sorry, I guess I'll spend all my time with the annoying little prick to show him he's still valuable.

Conclusion: Maybe it is a disorder, insofar as it needs a bit of help to be overcome properly, but that shouldn't change the way we treat these people. They are annoying, so fuck 'em, simple as that. Society's rejection of their behavior should be the impetus to make them seek help, without it, you're just being an enabler.

Don't know if anyone's with me on this.
 

Johanthemonster666

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LOL

I faked having the flu and actually ended up with a high fever with an hour.
I honestly think that if you truly believe you're ill or you're trying to fake an illness, your body will sometimes produce symtoms or the actual condition itself.
(Mind over matter lol)

If this truly is a disease, than I had it from elementary school to the end of my senior year in high school xD
 

Yureina

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I don't think so. People doing that on the internet is just some people who are extremely desperate for attention and, because they lack talent or exceptional qualities, are unable to attain that attention through any other means by being overly dramatic. Those people disgust me.
 

vanalla

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No, it can not be called a disease. but if they just mean "to prove you meet the requirements to do something on the internet that has nothing to do with the real world" then that's a bit too far. when I was 8 I made a Runescape account even though Jagex said you have to be 13. does this mean I have IMS? No. What if I embellish a little bit on a forum and say that I did stunt doubles for Daniel Craig in James Bond? No. I'm still not mentally ill.

My conclusion is that everyone has lied about something on the internet, because that's what is so attractive about it. You are anonymous, and people are desensitized to a point that they don't really care if you say your family was murdered. So no. It's not an illness.

Off topic: I'm thinking that scientists are being over funded nowadays, as I saw in the news how a recent study performed by top scientists reveals that swearing can relieve pain. Honestly, shouldn't they be researching how to make battery life longer so we can have electric cars?

I know, I know. tl;dr
 

Ryuo

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SimuLord said:
Internet Munchausen Syndrome isn't a condition on its own. It's a symptom of a greater condition: Internet Fuckwad Disease.
Add forth tally to this.
 

child of lileth

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It means that they are desperate for attention.

I'll never forget the guy about 8 years ago that faked his suicide on another forum. People kept making all these avatars in memory of his bullshit, and acting like he was the greatest person ever. And then 3 days later, he was stupid enough to log-in and post in the forums. People that knew him in real life confirmed he was just faking it. He admitted it was all for attention soon after.

I can't stand people like that.
 

Davic

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As harsh as this may sound, to me it doesn't matter; a person who exhibits this behaviour is not someone I respect. Whether or not it's a disease doesn't change that it's not OK.

My brother has autism. Although it isn't fair to treat him like he's not human, it doesn't make it OK for him to steal because he can't empathise with the person he stole from. In the same way, it isn't OK for a person who hasn't been raped to claim they have, and cheapen and invalidate accounts of genuine victims.

I am not a psychologist, so I don't know whether or not this is a disease, but if someone can be helped to avoid this behaviour (i.e. be treated), then ultimately that's a good thing. Psychology is a real and important field that helps humanity just as any science does, but the media don't often distinguish between "Prevailing psychological opinion is that..." and "This one psychologist totally thinks that..."

In short, I don't know: the answer matters to psychologists and "sufferers", but not to me.
 

SimuLord

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vanalla said:
Off topic: I'm thinking that scientists are being over funded nowadays, as I saw in the news how a recent study performed by top scientists reveals that swearing can relieve pain.
Dude, that was on Mythbusters.
 

ReckzB

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Davic said:
As harsh as this may sound, to me it doesn't matter; a person who exhibits this behaviour is not someone I respect. Whether or not it's a disease doesn't change that it's not OK.
I'm going to go ahead and agree with you 100% on this one. And this doesn't just apply to this particular *ahem* syndrome, but I won't go into that right now. The internet has great potential to turn people into pathological liars because - as has been said - the anonymity is too delicious to pass up.

Sometimes I just think that various alleged 'syndromes' and 'diseases' seem like ridiculous ways to say 'this person is a moron, but try to be nice to them'.