Poll: Is 40K serious?

[Soviet Steve]

[quote="Nomine88" post="9.318116.12959676"
I am curious as to whether you thought out what you posted or not[/quote]

Oh yes, and there is some division in opinion regarding the seriousness of things in the 40K universe, just look at the very first reply I got.

I don't seek to condemn 40K for being silly (in my opinion) but rather I am curious as to how many people take it all in straight faced and hold it up as sensible and serious fiction (Hence the poll)

 

[Versuvius]

Setting with every planet, city complex, space station or vessel bearing name stolen from some Black Metal band ? Without any plausible economy ? With heavily armored knights dying as easily as light infantrymen ? Serious ? No. By all gods, no !

The fuck? Economy is based on forge worlds processing materials stripped from mine worlds, food is produced by dedicated agri-worlds and hosing space is provided by planets turned into vast tower blocks. Economy exists, it's just on a grand scale. Do your research, or shut up.

 

[Sinus]

If your only knowledge of 40k comes from the video games, then sure, its silly. Warhammer has been around since the 80's and was basically a hobbiest form of satire of the cold war era world. Wasnt really a big fan of bringing the game to a video game platform because of how much the lore would be cheapend. Which youll notice it has been dumbed down quite a bit from previous editions.

 

[Iggy Rufflebar]

I enjoy the lore and concept of the 40K universe.

It also shows what will happen to humanity if we give more power to religious nut jobs...that and the dangers of space dinosaurs.

 

[Da Orky Man]

What your not taking seriously there is chaos and taking chaos seriously is kind of a backwards concept

Well this is in accurate, I suppose I should have elaborated, there isn't any particular species I can take seriously in the 40K universe. Humans are dumb, Orks are.. well.. Orks, Chaos is silly, Eldar schemes are always uncovered and foiled, and that about does it for the 'main' actors. I am aware of the Tau, the various types of Chaos and the Tyranids and so forth but the whole "must depress must gritty must be gory" attitude sortof breaks it for me, plus the over the top nature of everything leaves it ripe for parody.

I don't mean to impose my opinion here as fact, I'm curious to see how many people are able to suspend disbelief to this extent.

40k is an unique universe. Not everyone gets it. And in what way are the Eldar schemes always foiled? The Second War of Armageddon is an Eldar plot, as is most major events. Most are subtle enough never to have been guessed at.
But yeah, it's designed to be utterly over-the-top. And I like it like that.

 

[JesterRaiin]

If your answer to any of those questions is 'no', then you either have no sense of humor or Warhammer just isn't for you, so ignore it.

Interesting. First post on this forum and all you do is scolding over simple question.

Setting with every planet, city complex, space station or vessel bearing name stolen from some Black Metal band ? Without any plausible economy ? With heavily armored knights dying as easily as light infantrymen ? Serious ? No. By all gods, no !

The fuck? Economy is based on forge worlds processing materials stripped from mine worlds, food is produced by dedicated agri-worlds and hosing space is provided by planets turned into vast tower blocks. Economy exists, it's just on a grand scale.

Nope, it isn't economy.

Do your research, or shut up.

Or else what ? You'll come and strangle me in my sleep ?

 

[Commissar Sae]

It really depends on what side you look at. I can laugh it up with the best of them but reading through some sections of fulgrim or Nemesis were actually kind of fucked up. Watching a stage show where the lead dancer starts literally breaking herself apart as she gets more and more possessed by the music or having a creature basically be an even more messed up version of 'the thing' has a certain power to it.

At the same time a lot of it is over the top and ridiculous to me. Mostly the space marine stuff honestly, since work based around the inquisition or the imperial guard can actually be pretty good.

 

[Commissar Sae]

If your answer to any of those questions is 'no', then you either have no sense of humor or Warhammer just isn't for you, so ignore it.

Interesting. First post on this forum and all you do is scolding over simple question.

Setting with every planet, city complex, space station or vessel bearing name stolen from some Black Metal band ? Without any plausible economy ? With heavily armored knights dying as easily as light infantrymen ? Serious ? No. By all gods, no !

The fuck? Economy is based on forge worlds processing materials stripped from mine worlds, food is produced by dedicated agri-worlds and hosing space is provided by planets turned into vast tower blocks. Economy exists, it's just on a grand scale.

Nope, it isn't economy.

Actually it looks a lot like an overblown version of the Soviet economy during the early years of the USSR. Each area has dedicated labour to do and its all controlled by a central hub. It's not a particularly good system but it is an economy.

 

[Fantasylord]

Personally I don't take anyhing seriously when it comes to fiction of any kind. I enjoy stories of the 40k universe mostly because I find the setting and stories entertaining nothing more.

 

[Versuvius]

If your answer to any of those questions is 'no', then you either have no sense of humor or Warhammer just isn't for you, so ignore it.

Interesting. First post on this forum and all you do is scolding over simple question.

Setting with every planet, city complex, space station or vessel bearing name stolen from some Black Metal band ? Without any plausible economy ? With heavily armored knights dying as easily as light infantrymen ? Serious ? No. By all gods, no !

The fuck? Economy is based on forge worlds processing materials stripped from mine worlds, food is produced by dedicated agri-worlds and hosing space is provided by planets turned into vast tower blocks. Economy exists, it's just on a grand scale.

Nope, it isn't economy.

Actually it looks a lot like an overblown version of the Soviet economy during the early years of the USSR. Each area has dedicated labour to do and its all controlled by a central hub. It's not a particularly good system but it is an economy.

Its the foundations for economy. The aggri worlds trade products for the weapons, or people, people work and aquire moneys. I suppose you will ask me where it all started, well, about 30,000 years ago they implimented trading for universal credits for the layman and the big corps and houses pay in large amounts of resources, or give resources for credits. Now stop being silly, trading exists like it developped on earth on a much grander scale, and bank accounts. They exist too.

 

[TheAbominableDan]

Setting with every planet, city complex, space station or vessel bearing name stolen from some Black Metal band ? Without any plausible economy ? With heavily armored knights dying as easily as light infantrymen ? Serious ? No. By all gods, no !

The fuck? Economy is based on forge worlds processing materials stripped from mine worlds, food is produced by dedicated agri-worlds and hosing space is provided by planets turned into vast tower blocks. Economy exists, it's just on a grand scale. Do your research, or shut up.

Let me qualify this by saying I have been a massive 40k fan for 11 years now. I have a sizeable Alpha Legion army and an in progress World Eaters army. Yesterday the stuff I ordered to finish my Goliath gang for Necromunda came in the mail. I love 40k.

But he's right about a lot of the logistics making no sense. You just have to turn off that part of your brain and accept it. For instance, the Death Korps of Krieg. They willingly sacrifice entire regiments as long as they win. They come from one planet. They can not sustain these tactics for long. But you just have to put that thought out of your mind and go with it.

 

[vortexgods]

It's intended as very dark humor, mostly. However, it's mostly based on extremes of human behavior in historical wars. For example, the pointless waste of life in the First World War or the grim behavior of the Russian military at the battle of Stalingrad.

War is funny, like being chopped up by a homicidal clown with an axe.

 

[Smooth Operator]

You are asking if space D&D is serious... seriously? You must be from the Ministry of Silly affairs.

Yes it is absolutely serious within it's own universe, just like LOTR, Star Wars, Star Trek, D&D,...
I hope the concept is not too hard to grasp.

 

[Versuvius]

Setting with every planet, city complex, space station or vessel bearing name stolen from some Black Metal band ? Without any plausible economy ? With heavily armored knights dying as easily as light infantrymen ? Serious ? No. By all gods, no !

The fuck? Economy is based on forge worlds processing materials stripped from mine worlds, food is produced by dedicated agri-worlds and hosing space is provided by planets turned into vast tower blocks. Economy exists, it's just on a grand scale. Do your research, or shut up.

Let me qualify this by saying I have been a massive 40k fan for 11 years now. I have a sizeable Alpha Legion army and an in progress World Eaters army. Yesterday the stuff I ordered to finish my Goliath gang for Necromunda came in the mail. I love 40k.

But he's right about a lot of the logistics making no sense. You just have to turn off that part of your brain and accept it. For instance, the Death Korps of Krieg. They willingly sacrifice entire regiments as long as they win. They come from one planet. They can not sustain these tactics for long. But you just have to put that thought out of your mind and go with it.

Kreig grows troops in vats in underground complexes. Its relatively cheap to import raw nutritients refined from the dead of hive worlds to grow the new troops. They work, whole systems are dedicated to admin duty (Some even go into civil wars over space to store the paper work)

 

[DOOMGUY '93]

Well the Warhammer Universe is meant to be a series of LoL,WTF, and JESUS CHRIST I AM LACTATING TESTOSTERONE!!! I AM A MONSTER TRUCK THAT WALKS LIKE A MAN!!!!!!(Credit to Yahtzee) so i am not surprised your experiencing the second one (WTF). I like Warhammer 40k and you can take that for whatever its worth. ($70.99+6% sales tax)

 

[JesterRaiin]

Actually it looks a lot like an overblown version of the Soviet economy during the early years of the USSR. Each area has dedicated labour to do and its all controlled by a central hub. It's not a particularly good system but it is an economy.

Hardly. With the exception of Chaos (i'm not sure if this guys eat and produce anything), Necrons (ditto), and maybe Eldars (self sustained cities-starships) every Wh40k empire should collapse under it's own weight. War swallowing most of resources, uncontrollable growth and shrinking of controlled systems, devastation of whole solar systems because some half-saint half-mad inquisitor wills it, distances, lack of reliable, stable trade lanes, seclusion, no borders, enemies capable of emerging out of nowhere at the doorsteps of Holy Terra or centre of any other empire... Also, unregulated matter of taxes... Naaaah. Simple "pick here, transport it there" isn't plausible economic model.

 

[vortexgods]

Setting with every planet, city complex, space station or vessel bearing name stolen from some Black Metal band ? Without any plausible economy ? With heavily armored knights dying as easily as light infantrymen ? Serious ? No. By all gods, no !

The fuck? Economy is based on forge worlds processing materials stripped from mine worlds, food is produced by dedicated agri-worlds and hosing space is provided by planets turned into vast tower blocks. Economy exists, it's just on a grand scale. Do your research, or shut up.

Let me qualify this by saying I have been a massive 40k fan for 11 years now. I have a sizeable Alpha Legion army and an in progress World Eaters army. Yesterday the stuff I ordered to finish my Goliath gang for Necromunda came in the mail. I love 40k.

But he's right about a lot of the logistics making no sense. You just have to turn off that part of your brain and accept it. For instance, the Death Korps of Krieg. They willingly sacrifice entire regiments as long as they win. They come from one planet. They can not sustain these tactics for long. But you just have to put that thought out of your mind and go with it.

In the grim darkness of the far future human beings breed like rabbits.

 

[Secret world leader (shhh)]

I'm only barely familliiar with WH40k but i can say if space marine were like that video it would be an instant pre-order.

 

[TheAbominableDan]

Setting with every planet, city complex, space station or vessel bearing name stolen from some Black Metal band ? Without any plausible economy ? With heavily armored knights dying as easily as light infantrymen ? Serious ? No. By all gods, no !

The fuck? Economy is based on forge worlds processing materials stripped from mine worlds, food is produced by dedicated agri-worlds and hosing space is provided by planets turned into vast tower blocks. Economy exists, it's just on a grand scale. Do your research, or shut up.

Let me qualify this by saying I have been a massive 40k fan for 11 years now. I have a sizeable Alpha Legion army and an in progress World Eaters army. Yesterday the stuff I ordered to finish my Goliath gang for Necromunda came in the mail. I love 40k.

But he's right about a lot of the logistics making no sense. You just have to turn off that part of your brain and accept it. For instance, the Death Korps of Krieg. They willingly sacrifice entire regiments as long as they win. They come from one planet. They can not sustain these tactics for long. But you just have to put that thought out of your mind and go with it.

Kreig grows troops in vats in underground complexes. Its relatively cheap to import raw nutritients refined from the dead of hive worlds to grow the new troops. They work, whole systems are dedicated to admin duty (Some even go into civil wars over space to store the paper work)

Still, think of the logistics. There are hundreds, if not thousands of Krieg regiments. If they can throw away 10,000 and still win then the regiment must be larger than that. Consider that the planet would still need millions of people in order to run itself. Think of how many people this must be. And they only come from one planet.

I know they grow people faster but it's still a logistical nightmare.

 

[Ragsnstitches]

It really depends on what side you look at. I can laugh it up with the best of them but reading through some sections of fulgrim or Nemesis were actually kind of fucked up. Watching a stage show where the lead dancer starts literally breaking herself apart as she gets more and more possessed by the music or having a creature basically be an even more messed up version of 'the thing' has a certain power to it.

At the same time a lot of it is over the top and ridiculous to me. Mostly the space marine stuff honestly, since work based around the inquisition or the imperial guard can actually be pretty good.

Though I agree with what you say about the levity of the universe, I would like to stress that even in fulgrim, your not supposed to take it seriously. It is dark for sure, but it's OTT for shits and giggles, or for shock value depending .

When the renegade Emperors Children Legion start wearing the skin of their enemies you have to step back and go "yep, that's about as Evil as things get in this universe". Or that sub-plot with the remembrancer turning human waste and matter into "art" you say "sounds like Slaanesh, all right".

You Roll with the punches so to speak.

Just as people don't take Adventure Time or MLP: Friendship is Magic seriously (they really shouldn't mind you) you don't take Warhammer seriously. It can be cool, messed up, intriguing and dark and still be a entirely made for the larf (at every level). Not every dark fiction has to be 'A Song of Fire and Ice' levels of "SRS BSNS!"

That said, there are some really memorable moments in the Horus Heresy series. Still not taking it seriously, but loving it all the same.