No, Lucas is not dead to me. He keeps leaving painful reminders of his existence for us to find.
Poll: Is George Lucas dead to you?
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easternflame said:
Yes, Spielberg has some sense and thinks Lucas is nuts for forcing the old versions out of print. The sci fi movies Spielberg has made in the last ten years, like Minority Report, AI, and War of the Worlds (to a lesser extent) absolutely destroy the awful, awful Star Wars prequels. I think Munich is the best movie Spielberg has ever made and that came out six years ago. I felt Indiana Jones 4 was at the very least campy fun, which sort of had a vague passing resemblance to the original series. I wasn't bored during Indy 4. There was no intentional revisionism and they didn't purposely go back to the old movies and add effects to make it "fit." I'd gladly watch Anakin hide from a nuclear blast in a fridge as it would have added the slightest tinge of excitement and humor to that overwrought nonsense.HereForFreeFood said:
I thank him for making the movies. they were a huge childhood and these changes do not ruin it for me.
however. i want him to give up creative control over the star wars franchise. more on the mark: i want a TV series based on "the new jedi order" books in the vein of game of thrones and true blood.
george lucas is old, and he has made it very clear he does not know what his fans want anymore. he needs to drop the reins and give them to someone who really does.
however. i want him to give up creative control over the star wars franchise. more on the mark: i want a TV series based on "the new jedi order" books in the vein of game of thrones and true blood.
george lucas is old, and he has made it very clear he does not know what his fans want anymore. he needs to drop the reins and give them to someone who really does.
I think he's a hack that had a lucky break and has spent the last 30-plus years unintentially destroying the image he managed to build for himself. I don't have much respect for the man but I don't care enough about him to get all up in arms about his continuing efforts to destroy himself.
No. He adds stupid crap to his movies, but they are his movies, he can change them however he wants.
It's not like he went back in time and erased all the original versions, so I don't see why people are so upset.
It's not like he went back in time and erased all the original versions, so I don't see why people are so upset.
God I wish... Lucasfilms needs to throw that hirsute git into bedlam before he does anymore damage. Until then he is painfully alive and needs to have an eye kept on him until he dies for fear that might do more damage to his beloved and accidental opus.
If I can be forgiven for this comparison, Lucas reminds me of a whole string of Project Runway (a fashion design reality show) contestants who have come and gone over the years. You know, the ones who start with a very nice dress but either lack confidence in their own creative vision or operate from such a level of grandiosity that they believe nothing they do could ever be wrong.
Either way, they start with a good clean design that would probably win, and then they fuck with it. And fuck with it. And "oh no, that's not enough, it needs a jacket!" "No, it needs MORE BLING DAMMIT!" As one literally said a couple of weeks ago, "less is not more, more is more". And they end up with something godawful that makes the judges' eyes bleed, and go home being told "your problem is that you don't know how to edit".
George Lucas has exactly this problem. Good idea, buried under nonsense and additions and so much useless garbage that you can't see the structure anymore, and it's too bad because some of his ideas are really good. But he's surrounded by yes-men and is so fully invested in himself as Legend that it's basically amateur hour with the SW franchise. A parody of itself.
(OTOH, I feel like I did get the kind of SW I've always wanted with KOTOR (especially the second, which goes a lot deeper into Force philosophy nuance) and with (yes, boo and hiss all you want) the NJO series. Hell, I got "Traitor", that alone lets me die happy with SW. I'm just sad that he's never going to let anything like that past him again.)
Either way, they start with a good clean design that would probably win, and then they fuck with it. And fuck with it. And "oh no, that's not enough, it needs a jacket!" "No, it needs MORE BLING DAMMIT!" As one literally said a couple of weeks ago, "less is not more, more is more". And they end up with something godawful that makes the judges' eyes bleed, and go home being told "your problem is that you don't know how to edit".
George Lucas has exactly this problem. Good idea, buried under nonsense and additions and so much useless garbage that you can't see the structure anymore, and it's too bad because some of his ideas are really good. But he's surrounded by yes-men and is so fully invested in himself as Legend that it's basically amateur hour with the SW franchise. A parody of itself.
(OTOH, I feel like I did get the kind of SW I've always wanted with KOTOR (especially the second, which goes a lot deeper into Force philosophy nuance) and with (yes, boo and hiss all you want) the NJO series. Hell, I got "Traitor", that alone lets me die happy with SW. I'm just sad that he's never going to let anything like that past him again.)
i always looked at it like a cycle. i'm sure luke will have kids, and leah too. they'll probably learn the force. they will repopulate the jedi and start a new order. some will decide to become meanies(sith) and it starts over again.Hero in a half shell said:
i don't know if thats what its actually suppose to be but meh.
OP: I put bacon because it's my favorite... and i'm honestly indifferent on george lucas
Yes, except when he comes back from the dead to fuck with the movies by adding nonsense and ruining them. That damn poltergeist...
Yes, it's a cycle, and that's the problem with SW, especially the new EU. Add more Jedi, whoops, need more Sith. Add Sith, whoops, too many Sith. They've gotten so used to this narrative structure that they have no idea at all how to break out of it.SergeantAnt said:
The one thing I still want from SW is a novel series where non-Force-sensitives rise up in a massive rebellion that stems from millennia of dying in Jedi vs. Sith war after Jedi vs. Sith war and they're sick and tired of it. Your war, *you* die in it! And then Sheridan (whoops, I meant some scrappy normal human) steps up and tells the Vorlons (whoops, I meant Jedi) and the Shadows (whoops, I meant Sith) to GTFO of the galaxy. And while there are still kids born with the Force, they don't do something as silly with it as let their emotions rule them, or act like emotions are a bad bad thing that must be buried. But they kept the lightsabers, because that shit was cool.
Spielberg is a greedy sellout fucker.HereForFreeFood said:
He created many good things in the past, I do love those, ET, Saving Private Ryan, Indiana Jones, Schlinder's List, Jurassic Park.
But now, he produces shitt like Battle LA, Transformer 1 2 AND 3, not to mention indi jones 4 AND 5 (yes folks, you've heard me, he's making ANOTHER ONE).
SO yeah, I don't like him either.
I'm pretty sure Yoda explicitly told Luke to pass on what he had learned. In the movie. So, it's not like the whole thing is noncanon or something.Hero in a half shell said:
As bad as the majority of the EU is, it's still not as bad as the prequels. I'd declare them noncanon before the EU.
Kinda, I actually love the CG series, Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Dave Filoni and the team do a great job. But, every time GL decides to have a say in it he ruins things a little. For example, his take on Mandalorians is drastically different than the EU, as are his origins for Asajj Ventress, he seems to have something against Virboblades and Yellow Lightsabers, he killed off a character who becomes fairly important to an EU novel set in The Dark Times, and the crew planned a Darth Revan cameo in the excellent Mortiss trilogy of episodes but GL axed it.
I could have had a Darth Revan cameo, him, EU General Grievous (A few appearances in the new series have been good though) and Grand Admiral Thrawn are my favorite Star Wars characters. I'm currently replaying KotOR (Can't wait for the Revan novel!) and reading the Hand of Thrawn duology for the first time (The Thrawn trilogy is the only set of books I've liked so far. George Lucas seems to not like these characters.
Oh, and he screwed up my favorite seen in the entirety of Star Wars apparently by adding some cheesy "no"'s. I used to look up to you man, you were my hero...
I could have had a Darth Revan cameo, him, EU General Grievous (A few appearances in the new series have been good though) and Grand Admiral Thrawn are my favorite Star Wars characters. I'm currently replaying KotOR (Can't wait for the Revan novel!) and reading the Hand of Thrawn duology for the first time (The Thrawn trilogy is the only set of books I've liked so far. George Lucas seems to not like these characters.
Oh, and he screwed up my favorite seen in the entirety of Star Wars apparently by adding some cheesy "no"'s. I used to look up to you man, you were my hero...
Exactly this. I just hate how people treat Star Wars as if it is "all theirs" and that Lucas ruined it. I literally wanted to vomit at the whole "Lucas raped my childhood" thing. That was offensive on so many levels.Inkidu said:
It is his movie, his story, he can do whatever he wants. You can like it or not like it, you can buy it or not buy it. But please, I beg you, just STOP going on and on and on about it. If Star Wars is sufficiently ruined for you then break out your original VHS tapes, pop em in and go to town. Like it or not Jar Jar is official, complaining about it won't change it.
Otherwise, it's really not that bad.
Although I will say this: Han -did- shoot first. XD
P.S. Star Wars is still awesome. And I loved the prequels. Flame away, friends, flame away.
