Poll: Is incest wrong if it's consensual?
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Nonconsensual intercourse is wrong. Intercourse with a minor is wrong. Bunking with close relatives is unappealing to me but I don't see anyone's rights violated.
Sure it's subjective, but since incest is a taboo in almost every human society, ever (especially parent-child) I think there's a good biological reason for it.
Socially, accepting consensual incest but not forced incest means you accept incest but not rape, so that's a different issue.
As for me....with the squick factor, the only way I'm really okay with it is in those rare cases where siblings are seperated at a young age and hook up as adults, oblivious to the connection. Can't really blame anyone for that.
Socially, accepting consensual incest but not forced incest means you accept incest but not rape, so that's a different issue.
As for me....with the squick factor, the only way I'm really okay with it is in those rare cases where siblings are seperated at a young age and hook up as adults, oblivious to the connection. Can't really blame anyone for that.
No I don't and no I haven't. I've said as much. Betting you never read the rest of the thread - Eight pages full of words?! No thanks guv!witness51 said:
Edit: Sounds pretty cool. Not sure why you brought it up though.
Parent/Child incest is always wrong (even if both adults and consensual) because there is always some sort of current of authority - in one direction or another. Parent/Child usually indicates abuse.retyopy said:
Sibling incest is a lot fuzzier. Siblings can be very close.
Is incest ever a good idea? No. Is it wrong if it's between siblings? Eh... depends.
Legally i don't believe it is wrong. On a moral standpoint it could be depending on what one's beliefs are. Personally i don't see a big problem with incest..if two grown-up people who just happen to share the same family bloodline wanna bump uglies who am i to stop them. Hell it's happened within my own kinship and they've had a child as a result of it.
It's a stupid idea that will get you ostracized in polite society if you admit to it, but I don't see anything morally reprehensible about the act of sleeping with your immediate family. I'd never do it, but I see no reason to stop others so inclined.
I find nothing wrong with incest. Sure, it isn't something I'd do, but the way I think, victimless crimes should go unpunished. Besides, it's not like incest is something that isn't natural, humans are one of the few animals that don't regularly engage in incestuous relationships.
And before you bring up the topic of chances of deformed children, let me bring up two points.
a.) In the modern day, sex =/= having children.
b.) While, statistically, it is more likely your child will have genetic issues due to inbreeding, it is still UNLIKELY. Very unlikely. Barely any more likely than if you weren't related (if the incest only occurs over one generation). The way it works is every single human being on the planet probably has a serious genetic flaw somewhere in their genome. Everybody. That includes you, it includes me and it includes Barack Obama. There's so much genetic information that the chances of something going wrong in there are massively high. The thing is, each cell contains two pairs of every chromosome and the genetic flaw that is in one of those chromosomes is recessive, meaning it isn't expressed and the correct gene in the other chromosome is expressed. As you are genetically similar to anyone in your immediate family, there is a small possibility they inherited the same flaw. So if you have children with them, you will donate one of your chromosomes through your gametes to your child and so will your partner, meaning their is a possibility that BOTH chromosomes will have the genetic flaw meaning it will be expressed. However, this is still incredibly unlikely, and, in my opinion, not likely enough to stop two people who love each other from being together. Inbreeding doesn't really become a problem unless it occurs over multiple generations unless you are very, VERY unlucky.
EDIT: Social stigma or an individual's belief shouldn't factor into this. Why should something you find to be sickening stop other people who probably will never know from being together? The fact that people would try to enforce their own belief system and morality onto other people is what is truly sickening.
And before you bring up the topic of chances of deformed children, let me bring up two points.
a.) In the modern day, sex =/= having children.
b.) While, statistically, it is more likely your child will have genetic issues due to inbreeding, it is still UNLIKELY. Very unlikely. Barely any more likely than if you weren't related (if the incest only occurs over one generation). The way it works is every single human being on the planet probably has a serious genetic flaw somewhere in their genome. Everybody. That includes you, it includes me and it includes Barack Obama. There's so much genetic information that the chances of something going wrong in there are massively high. The thing is, each cell contains two pairs of every chromosome and the genetic flaw that is in one of those chromosomes is recessive, meaning it isn't expressed and the correct gene in the other chromosome is expressed. As you are genetically similar to anyone in your immediate family, there is a small possibility they inherited the same flaw. So if you have children with them, you will donate one of your chromosomes through your gametes to your child and so will your partner, meaning their is a possibility that BOTH chromosomes will have the genetic flaw meaning it will be expressed. However, this is still incredibly unlikely, and, in my opinion, not likely enough to stop two people who love each other from being together. Inbreeding doesn't really become a problem unless it occurs over multiple generations unless you are very, VERY unlucky.
EDIT: Social stigma or an individual's belief shouldn't factor into this. Why should something you find to be sickening stop other people who probably will never know from being together? The fact that people would try to enforce their own belief system and morality onto other people is what is truly sickening.
Yes. Ugh hell yes it's wrong and sickening.
And to a some of these replies...wow, just wow, REALLY? You'd REALLY have sex with someone in your IMMEDIATE FAMILY? People are stretching the idea of "tolerance" way, way to far.
Speaking of being sick...I need to leave these forums for a while.
And to a some of these replies...wow, just wow, REALLY? You'd REALLY have sex with someone in your IMMEDIATE FAMILY? People are stretching the idea of "tolerance" way, way to far.
Speaking of being sick...I need to leave these forums for a while.
Try telling that to the kids, lopsided Clem and three legged Bubba. The genetic standpoint says it's a bad idea.MrDeckard said:
Children asides, yes. Yes there is. From a sociological standpoint, one of the draws of marriage is the opportunity created from increasing your social network and available resources with the acquisition of your spouse and their family. From a moral standpoint, that is a perversion of sibling affection. From an interpersonal standpoint that would only serve to make family occasions awkward in the event of a falling out.
well lizard babies(harlequin babies) are wrong... so don't get your sister pregnant you weirdos. All I can say is what i wouldn't do... nail my sister. but hey if two people love each other very much...gross. I suppose it's only natural to want to bang your womb-mate. and don't worry about incest coming up at the dinner table, I've had conversations about child molesting at easter dinner. to avoid these conversations, shave your moustache.
You could've avoided it by not opening this thread.Ensiferum said:
Ah who am I kidding; anything to come off as morally righteous and offended by blasphemy, eh.