Poll: It's really time to stop supporting Blizzard
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@The Madman
I see, that's not quite so bad then.
I still think it's a silly thing to permanently ban people from though, at the least they should have issued warnings first.
@Robin_Lyon
As tens of people have already said, do you really read the entire EULA of every game before you install it, I'll concede that it may not legally be against user rights due to the Eula, but it's a thin wall to hide behind if you ask me.
As I said, they should have either made it much plainer to see that 3rd party trainers and cheats were banned, or they should have issued warnings first instead of coming right out with the ban hammer.
If they react like this to people who make trainers I'd hate to think what they'd do to modders.
I see, that's not quite so bad then.
I still think it's a silly thing to permanently ban people from though, at the least they should have issued warnings first.
@Robin_Lyon
As tens of people have already said, do you really read the entire EULA of every game before you install it, I'll concede that it may not legally be against user rights due to the Eula, but it's a thin wall to hide behind if you ask me.
As I said, they should have either made it much plainer to see that 3rd party trainers and cheats were banned, or they should have issued warnings first instead of coming right out with the ban hammer.
If they react like this to people who make trainers I'd hate to think what they'd do to modders.
Stereotyping to the MAAAAX.Sinspiration said:
Not all cheaters are like that, have you ever played a single player game and you've tried to do one level over and over and over again for hours on and never can beat it. If you use cheats you could skip that level and finishing the game having FUN!
That this is happening is troubling, as experimentation with games and game code is what the industry is founded on. This may be light experimentation, but it should be allowed nonetheless.
Certainly in the multiplayer, this ban would be reasonable, but single player? No. People should be allowed to muck about as they see fit, as this is what the industry was founded upon. I don't think those telling people to "suck it up" realize what kind of dangerous precedent these actions set. It is like film companies suing smaller filmmakers despite fair use, knowing full well that they don't have the coin to fight it, even though they may legally be in the right.
And that they can even detect this stuff is also troubling. What a brave new world of gaming we live in.
Certainly in the multiplayer, this ban would be reasonable, but single player? No. People should be allowed to muck about as they see fit, as this is what the industry was founded upon. I don't think those telling people to "suck it up" realize what kind of dangerous precedent these actions set. It is like film companies suing smaller filmmakers despite fair use, knowing full well that they don't have the coin to fight it, even though they may legally be in the right.
And that they can even detect this stuff is also troubling. What a brave new world of gaming we live in.
While banning an entire account and disabling their game and basically throwing that money they spent on your game down the bin is a tad extreme considering it was only single-player.
But then again, I'm inclined to not even look at a hack website! They cause nothing but problems even for the people who don't use them.
But then again, I'm inclined to not even look at a hack website! They cause nothing but problems even for the people who don't use them.
Actually, I'm kind of in favor of Blizzard right now. I mean, look at how many cheaters and hackers there are in games like Call of Duty and Battlefield 2. I'd take a company that actually puts a stop to hackers over a company that lets you cheat in single player any day.
I still think that Blizzard is WAY too overrated. The only two games I know of that they made in the last 5 years are Starcraft 2 and Wow. And while WOW was pretty epic, Starcraft 2 is merely a bit above average.
I still think that Blizzard is WAY too overrated. The only two games I know of that they made in the last 5 years are Starcraft 2 and Wow. And while WOW was pretty epic, Starcraft 2 is merely a bit above average.
Absolutely I am, no argument here. However, I should still have the right to do so without worrying about my game being banned in singleplayer . That's just stupid. Sure, if I'm cheating at multiplayer then ban me. Banning me for cheating by myself, who cares? Who am I harming?Sinspiration said:
If I want to cheat at a game of solitaire I can do so, if I cheat on any other game I own that's fine too. Why is Starcraft 2 suddenly so special?
I really hope no other game companies take up this trend.
Because my mind unlike my Hard drive has little in the way of restrictions on how much data I am able to store and access.bob1052 said:
This whole thread is a very interesting Character study into what is legal what is not legal and what we the consumers are truly aware of. I was reminded once by a CSR in Everquest back in '01 that we are not legal owners of our characters or the game, we pay for the right to play their game. It is not our game, it is their game, and it is up to us as to whether or not we wish to pay them for the right to play their game. The EULA states clearly(apparently) not to use 3rd party software that augments or changes game play or they will take away your right to play their game(cliff-notes version). We the consumers have the right to ***** whine complain and make up what ever we want claim to own the copy of the game we purchased, but the truth is we don't own that game. We own a copy of the game that the producer want us to play a specific way.
"Rules are made to be broken" a common motto of the rebels. I've been corrected a couple times for some of my earlier remarks and conceded points where I was mistaken. I've tried to add some humor here and there since most are taking this way to seriously. Books and Movies have been brought up and pointed out how they are made. Some of us have done research and try to share our knowledge with others some look to flame and troll. Keeping in mind that we don't technically own a single one of the games we've payed our money to have a copy of, should be taken into account. We would only own a game we our selves made and copyrighted. Blizzards point is this : Spend 3-6 years and millions of dollar's making a game to have some feck wit undo everything you worked so hard to balance and design and see how you would react to it. It's blizzards game you don't like the rules don't buy it, its really that simple.
We are paying someone else that made the game for the privilege to play THEIR game. You can either join the masses of people playing the game because that's the thing to do, or you can play the game because you truly enjoy the game, or you can not play it. Telling me you cheated because you don't have the time to sit through a 45minute mission is hogwash, why'd you buy it in the first place? You cheated because you suck and needed help. The champagnes have intermissions between missions where you can save and return when you have more time to continue. Hell there's usually the option/ability to save during the missions so that you can come back to it when you have time. That function is for those that don't have disposable time to play everything out straight through in 1 sitting. Even the 5-10 hour long game's most people break up their time to play and come back to it when they have the time.
Blizzard telling us that Starcraft 2 will be a trilogy and would have taken upwards of 14years to develop is them admitting to us they only want our money. They have the technology now to make the game. They didn't really change enough from starcraft 1 to starcraft 2 aside from a few minor unit changes; they added a couple units while taking good ones from previous installments out; they slightly cleaned up the graphics and added slightly useful capture points(please keep in mind I have not played through the Champagne and only have my time in the beta testing of the multi-player content to go on). It's the same game as Starcraft/Brood Wars to there really were no innovations.
The Addition of Achievments only feeds to the school yard "my dad's better then your dad" mentality. Peoples desire to be "better then everyone else"... all this being said games are meant to be fun, we buy the right to play them to be entertained. In single player content games that you enjoy the story but find the actual game play difficult players will find ways to get around.... Example :
Install the the game agree to User License agreement(honestly how many of us really read and completely understand the 30pages of legal text?)
Run a check on internet for updates so it runs smoothly for once you disconnect from internet.
Play game for a little while find it is too difficult and seek a means to make more likely for you to play and see how it ends.
In the above thread find a "trainer" to help them along the way achieve what they bought the game for.. .entertainment.
Disconnect the computer from the internet.
Play the game through off line see the ending be entertained.
Uninstall the game re-connect to internet.
So Flame on.
There are Game company's fighting for Gamers rights... Seek out StarDock who is fighting for our rights, just a few things they are trying to fight for : The right of the owner of a legit game copy to put it on any number of computers within their household. The right to be able to play the game without having the game disc in the CD drive, the right to not have to worry about loosing your "key" in order to play your copy of the game. There's more but its late and you can find them yourself. My point is this instead of crying cause people got caught cheating when someone explicitly told them not too is dumb. Boycott a game company because of what they didn't do or what their politics are. I boycott Blizzard but it has nothing to do with cheats, I actually like 99% of blizzards games and it hurts to not play their games, but I will not reward people with my money if they are unwilling to assist me with my issues or provide the security they claim to offer.
Except for the fact that legally YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO MODIFY GAMES PERIOD. This has been part of the license agreement or whatever for years,(You know, that thing you click on before you can play/install the game that tells you all the stuff you can be sued over) the only difference now is that someone is actually enforcing it.chewbacca1010 said:
It seems a little overkill to ban an entire account from someone for modifying a game in such a way that it has absolutely no bearing on anyone else's enjoyment of said game. I am disappointed with how Blizzard handled this situation, even if they were in their right to do so.
If it was multi-player though, I'd be singing a different tune.
Yeah, I'll join the boycott.
If it was multi-player though, I'd be singing a different tune.
Yeah, I'll join the boycott.
I've never liked a blizzard, makes it hard to drive, I don't believe we have the technology to control the weather yet.
Dude I don't have anything to do with Blizzard or its games, but I will say that Cheating is down right stupid. I feel the reason why they are doing it is mainly because it runs the possibility to be exploited into the online segments of the game, and the last thing we need is more Cheaters online.
I get my fair share of cheating bastards in Metal Gear Online all the time with their MAO Programs and Lagswitching dumbasses.
Any game that has an online segment probably shouldn't be hacked even in single player.
I get my fair share of cheating bastards in Metal Gear Online all the time with their MAO Programs and Lagswitching dumbasses.
Any game that has an online segment probably shouldn't be hacked even in single player.