Poll: It's really time to stop supporting Blizzard

[AndyFromMonday]

As you said, mate, the issue at hand isn't the issue for you anymore. It is true that, without battle.net, people could use trainers in their single player game as much as they want.

I think you miss the point entirely. Battle.net takes control AWAY from the player and gives it to the developer. THAT'S my problem with the current system.

But the reality is that battle.net is here to stay.

That depends on how gamers treat it. I hope someday they will realize what Blizzard, or rather Kotick, is doing and will cease buying games made by Blizzard.

And, since I am not a trainer-using-cheat

And what's the problem with using trainers? Should I not play my single player the way I want to and the way I believe I'll have fun?

It streamlines multiplayer

How?

and the achievements have really added to my single player experience.

How? Isn't the experience worth a billion achievements? Isn't the experience more IMPORTANT than the achievements? Is it really necessary to fling your achievements in front of everyone? Isn't the ability to do what you want with your game worth more than arbitrary achievements?

Anyway, I doubt you can understand this, since you obviously don't give two shits about achievements

I don't. I find the experience more satisfying than the score I get from it. Just like when I go to bowling with my friends I don't care about the score but about the experience.

but they are more than just "stupid portraits".

No they're not.

They represent the hours of effort that have gone into earning them.

So that's how you view games? "Hours of effort" just so you can fling some digital score in front of someone? Are you really in that much need of gratification?

If I spend twenty hours working to get one achievement, how is it fair for some dude to just come along and snap it up in a fraction of the time, with no effort thanks to his trainer?

I'm going to answer that question with another. Why did you spend twenty hours getting an achievement? Achievements should be a bonus and not something to strive for. The experience will always be more valuable than the score.

 

[David Bray]

Ok, so fucking with single-players is a bit unfair, that i grant you, but boycott the most consistant game company out there? No thanks

 

[HellsingerAngel]

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To you they may mean nothing, but to others they're a badge of honour. What you're doing right now is detracting from the gratification he gets from playing the game his way, which is exactly what you're trying to demote. Stop being a hypocrit. Achievements mean more to some than others.

As for the game, single-player is still fully functional with your B.Net account banned. Looks like cheathappens.com just wants some press and is willing to create a shitstorm to get it.

 

[DSK-]

TLRidn't Care

The game comes with single player cheats built in that aren't any violation of the terms of use. Outside cheats, trainers or other such programs are violations of the terms of use. Don't be overly surprised if you gamble and lose when doing something that carries risk.

Outside cheats, heavy risk...

But the prize!

lol, sorry, couldn't resist.

I think I'm the only one who got that :>

 

[Kif]

I don't see the necessity to cheat in the first place...

BUT, if you absolutely have to the game has cheat codes Blizzard were good enough to build into it, I've just checked on GameFAQs. So why use a third party app and line yourself up for a ban? They probably cant tell what trainers or hacks exactly someone is using and whether they are single player only which means it's a risk to them to let any stay in use.

 

[The Mighty Thesaurus]

I will "boycott" them, but only because I don't actually like any of their games.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

To you they may mean nothing, but to others they're a badge of honour. What you're doing right now is detracting from the gratification he gets from playing the game his way, which is exactly what you're trying to demote. Stop being a hypocrit. Achievements mean more to some than others.

You failed to respond to all my questions. To quote myself: "Isn't the ability to do what you want with your game worth more than arbitrary achievements?"

By all means, add achievements. The moment they are used to limit the liberty I have with my game is the moment I will have a problem with the developer. You're basically telling me that I cannot enjoy my game the way I want to because you need some sort of gratification for killing that Brutalisk. You just admitted you are an attention whore. You want everyone to know you finished the campaign on hard and you want everyone to glare at your awesomeness. That's why you "want" achievements and through that you're forgetting that you're forcing others to conform. Gamers have been getting the same satisfaction you're getting for years without achievements. How come they have become so important now?

Achievements have been avoided in SP PC games for a reason. They are impossible to introduce correctly without the need to be constantly online. Are you seriously saying that for some small gratification you get we should all conform to the idea of having to be constantly online and having no liberties at all with our games?

As for the game, single-player is still fully functional with your B.Net account banned. Looks like cheathappens.com just wants some press and is willing to create a shitstorm to get it.

Yeah, as a guest. I am not a guest. I am the OWNER of that game. Even so, as a guest you can't mod the game files to your liking.

 

[Estarc]

I think you miss the point entirely. Battle.net takes control AWAY from the player and gives it to the developer. THAT'S my problem with the current system.

Indeed, this is not a trend I hope all developers follow. While I think it works, mostly, for StarCraft II, I don't want to see it being applied to all games.

That depends on how gamers treat it. I hope someday they will realize what Blizzard, or rather Kotick, is doing and will cease buying games made by Blizzard.

I personally do not believe Blizzard will ever remove Battle.net. They were willing to sacrifice LAN support for it, man. Misguided or not, they are firmly set on their course.

And what's the problem with using trainers? Should I not play my single player the way I want to and the way I believe I'll have fun?

Frankly, I don't care how other people play their single player game. But these trainers can be used to cheat in the online multiplayer, or so I gathered, and that is unacceptable. What makes trainers worth it, anyway? What do they give you that the cheats Blizzard put in the game don't?

How?

I never played online in the original StarCraft. But this system makes it so easy, and matches you up for the most part against players reasonably close to your own level. If the system was the same as that in the original StarCraft, I'd never go online.

How? Isn't the experience worth a billion achievements? Isn't the experience more IMPORTANT than the achievements? Is it really necessary to fling your achievements in front of everyone? Isn't the ability to do what you want with your game worth more than arbitrary achievements?

The achievements are part of the experience. For example, one achievement on the mission "The Dig" is to destroy 50 enemy buildings on what is essentially a defence map. The points I got for managing it are pointless, no pun intended. But the fact that the achievement was there drove me to strive to do just that. I had a lot of fun, and if not for the achievement would never have even tried doing that.

I don't. I find the experience more satisfying than the score I get from it. Just like when I go to bowling with my friends I don't care about the score but about the experience.

I view the achievements as part of the experience. I don't get them so I can claim my e-penis is bigger than anyone else's. I get them because I enjoy doing so.

No they're not.

Yes they are.

So that's how you view games? "Hours of effort" just so you can fling some digital score in front of someone? Are you really in that much need of gratification?

Don't presume to know anything about me. I have never "flung my digital score" in anyone's face. Not guys I meet on the internet, not my friends, no one. I play games for my own enjoyment. With one or two exceptions, I prefer single player games, like RPGs.

I'm going to answer that question with another. Why did you spend twenty hours getting an achievement? Achievements should be a bonus and not something to strive for. The experience will always be more valuable than the score.

That, my friend, is nothing more than your opinion. It is not a universal truth. It may be the truth for you, but not for me. The achievements are small things, it is true. There is no real difference beating the game on the hardest difficulty and getting an achievement, compared to doing the same on a game without them. But the achievement is what serves to motivate me. In other games, such as Bayonetta and Resident Evil 4, it is in game items. I prefer that method, but achievements get me motivated as well.

Anyway, ultimately I do not support banning people who use trainers from the game entirely. I think that a warning should be given for the first offence, along with a wipe of any earned achievements and stats. And repeat offenders should face a punishment no more severe than banning them from the multiplayer, while still giving them access to the single player.

 

[WilliamRLBaker]

The time to stop supporting Blizzard was 04.

or when they released starcraft...I've played it finally this year...and I just can't see how people were suckered in its single player wasn't very good bad story, bad characters, bad voice acting.

when has it ever been awesome to have a confederate empire in space with its generals speaking with southern accents? it wasn't cool on firefly...its not cool in starcraft.

Banning people from online play and even disabling them from playing the game completely in any form because of single player cheats? yeah.

Frankly, I don't care how other people play their single player game. But these trainers can be used to cheat in the online multiplayer, or so I gathered, and that is unacceptable. What makes trainers worth it, anyway? What do they give you that the cheats Blizzard put in the game don't?

actually quite a few of the trainers getting banned are only capable of single player cheats not multiplayer.

 

[Ch@Z]

I'm boycotting Blizzard for a different reason..... Region lock!! Also the fact that their games are 60$ not 50$.

 

[NickCooley]

We've been over this in another thread before.

1.) They were trying to cheat the singleplayer game in order to get multiplayer prestige, i.e. achievements and the rare character portraits.

2.) Blizzard banned them from accessing the multiplayer portion of the game (as it has every right to do) as well as from getting any of those portraits, etc.

3.) They still have access to the full single-player game while playing as guest, they just can't play the multiplayer, which they were trying to game anyway.

Of all the things to get angry about, you're getting angry about people cheating? Really?



By all means, feel free to support - or refuse to support - any company you choose. But this is such a silly little thing to get angry over.

I'm just gonna leave this here in the vain hope people read it so we can hopefully avoid another 12 pages of pointless bitching.

 

[Crystal Cuckoo]

Sounds a lot like the MW2 and L4D2 boycott.

We'll see how long that boycott will last once the next Starcraft pack comes out.

 

[Olrod]

I'm going to boycott them up until the moment they finally release Diablo 3. Is that good enough?

 

[TilMorrow]

Well maybe it is wrong to be cheating in single player and AI battles. I mean achievements can be unlocked by cheating and when training for the game just train on the go. But in a sense Im not supporting blizzard with cash by not playing WoW anymore.

 

[Jandau]

Why would I boycott Blizzard? Everything they did before WoW was pure gold by any standard.

WoW is the biggest MMO ever and I personally had quite a bit of fun with it. It's a good game, and while not everyone likes MMOs, that doesn't change its quality.

Starcraft 2 is pretty damn great. As soon as they polish out the balance a bit more, it'll be awesome.

Diablo 3 is looking better every time I check it out.

As for Blizzard being under Kotick's thumb, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't they simply share a parent company?

Basically, a big NOOOOOOOOOOOO to the whole "boycott" thing.

Also, don't cheat...

 

[Jennacide]

It was time to stop supporting Blizzard the moment Activision stepped in. Was already boycotting thier games, just more to add to my list when the overtook Blizzard. Lucky for me, Diablo 3 doesn't excite me as much as Torchlight 2 now.

 

[Hogbinladen]

For such a well thought out and great reason like this, I'll boycott Blizzard until their next game comes out.

 

[TerranReaper]

On an off-topic note and addressing people that also play TF2, are the people against the single-player ban the same people who are against Valve's actions against idlers in TF2? Seems like gamers are constantly jumping between supporting these third party programs violating ToS and then getting punished and going against it.

OT: I wonder why you couldn't have used the implemented cheats that Blizzard puts in for you to use, or use the Map editor if that does not suffice. I don't see how it wouldn't, since most Trainers consist of "Unlimited Minerals, Unlimited Vespene Gas, etc", which is what the in-game cheats already cover. Again, from my experience, Trainers do not distinguish between single-player or multiplayer, therefore, you can use it wherever (Albeit with difficulty), even in multiplayer.

 

[Substance-E]

lol anyone who plays MMO's getting "Omg I just botted a little, this ban is so unfair!!!!11!!1" deja vu?

 

[Khada]

i agree the reaction is over the top and most likely driven my greed, but...uh... dont cheat?