Poll: It's really time to stop supporting Blizzard

[HellsingerAngel]

Just like to shed some further light on this issue...

Instant Cooldowns(built-in), Unlock Research(built-in), Unlimited Credits(built-in), Minerals(built-in), Gas(built-in), Troops(built-in), Kill Enemy Resources(map editor), Reveal Map(built-in), Instant Build(built-in), Instant Units(built-in), God Mode(built-in), Super Damage(built-in), Unlimited Unit Energy(built-in), Heal Unit/Structures(built-in), Drain Unit/Structures(map editor), Add Kills(map editor), Save/Load Position (Teleport)(built-in), Speed up/Slow Down Units(map editor), Increase/Decrease Fire Rate(map editor), Increase/Decrease Unit Range(map editor), Instant Control of Entire Map(map editor), Control Enemy Units(map editor), Increase/Decrease Mission Timer(map editor).

So everything here can be done within the parameters Blizzard has set. I see no reason to fuss about not using trainers. BUT WAIT! There's more to this an meets the eye...

Made exclusively for Cheat Happens. WRITTEN FOR THE PATCHED (1.1.0.16561) RETAIL VERSION OF THE GAME. May not work with all versions. Read the included readme file with Notepad for important instructions on using the trainer. This trainer features customizable hotkeys. SINGLE PLAYER OFFLINE USE ONLY. USE AT OWN RISK.

So they had a warning up, on Spetember 28th (the release date of this trainer) to not use it online, which is exactly what these people are getting their B.Net accounts banned for. They even had warnings on the August 24th update. This is not news to cheathappens.com people. They're willingly lying to the community about this entire fiasco, trying to place blame on Blizzard for banning people using their programs. Why, you may ask?

Ultimate Trainer 1.1.1.16605 UNLIMITED MEMBERS ONLY!

To fill their own pockets. These trainers are usable only by paying customers to the cheathappens.com site. This is causing frustration within the player base that have paid good money for a product that is recognised as illegal to be online with. So what does cheathappens.com do? Why, point the finger at Blizzard, of course! Anything to muddle the heart of the matter so that people keep paying for their service for other titles. This website recognizes the dangers, they know that work arounds and proper ways to use said trainers without attaching it to your B.Net acocunt, but feel that just blaming Blizzard is easier because then they don't get the flak for something they did wrong.

The article first posted in this thread is a down right lie, as they're telling people they've been banned from playing the single-player game! This isn't true, as that's what Guest sign-in is there for: to circumvent having to register online and not having to authenticate your actions to Battle.Net. Overall, cheathappens.com seems to be the bad guy here and have gotten away with it thus far because the other side happens to be a large corperation. People, get your facts straight and stand up for the one who's in the right here! Support Blizzard like you know you should, because they are morally correct. They've done what needed to be done in the face of cheaters within the online community and cheathappens.com is lying about it.

 

[shintakie10]

Every single offender that got suspended was online durin the time of their trainers bein active. Blizzard has stated over and over again that if you cheat while online you can and will be banned without notice. Whether you played multiplayer or not as long as you are logged onto your battle.net account you are online and any hacks or trainers you use can and as shown will get you at least suspended. If you want to cheat while online, use the galaxy editor or the built in cheat codes. If those are not sufficient for your cheatin needs, sign in as a guest and go offline and cheat to your hearts content.

You're telling me Blizzard had no way of knowing whether they were on multiplayer or not?

You're ignorin what I said. Blizzard stated, outright at that, if you cheat online (not multiplayer, online) you can be suspended or banned at any time without notice. People were online when they cheated, they got banned. Simple as that.

If they didnt want to worry about gettin suspended or banned they should have simple switched to offline mode and continued to do exactly what they were doin before just without the ability to chat to friends or gain acheivements.

 

[Exort]

Acheivements meant nothing last gen and I say people could live without them if they are going to be used to restrict single player games.

It is the new gen that think them matter, I remember in G4 feedback where the host ask the rest, do achievement matters? The new gen said they can 't live without achievement. The exact quote is something like it is not a game without achievement.

 

[SpecklePattern]

It was in the game EULA and also in the press release. (Nobody reads the eula, but I still find places that sums things up for end-user) Everyone who played it had to approve it. So, no I am not with you.

The achievement system of SC2 is somewhat linked to the multiplayer status so it is not only about single player.

And I have never ever understood what cheats are for anyways. If you can't play the game without them... I shall feel some pity for you, whoever you are.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Yes. However, in this case you can have your cake and eat it too. Don't want to play fair? Use cheat codes. Want to mod the game? Use the map editor which has every single tool Blizz uses to create the gameplay, just wrapped up in a tidy GUI. If you honestly feel that you still need to use a trianer after that, sign-in to a Guest account and play offline where you can't harm anyone else. I'm not sure why this isn't sinking in for you or the other warmongers that feel cheated because they cheated and are getting punished for it.

You're right. Because I don't use Blizzard approved cheats I should be banned from the SP. If I actually want to use cheats not made by Blizzard I should be considered a guest. Makes total sense. I mean, I shouldn't have the right to do what I want with my game.

How is Blizzard limiting your ability to edit this game?

It's not letting me edit the game files and they're banning me for using something they did not approve. Hell, I'm not even hurting anybody. It's SINGLE PLAYER. It's MY SINGLE PLAYER. Does it really matter what I do to enjoy MY single player?

Cheat all you like but do so so that people within the multiplayer community are not harmed. This means that a trainer, or rather signing into the online community while using one, is automatically out of the question.

How is the multiplayer community affected again? Does it in any way impede gameplay? The problem with achievements in PC games is that you must maintain an internet connection. Why should I be forced to do so? Why should I partake in a closed network just so that a few people can gloat about their 1000 gamescore?

This is exactly what these people did and I have no remorse for them.

Yeah those fucking assholes. They dared go against Blizzard and play the SP the way they wanted to. Those fucking bastards.

Now, I just had to touch on this, because it is easily the most laughable argument you've put out there. Seriously, you honestly think that's a huge problem? You can mod as the guest account because the trainer activates on your current game and is not dependant on what account you're using.

Why should I be forced to trick the game into thinking I'm a guest in order to play it the way I want to?

. So, even if you wanted to use illegal software editing, you can go right ahead when you're completely offline.

Illegal? How is it illegal again? Also, whilst I can I have to trick the game into thinking I'm a guest, which I'm not.

Then compound that with the fact that you say achievements are frivilous things and online identity doesn't matter to you because you only play Campaign, Skirmish and Challenge, it just smacks of hypocricy when you spout garbage like that.

Online identity? By all means, put achievements in MP if it matters that much to you. Still, in order to put achievements in the SP they sacrificed my ability to do what I want with the game during SP.

What does it matter if you sign-in under Guest1 if you don't care about the online community.

It matters, because I'm not a guest. I am the owner of that particular copy of the game. I should not have to lie to the game I'm a guest.

Are you somehow missing single-player content because of this? No! Can you mod to your heart's content? Yes! Whether that's right or not is up to the individual.

Make the ability to switch your online profile to offline, just like steam allows you to.

 

[Exort]

When my clients pay me it's because I have done a job for them. When people BUY a game they are paying the developer. DRM has nothing to do with a basic trade like that.

And when people pirate games? what happen to the developer do piratebay pay them? Im confused.

 

[loremazd]

Every single offender that got suspended was online durin the time of their trainers bein active. Blizzard has stated over and over again that if you cheat while online you can and will be banned without notice. Whether you played multiplayer or not as long as you are logged onto your battle.net account you are online and any hacks or trainers you use can and as shown will get you at least suspended. If you want to cheat while online, use the galaxy editor or the built in cheat codes. If those are not sufficient for your cheatin needs, sign in as a guest and go offline and cheat to your hearts content.

You're telling me Blizzard had no way of knowing whether they were on multiplayer or not?

You're ignorin what I said. Blizzard stated, outright at that, if you cheat online (not multiplayer, online) you can be suspended or banned at any time without notice. People were online when they cheated, they got banned. Simple as that.

If they didnt want to worry about gettin suspended or banned they should have simple switched to offline mode and continued to do exactly what they were doin before just without the ability to chat to friends or gain acheivements.

What if the government told you that you had to volunteer to shovel snow or you would arrested. Would you have the same attitude "oh well, I have nothing to complain about since they did warn me first".

More overreaction, i'm gonna be real clear on this: YOU CAN PLAY SINGLE PLAYER WITH CHEATS! They put offline mode just for those people. Offline is -exactly- the same as online just you cant get achievements. The banned people CAN PLAY. Every single argument you've made completely ignores this fact.

 

[Exort]

When my clients pay me it's because I have done a job for them. When people BUY a game they are paying the developer. DRM has nothing to do with a basic trade like that.

And when people pirate games? what happen to the developer do piratebay pay them? Im confused.

DRM doesn't stop pirates.

So you think DRM is there for no reason? Why do they spend extra money on it then?
No really DRM is add in to stop pirates. But nothing is unhackable.

 

[Exort]

It's DRM. It's a number that is used to justifiy online DRM in game modes that traditionally haven't had it.

And people wants achievement. So win win?

 

[Atmos Duality]

What if the government told you that you had to volunteer to shovel snow or you would arrested. Would you have the same attitude "oh well, I have nothing to complain about since they did warn me first".

I actually have to shovel snow off my walkway and off the sidewalks (which I don't own) in front of my house, or pay a legal fine due a local ordinance. And they did warn everyone via mailed pamphlets and in the newspaper first.

No joke.

When my clients pay me it's because I have done a job for them. When people BUY a game they are paying the developer. DRM has nothing to do with a basic trade like that.

Your logic doesn't work here.
Why? Because your labor/work cannot be easily replicated and distributed. It can only come from you.
Don't mix up Labor with Capital/Property. They are entirely different animals.

I'm still waiting for you to prove what you claimed earlier; about the DRM being entirely on Blizzard's plate.

 

[C0RV4L0U5]

another boycott huh, Of course it will work this time. Good luck, im going to go continue on the SC2 campaign now.

 

[Vilcus]

People need to read the EULA... I have read the EULA of every game I have ever purchased (I skip the copy paste stuff that's in every single one). I have never once been banned or suspended from a game of any kind. I always make sure to follow the rules that I agreed to upon creation of an account in any service.

The day I stop supporting Blzzard is the day I stop eating and drinking. Blizzard had the legal right to ban the accounts of those who cheated. I do however feel bad for those who were hacked, as I know the pain of being a victim... although I came out ultimately richer after my battle.net account was hacked, so my pain is slightly reduced.

 

[Exort]

DRM is there to put restrictions on you, the paying customer.

For example, if you want to play a multiplayer game against a family member in the same household, previously you could use on disc and play over LAN. Now, thanks to the new DRM each person must have their own copy and their own BNET 2.0 account.

Don't like SC2? Wanna sell it to someone else since you have no use for it? Nope, the restrictions are on you.

That's what DRM is for.

CD-key are DRM but it doesn't do what you say? Im really confused now...
Seriously, DRM is there to make pirate harder.
No you don't own the game content, because owning the game content means you have the right to distribute it, same household doesn't justify you to pirate the game. It is like renting house doesn't give you the right to re-rent the house. People are alien to that idea because they have been doing it for a long time. Selling game is basiclly a long term renting game service in term of law. It is called copyright.

 

[Ranorak]

1) There are perfectly workable cheats in Starcraft 2. They disable achievements.
2)Achievements are not only a way to impress you fellow players, they are also the FIRST thing you see of your opponent, and thus can change your starting tactics. This means, that more impressive achievements have a function.
3)These people cheated JUST for the achievements, thus they broke the rules set by Blizzard.
End of story.

 

[faspxina]

You can cheat all you want (the cheat codes are provided by the game developers) they just don't want you to use hacks.

Indeed, now be a good child and only use Blizzard approved cheats.

Thanks.

I just thought I should throw that out there, so people don't think that Blizzard is banning people just because they use normal cheats. I know I did (though it wouldn't make much sense). xD

 

[Exort]

My labor and DRM are not comparable, take it up with Extort (or whatever) for even bringing that up.

Blizzard added the DRM, not the players. I thought this was a pretty simple concept. I know I didn't receive any survey asking for my opinion about their DRM before release, did you?

That was not me. Anyway Company except thier consumer knowing a little concept known as copyright. I admit copyright is quite complex, but I thought people actully know them these days.

 

[NinjaTigerXIII]

ummmm, I actually agree with Blizzard, I hate cheaters and Blizzard did make it clear that if you cheat you get banned, so how is that wrong? Are you saying that you endorse people getting an unfair advantage in any way shape or form when people who played it the legit way are stupid for not cheating?

 

[Madara XIII]

ummmm, I actually agree with Blizzard, I hate cheaters and Blizzard did make it clear that if you cheat you get banned, so how is that wrong? Are you saying that you endorse people getting an unfair advantage in any way shape or form when people who played it the legit way are stupid for not cheating?

^ THIS

Plus you get extra win for having XIII in ya name

Here's a bag of Crabs

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[PinkiePyro]

meh I have never been all that interested in any of blizzards games and i an glad,
Clearly they have let success get to their heads...

Some of my friends are saying that minecraft is gonna knock Wow off the most played web game slot and I have to say this behavior certainty isn't gonna help Wow keep its spot

 

[Exort]

DRM is there to put restrictions on you, the paying customer.

For example, if you want to play a multiplayer game against a family member in the same household, previously you could use on disc and play over LAN. Now, thanks to the new DRM each person must have their own copy and their own BNET 2.0 account.

Don't like SC2? Wanna sell it to someone else since you have no use for it? Nope, the restrictions are on you.

That's what DRM is for.

CD-key are DRM but it doesn't do what you say? Im really confused now...
Seriously, DRM is there to make pirate harder.
No you don't own the game content, because owning the game content means you have the right to distribute it, same household doesn't justify you to pirate the game. It is like renting house doesn't give you the right to re-rent the house. People are alien to that idea because they have been doing it for a long time. Selling game is basiclly a long term renting game service in term of law. It is called copyright.

Wait, so you think that each person in a household should buy their own copy of a game?

You know when you rent a house on the agreement it clear say only who can live in it? it is just like that. No matter if someone is your parent as long their name is not on the agreement they can't live there. As long it is within copyright law Im ok. Im against thing like can only install 4 times for each CD or such (One person could need to install more than 4 times), but not to stop pirating. The Agreement in the game say only you an use the game like only you can rent this house.