Poll: It's really time to stop supporting Blizzard

[Neuromaster]

Ah, a totally unbiased article from a website that certainly isn't going to lose revenue if blizzard keeps this up!

Starcraft II came with cheats built in. The only real reason to use the trainers was to get achievements with cheats- and achievements grant portraits which you might consider equivalent to tf2's hats in stature. I have no problem with blizzard taking this action, as much as I hate some of the other things they've done. It wasn't even a ban, just a temporary suspension.

There are multiple reasons to "stand up" to blizzard/activision, but this isn't one of them. If anything, this sort of reaction undermines the genuine arguments about actual issues.

This, exactly.

The only reason to use trainers is to get achievements/portraits for multiplayer without earning them. The Cheat Happens website sells these trainers, so they're throwing a hissy fit because Blizz's crackdown threatens their revenue stream.

Players were warned a month ago. Idiots who didn't heed the warning got a suspension, not a ban (as reported by Cheat Happens spin).

This isn't Blizz stomping on the little guy who just wants to use a cheat code to get past that one mission. This is Blizz protecting the integrity of their multiplayer community from hackers who try to claim trophies they haven't earned. This is a good thing, not a bad thing.

 

[Ashkierka]

The fact of the matter is, a boycott against Blizzard is not going to work, period. Yes boycotts can have an effect on companies, when a large portion of their costumers have been inconvenienced.

The people who have ACTUALLY been inconvenienced by Blizzard (even when combined with the people who's only inconvenience is "You nerfed my Pally, now I can't faceroll anymore!!!), those kind of people are all in the minority. Whether you like it or not, Blizzard has a good track record. The majority of Blizzard's customers have no reason to hate Blizzard because they have nothing to complain about.

Yes, as some have mentioned, there are reasons to be angry like LAN or whatever else they said, but most don't care about things like that because it doesn't affect them personally.

And as for people who complain about how it takes Blizzard such a long time to get games out. It's much better than them pushing out a bunch of crappy, mostly unfinished games all the time just to meet demand.

Anyways, Blizzard has done absolutely nothing to me that would make me want to boycott, so I'm afraid I'll have to pass on this one.

EDIT: Oh I would also like to make a point in saying, it's not even a permanent ban, it's only 14 days. So people who got caught cheating have to wait two weeks to get their SCII fix, meaning they have even less of a reason to QQ about it.

 

[loremazd]

So it is your belief that I am renting the game and therefore should not be able to let my GF or son play it unless I "rent" them a copy as well?

Does that work with other things? If I rent or BUY a movie can my entire family watch it or would we need to rent or BUY a copy for each member of the household?

I do hope that Bissel never finds out that we all use the same vacuum in this household. Oh no, we all use the same stove and refrigerator too.

This is all BS, why do so many gamers insist that the game industry deserves all this extra money that no other industry deserves?

This is why I didn't buy Starcraft II, the lack of LAN. I am not going to buy 3 copies of the game to play with family so therefore, I buy none at all. This nonsense doesn't help the industry.

Your refringerator doesn't have copyright (well it does but not that way)
Your movie example is a great example, but go check the agreement of your movie it should say for this household. Therefore they sell the agreement to a whole household, for private use. Therefore from legal standpoint, no you don't need sepert copy of movie for every member of the family. I hope that solve your question with Copyright, again I do understand it is a complex thing. Extra money for the industry? well, no one really stop you from give your account to your family member to play. The old DRM didn't. By the way, do you know how much people got layoff this year alone in this industry?

That's right, I can watch a DVD without "renting" multiple copies and the same should be true of games. Why isn't it?

Can't I rip a DVD and make copies of it? Yes! So what exactly makes the game industry so vulnerable that it needs all this extra income er...I mean protections?

Ok hotshot, lets use a correct analogy. You are not buying a DVD, you're buying a tennis racket. You can place tennis with one racket, just find a wall. However, in order for someone else to play with you you need another tennis racket.

That's so unfair.

A tennis racket can be shared and resold. If every member of my household and all my friends want to use the tennis racket they can and I will not be punished by the maker of the racket.

So, since tennis rackets are obviously like games, I can resell it (game) and loan it out, right?

You can loan a game out to anyone and they can play using your account. You can share single player with your family just fine, not one thing has been done to stop that. In fact, DRM has never been about stopping the loaning of your game to anyone, it's to stop that person from copying it for themselves.

Dvds have -tons- of DRM to prevent copying, you need to get software just to extract the info from the dvd convert it to a media that can be read by your computer, and even then you cant get at the languages or commentaries, or at least it requires an unusual amount of knowhow to do so. Heck, itunes has DRM in the form of the mp4 files, even if there is a workaround in the form of conversion software.

So yes, you are buying a tennis racket that cant be resold, but can be loaned.

 

[Wicky_42]

I disagree with Blizzard's bans of single player cheats - there's NOTHING wrong with that... well, achievement farming, but that makes no real world impact.

That said, some boycott is the wrong way to do things. Talk to Blizzard n see why they're not being reasonable is the way.

 

[loremazd]

A tennis racket can be shared and resold. If every member of my household and all my friends want to use the tennis racket they can and I will not be punished by the maker of the racket.

So, since tennis rackets are obviously like games, I can resell it (game) and loan it out, right?

Tennis racket involve interaction between different person, he is refering to that point, since your movie don't involve interaction cross different player which can't repersent games. You can watch movie "together" but you and your family didn't have any interaction around this media except talking about it? well you can talk about games. So games is like Movie in term of copyright, mutliplayer is interaction which no other media has done before.

I think that if Warner Bros. or Paramount could get away with it, they would try that BS too. Don't let game companies get away with it. Games absolutely can be shared and have been for years, just like movies and sharing them in your household would seem to fall under "fair use".

Here's something to think about. All 3 of us play Wii Sports Resort but we only have one copy of the game. Fair use?

True, but that's the thing, with this game you can play a four player game on one television using Nintendo's console. To play it you need both the console, and a copy of the game, and it can only be played locally. Those are the restrictions. And even then you will have needed to buy 2 more controllers to allow the third and fourth to be able to play it. Those are strict restrictions, when you think about it. That copy of the game can only be played at one location at a time.

With a PC game, sure, LAN is nice, I wish LAN were in. However, without some sort of DRM there is no restriction at all, you just get the game, install it, get a no-cd crack, and give the disc to whomever you want. If you sell Wii sports, you can't play wii sports anymore. If you sold half life in '98, you could still be playing it today.

 

[Exort]

True, but that's the thing, with this game you can play a four player game on one television using Nintendo's console. To play it you need both the console, and a copy of the game, and it can only be played locally. Those are the restrictions. And even then you will have needed to buy 2 more controllers to allow the third and fourth to be able to play it. Those are strict restrictions, when you think about it. That copy of the game can only be played at one location at a time.

With a PC game, sure, LAN is nice, I wish LAN were in. However, without some sort of DRM there is no restriction at all, you just get the game, install it, get a no-cd crack, and give the disc to whomever you want. If you sell Wii sports, you can't play wii sports anymore. If you sold half life in '98, you could still be playing it today.

Xbox, PS, and Wii are basicly DRM in a way. They are way hard to hack then a computer game

 

[bpm195]

I still laugh at all the people taking it up the bum from Blizzard and still supporting them like they're God/Valve.

You don't need to organize a boycott, just make yourself immune by not supporting Blizzard and laughing at the people who still worship them.

 

[Ranorak]

I still laugh at all the people taking it up the bum from Blizzard and still supporting them like they're God/Valve.

You don't need to organize a boycott, just make yourself immune by not supporting Blizzard and laughing at the people who still worship them.

Yes, Laugh at the people that like their games and don't cheat.
Whahahahahah..

 

[Exort]

I still laugh at all the people taking it up the bum from Blizzard and still supporting them like they're God/Valve.

You don't need to organize a boycott, just make yourself immune by not supporting Blizzard and laughing at the people who still worship them.

Wait the company that just add Micro-transaction in a full price game (TF2)? and claim no way to buy power? Yeah, how long does it take you craft a hat or wait it drop, then how long does it take for the RIGHT one to drop. The problem I have it that Online game we sign up for it, when I buy TF2 it didn't say micro-transaction is a part of it, sure they update very very often with big patchs. But I didn't sign up for buying power.

 

[loremazd]

Actually I think i've found my overall point.

You buy a car, you sell that car, you dont have a car anymore.

You buy a game, you sell the game, you cant play the game anymore.

However, our culture has somehow decided that if you buy a game and copy the game, that you should be able to resell it and not lose anything whatsoever. It's entitlement.

 

[rossable]

Cheaters are people without the skill, time, or effort, to beat the game the right way.

or perhaps they just know that games are for fun and are maximizing that effect!?
my biggest complaint with console gaming is the lack of mods/hacks/cheats.
seriously, what's wrong with playing through the game on the easiest setting to experience the story and then hundreds of times again with various tricks being used. i'm not one to equate challenge with fun... and even those that do whined about the difficulty of legendary on reach, that's proven to not be what's fun in a game. p0wning n00bs is what's fun in gaming and cheats are the single player way to be uber-l33t.

 

[masseyguy911]

Well I haven't bought a Blizzard game in a while... I did play WoW for maybe 2 months, and I did buy Starcraft.
Anyway I can see where Blizzard is coming from on this one, so no, I will not support your boycott.

 

[GideonB]

Please don't.

OT: I stopped supporting them when I saw the new EULA for SC2. A license to play "their game". It's like I'm not owning my own copy of SC2.

Did you read other game agreement? All game is like that... Heck even Window Vista, XP, 7, MAC...
You own the "copy" of game but no the game content. It have been like that. Why? owning game content means you can distribute it.

No I mean its a license. Software I understand. Blizzy's EULA also talks about other things I disliked when I read it. But I can't remember them now anyways so yeah lol.

 

[Nosense]

Eh.. all I want is Starcraft and Diablo, and I don't ever feel the need to cheat so I guess I am out of your fledgling boycott. Best of luck trying to get Blizzard's attention though, as being banned for single player hacks is a little intense. Blizzard is run by The Kotick now however, so keep that in mind when you read stories like this.

 

[Exort]

Wait, why is it that you can get a crack for a PC game but you make no mention of that for the Wii?

You can crack the Wii so let's keep it consistent, no cracks on either one.

It is way harder to crack a Wii.
PC games? RXzXr 1911, SXdrXw and such.... (replace some letter with X, so it don't seems Im promoting pirates.)
Download and install that is all.
DRM is never infailable, it is how hard to crack it matters.

 

[Ranorak]

Wait, why is it that you can get a crack for a PC game but you make no mention of that for the Wii?

You can crack the Wii so let's keep it consistent, no cracks on either one.

It is way harder to crack a Wii.
PC games? RXzXr 1911, SXdrXw and such.... (replace some letter with X, so it don't seems Im promoting pirates.)
Download and install that is all.
DRM is never infailable, it is how hard to crack it matters.

Not to mention, cracking a console voids it warranty.

 

[Exort]

Eh.. all I want is Starcraft and Diablo, and I don't ever feel the need to cheat so I guess I am out of your fledgling boycott. Best of luck trying to get Blizzard's attention though, as being banned for single player hacks is a little intense. Blizzard is run by The Kotick now however, so keep that in mind when you read stories like this.

They are hacking to get achievements, they won't get banned if they use build-in cheat codes. It is hacking for achievement that got them banned.

 

[loremazd]

Wait, why is it that you can get a crack for a PC game but you make no mention of that for the Wii?

You can crack the Wii so let's keep it consistent, no cracks on either one.

It is way hard to crack a Wii.
PC games? Razor 1911, Sidrow and such....
Download and install that is all.
DRM is never infailable, it is how hard to crack it matters.

I added to my post, sorry.

It isn't hard to crack a Wii, not at all.

I'm not sure the exact process, but I've known very few people willing to crack open the hardware on their consoles to void their warranty on it. And though now I see you've said there is a way to download it, it's not commonly done, or at least i've personally seen very little of it.

 

[Sinspiration]

Ding! 6 so far! Hyuk hyuk hyuk.. I love it when people actually take me seriously.. XD

 

[Exort]

I added to my post, sorry.

It isn't hard to crack a Wii, not at all. Google Homebrew.

There is a reason Super Street Fight 4 is not coming to PC, the developer blame on DRM, why?
First it is still hard than DL install. Then the problem that most console own only knows insert CD and push power button, compare to PC gamer that definely know how installing works (cuz all PC game need to be installed...). Trust me maybe on this forum everyone knows how to install thing but not every console owners does. And they are already blamed for fail DRM on NDS....