Poll: It's really time to stop supporting Blizzard

[Pendragon9]

Nope. Out of many things Blizzard has done, I must agree with this one.

Stop cheating and learn to play the game as is. If you wanna have fun, use the blizzard cheats from SC1. They're legit, give you any fun you want, and don't require trainers.

If you wanna edit maps or do anything like that, the editor is there.

Come on, stop blaming Blizzard because you don't wanna work.

 

[Exort]

Irrelevant, it can be done easily, probably easier than cracking the DRM on a PC game. Doesn't matter though because in our discussion we are not using cracks. We are using the real CD.

As I said, in a LAN game you can hand the disc off to the next person. In a Wii game, you all play on the same screen. They handle multiplayer differently but they are both local multiplayer and I think they both fall under fair use.

It is definely hard than cracking PC game. Irrelevant as you say then.
You basicly answer you question "because it is on the same screen".
Give out LAN means the network coding for Starcraft 2. Im sure Private server will come but not as soon as give out the networking codes.

 

[Del-Toro]

The measure may be draconian, however, I feel I should remind the OP that when you buy a game you in fact do not purchase the game itself, you don't really own it. What you own is a license to use that game (read the legal stuff at the back of game manuals) which comes with certain limitations. So, if "no cheating or changing the gamewhatsoever" is a limitation on your license and you do just that then tough shit, you should have read the EULA before modifying the source code.

This is about trying to preserve people single player freedoms.

Why does everyone act like everything is a fucking right these days? And enough with this "supporting Blizzard" bullshit. You occasionally make a purchase from them. They get your money, yes, but you get a product. It's a business transaction, not some act of fucking charity.

 

[loremazd]

I added to my post, sorry.

It isn't hard to crack a Wii, not at all. Google Homebrew.

There is a reason Super Street Fight 4 is not coming to PC, the developer blame on DRM, why?
First it is still hard than DL install. Then the problem that most console own only knows insert CD and push power button, compare to PC gamer that definely know how installing works (cuz all PC game need to be installed...). Trust me maybe on this forum everyone knows how to install thing but not every console owners does.

Irrelevant, it can be done easily, probably easier than cracking the DRM on a PC game. Doesn't matter though because in our discussion we are not using cracks. We are using the real CD.

As I said, in a LAN game you can hand the disc off to the next person. In a Wii game, you all play on the same screen. They handle multiplayer differently but they are both local multiplayer and I think they both fall under fair use.

I started a poll covering this: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.238253-Poll-If-you-had-to-buy-a-copy-of-a-game-for-each-member-of-your-household-to-play#8542490

*shrug* fair enough, no LAN is an acceptable reason not to buy a game, I just think boycotting the company for a two week achievement ban for cheating is silly.

 

[Stryc9]

You do realize that using a third party program like a trainer breaks the EULA because making the trainer program requires you to reverse engineer the game, which in itself breaks the EULA right.

Don't break the rules and you won't get banned\suspended, is this such a hard concept to understand?

 

[Digikid]

If it helps kill of ALL of the WOW Franchise then I am all for it.

 

[Sewer Rat]

While I do hate a lot of blizzards actions as of late (ever since Activision bought them to be precise...) but the temptation of SCII and Diablo 3 are just to much for me to boycott them... Damn you blizzard...

 

[Nosense]

Eh.. all I want is Starcraft and Diablo, and I don't ever feel the need to cheat so I guess I am out of your fledgling boycott. Best of luck trying to get Blizzard's attention though, as being banned for single player hacks is a little intense. Blizzard is run by The Kotick now however, so keep that in mind when you read stories like this.

They are hacking to get achievements, they won't get banned if they use build-in cheat codes. It is hacking for achievement that got them banned.

I know I still think they deserve the ban I just wish that the punishment should fit the crime, but its up to Blizzard what they want to do with their game and what they define as a ban ready offense.

 

[Serum211]

I don't blame Blizzard for this, if they didnt want you to cheat they would never have put cheats in the game. I blame Activision for evrything weird that Blizzard has done with Starcraft II. And im never gonna boycott a Blizzard game. Never gonna happen.

 

[RatRace123]

I'm pretty sure they're well within their rites to stop people from cheating at their games.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Banning people for cheating on Single Player?
That is a serious d*ck move, playing around with your local game a bannable offense... in what universe does that make sense?

 

[thenumberthirteen]

If people cheat to get achievements then they should be punished. I've never played a Blizzard game so I'm not really affected by this ether way.

 

[LightOfDarkness]

Doesn't Blizzard code in single player cheats already? The only ones you really need are terribleterribledamage and smoldersbolds then enter = everytime you start running low on money. Christ, the coded cheats have pretty much everything covered, why would you need a cheat program?

 

[Zanaxal]

You play video games to cheat and get achievements for it? Sad sad ppl.

Anyways just buy a new copy if your stupid enough to cheat and play online mode.

Alot of crap cheats can innavertedly damage server quality also so im all for bannning the unsanctioned cheats.

Hopefully all the people that cheat get fed up and leave blizzard games forever. That way there won't be poeple with 100000 soj rings ruining the trading when it's diablo 3 time.

 

[Zanaxal]

You play video games to cheat and get achievements for it? Sad sad ppl.

Anyways just buy a new copy if your stupid enough to cheat and play online mode.

Alot of crap cheats and trainers and hacks can innavertedly damage server quality in sp also so im all for bannning the unsanctioned cheats.

Hopefully all the people that cheat get fed up and leave blizzard games forever. That way there won't be people with 100000 soj rings ruining the trading when it's diablo 3 time.

 

[LightOfDarkness]

You do realize that using a third party program like a trainer breaks the EULA because making the trainer program requires you to reverse engineer the game, which in itself breaks the EULA right.

Don't break the rules and you won't get banned\suspended, is this such a hard concept to understand?

The player using the program likely didn't make it. You are talking about two separate entities here. Besides, consider other cheating devices. I'll bet Nintendo didn't LET Datel reverse engineer the DS but there is a cheating device for it.

It can also (IIRC) destroy your DS.

Modifying game files=breaking EULA. Just because the player didn't make the program doesn't mean he should be able to use it.

OT: Modifying game files is a bannable offense (if defined as such by some terms of agreement form) so Blizzard is well within their rights to ban him. Besides, why the hell didn't he just use Blizzard's cheats THAT THEY CODED RIGHT INTO THE MOTHERFUCKING SINGLEPLAYER?

 

[cainstwin]

I'm a little mixed on this.

Were they banned from using the cheats PUT in the game?

Or banned for using cheats blizzard didn't make?

Third party software. Blizzard aren't THAT thick. Thus, they were unbalancing the game by unlocking a bunch of achievements, which affects multiplayer.

Oh, then I have no problem with what they're doing.

Sure, achievements don't mean that much, but people are still messing with their creation.

Besides, you have an invulnerability cheat and a bunch of others...Why would you need any more?

Their creation??? Geez, doesn't it count for anything that people BOUGHT the game?

And if as an artist you draw an incredible portrait, then sell it, would you not be pissed if the person who bought it started vandalising it?
EDIT: point still stands but realise that my example wasnt great

 

[Phoenixlight]

To be honest this is one of the few boycotts that I have absolutely no interest in joining. Blizzard made arguably the greatest game of all time (World of Warcraft) and have recently released Starcraft 2 so I quite like them.

 

[Ranorak]

Why should they let people mess with their game... they made it to work a certain way and attached achievements and other rewards for accomplishing it in that way. To cheat it is still going to give you a reward when you didn't earn it? If i choose to hack all acievements to my account on anything with them wouldn't I be in the wrong

Why should Hoover let you mess with the vacuum you bought? They have no choice, buying something gives you some rights. Why do gamers love shooting themselves in the foot. "Duh, I don't want any rights Blizzard, here take my money please"!

Because when you buy a vacuum you physically own that vacuum.
When you buy software, you physically own the disk, but you don't own the software. You are allowed to use it under the conditions the owner of the software.

 

[GamingAwesome1]

While banning an entire account and disabling their game and basically throwing that money they spent on your game down the bin is a tad extreme considering it was only single-player.

But then again, I'm inclined to not even look at a hack website! They cause nothing but problems even for the people who don't use them.

it is a 14 day ban, more like a warning, but of course the people the got ban isn't going to tell you that, since it is clearly Blizzard fault for banning them. really?

Well, if it's just a 14 day ban then that's a effective method of getting their "NO HACKERS ANYWHERE" attitude across.

Yeah cause when I used my Gameshark to completely fill in the license board, at the beginning of the game, on FF 12 SE should have taken my game away from me for 14 days. Right?

Yeah, but that game has no online, or online value.

Their argument is that using trainers that circumvents turning off achievements when using the in-game cheats is hurting the value of achievements and therefore, online.

Some people do genuinely hold value to these achievements and these trainers are hurting that value, hence their decision.

I'm not saying their argument is flawless by any means, but it's not entirely unjustified.