Poll: Kratos VS Ganondorf

[RedDeadFred]

Ganondorf. Kratos is but a child compared to a literal king of darkness who can only be beaten by Hylia's champion wielding the Master Sword or the Arrows of Light. And Kratos doesn't have any of that.

He'd murder half of Hyrule to ask where to get the Master Sword, and then murder the other half to get it. It's what he does, man. He always needs some nonsense McGuffin to kill whoever. He just murders his way to it.

If what someone else in the thread has said is to be believed, Kratos wouldn't be able to wield the Master Sword since he's not exactly a good guy.

I personally don't know much about the lore of either, but I still went with Kratos seeing as he slays gods. Saying that Ganondorf can only be slain by certain things is a little silly to me. Doesn't Kratos wield weapons of the gods themselves? Whose to say those wouldn't be effective. Maybe the Master Sword is the only thing in that universe that can hurt Ganondorf, but that doesn't mean something from another universe couldn't.

 

[FoolKiller]

I have to say, I like the mental image of Kratos breaking the stone pedestal holding the master sword, holding it by the stone that is still attached to the blade and beating the crap out of Ganondorf by swinging the hilt/pommel of the sword at him.

Wow... that actually made me laugh.

And to all those who say that Ganon has only very specific vulnerabilities, please remember that Kratos gets shit done.

No matter what he had to do, Kratos went and did that shit. If they tell him he needs to be worthy to wield the Master Sword then Kratos would spend an eternity becoming worthy, take the sword and beat the living shit out of Ganon. Also, TC Carson's voice would have some badass comments during the beatdown.

 

[Ieyke]

One thing that I've never understood about God of War is how people attribute Kratos leaving Hades as an example of him being unstoppable in comparison to anything.

He dies, as in loses. then gets sent to the afterlife.

He leaves Hades because in this universe it's a thing that is physically possible to do. Anyone of sufficient skill and power can do the same in the God of War Universe. If Link died there he would have the same chance to escape, so would any hero or powerful character. It's comparable to the afterlife of the DBZ Universe as in if you get the chance or permission you can force your way out.

Except the only ones who manage to kill Kratos are gods.
And Link would never manage to escape.

 

[Ieyke]

Ganondorf. Kratos is but a child compared to a literal king of darkness who can only be beaten by Hylia's champion wielding the Master Sword or the Arrows of Light. And Kratos doesn't have any of that. Ganondorf would just go "Who the HELL are you?" before flicking the dumb, bald bastard off his castle.

Kratos is a god who has slaughtered cosmic forces with his bare hands, compared to some loser who constantly gets his ass kicked by a little kid with a sharp piece of metal.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

One thing that I've never understood about God of War is how people attribute Kratos leaving Hades as an example of him being unstoppable in comparison to anything.

He dies, as in loses. then gets sent to the afterlife.

He leaves Hades because in this universe it's a thing that is physically possible to do. Anyone of sufficient skill and power can do the same in the God of War Universe.

Except that in the God of War Universe nobody but Kratos manages to pull this off successfully. By GoW 3 he's so powerful he can walk in and out at will several times, as well as descending to the lowest point of the underworld (Tartarus) and murdering the god that rules over it in the process. He also killed his wife in another game, and Death itself in another one.

 

[TakerFoxx]

Oh. I read this as "Kratos vs. Gandalf." While even more lopsided, I think it would have been pretty interesting.

 

[Winnosh]

One thing that I've never understood about God of War is how people attribute Kratos leaving Hades as an example of him being unstoppable in comparison to anything.

He dies, as in loses. then gets sent to the afterlife.

He leaves Hades because in this universe it's a thing that is physically possible to do. Anyone of sufficient skill and power can do the same in the God of War Universe.

Except that in the God of War Universe nobody but Kratos manages to pull this off successfully. By GoW 3 he's so powerful he can walk in and out at will several times, as well as descending to the lowest point of the underworld (Tartarus) and murdering the god that rules over it in the process. He also killed his wife in another game, and Death itself in another one.

He is the only one who does that because he's the protagonast. not because he's the most powerful though. People escaping the Underworld in Greek Mythology is sort of a thing.

 

[Ieyke]

One thing that I've never understood about God of War is how people attribute Kratos leaving Hades as an example of him being unstoppable in comparison to anything.

He dies, as in loses. then gets sent to the afterlife.

He leaves Hades because in this universe it's a thing that is physically possible to do. Anyone of sufficient skill and power can do the same in the God of War Universe.

Except that in the God of War Universe nobody but Kratos manages to pull this off successfully. By GoW 3 he's so powerful he can walk in and out at will several times, as well as descending to the lowest point of the underworld (Tartarus) and murdering the god that rules over it in the process. He also killed his wife in another game, and Death itself in another one.

He is the only one who does that because he's the protagonast. not because he's the most powerful though. People escaping the Underworld in Greek Mythology is sort of a thing.

Literally only Greek demigods and gods have managed. And of those demigods, Kratos and Heracles are both also full gods.
Theseus is the low man on the totem pole to "ONLY be a demigod", and all three are the sons of the two chief gods, Zeus and Poseidon.

 

[Winnosh]

One thing that I've never understood about God of War is how people attribute Kratos leaving Hades as an example of him being unstoppable in comparison to anything.

He dies, as in loses. then gets sent to the afterlife.

He leaves Hades because in this universe it's a thing that is physically possible to do. Anyone of sufficient skill and power can do the same in the God of War Universe.

Except that in the God of War Universe nobody but Kratos manages to pull this off successfully. By GoW 3 he's so powerful he can walk in and out at will several times, as well as descending to the lowest point of the underworld (Tartarus) and murdering the god that rules over it in the process. He also killed his wife in another game, and Death itself in another one.

He is the only one who does that because he's the protagonast. not because he's the most powerful though. People escaping the Underworld in Greek Mythology is sort of a thing.

Literally only Greek demigods and gods have managed. And of those demigods, Kratos and Heracles are both also full gods.
Theseus is the low man on the totem pole to "ONLY be a demigod", and all three are the sons of the two chief gods, Zeus and Poseidon.

What I mean is that Hades in Greek Mythology is a physical place that you can leave, you just have to be smart, strong, or skilled enough. There are plenty of videogame characters that would qualify as capable of doing such. Kratos doing it is not as big a deal as people make it out to be.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

He is the only one who does that because he's the protagonast. not because he's the most powerful though.

"Oh, Goku only wins because he's the protagonist. Not because he's that powerful."
"Oh, Superman only wins because he's the protagonist. Not because he's that powerful."
"Oh, Herakles only wins because he's the protagonist. Not because he's that powerful."
"Oh, Chuck Norris only wins because he's the protagonist. Not because he's that powerful."

Do you see where I'm going with this?

People escaping the Underworld in Greek Mythology is sort of a thing.

Nope. You're probably thinking of Herakles, who had Hades' permission to borrow Cerberus and take Theseus with him. Or Orpheus, who had Hades' permission to retrieve his diseased Eurydice (and fucked it up). Or Sisyphus, the one guy who actually managed to escape Hades... but got recaptured.

What I mean is that Hades in Greek Mythology is a physical place that you can leave, you just have to be smart, strong, or skilled enough.

It doesn't matter that "it's a physical place". Only three people ever escaped Alcatraz (maybe), did the world go "eh, it's a physical place; anybody smart, strong or skilled could pull it off, technically"?

There are plenty of videogame characters that would qualify as capable of doing such. Kratos doing it is not as big a deal as people make it out to be.

It's a big deal by both the game's and the original source material's standards, so I beg to differ.

 

[Winnosh]

He is the only one who does that because he's the protagonast. not because he's the most powerful though.

"Oh, Goku only wins because he's the protagonist. Not because he's that powerful."
"Oh, Superman only wins because he's the protagonist. Not because he's that powerful."
"Oh, Herakles only wins because he's the protagonist. Not because he's that powerful."
"Oh, Chuck Norris only wins because he's the protagonist. Not because he's that powerful."

Do you see where I'm going with this?

People escaping the Underworld in Greek Mythology is sort of a thing.

Nope. You're probably thinking of Herakles, who had Hades' permission to borrow Cerberus and take Theseus with him. Or Orpheus, who had Hades' permission to retrieve his diseased Eurydice (and fucked it up). Or Sisyphus, the one guy who actually managed to escape Hades... but got recaptured.

What I mean is that Hades in Greek Mythology is a physical place that you can leave, you just have to be smart, strong, or skilled enough.

It doesn't matter that "it's a physical place". Only three people ever escaped Alcatraz (maybe), did the world go "eh, it's a physical place; anybody smart, strong or skilled could pull it off, technically"?

There are plenty of videogame characters that would qualify as capable of doing such. Kratos doing it is not as big a deal as people make it out to be.

It's a big deal by both the game's and the original source material's standards, so I beg to differ.

I think you misunderstand what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that Kratos can only do it because he's the main character. I'm saying that he's the only character to do it because other people aren't the main characters and as such they don't NEED to do it. He should very much be able to escape.

I'm not saying it's impossible. An easier explination would be this. Do you think that if you tried putting Dante, Bayonetta, Link, Raiden from MGS or any number of OP game heroes in the same situation that they couldn't escape it in the same way?

 

[J Tyran]

I don't know what "titanite shards" are, but I don't think they'd work. According the the Zelda Wiki "the only one capable of defeating Ganon is the Hero chosen by the goddesses." As mentioned above, there is no way Din, Nayru, and Farore would ever find Kratos worthy.

Kratos would just murder and torture those Gods until they changed their mind and found him worthy, then he would get his energy back up with some maidens in bed before getting some breakfast and going off to find Ganondorf.

 

[Winnosh]

I don't know what "titanite shards" are, but I don't think they'd work. According the the Zelda Wiki "the only one capable of defeating Ganon is the Hero chosen by the goddesses." As mentioned above, there is no way Din, Nayru, and Farore would ever find Kratos worthy.

Kratos would just murder and torture those Gods until they changed their mind and found him worthy, then he would get his energy back up with some maidens in bed before getting some breakfast and going off to find Ganondorf.

The Godesses aren't on Hyrule. That's the whole point of the Triforce. It's an example of their will. Unless you're saying Kraytos is going to torture three triangles.

 

[Timeless Lavender]

Is it bad that I choose Ganondorf because I hate Kratos and see him as a moron >_> (I hate GOW)

 

[Ieyke]

Do you think that if you tried putting Dante, Bayonetta, Link, Raiden from MGS or any number of OP game heroes in the same situation that they couldn't escape it in the same way?

Of those, Raiden is questionable. Link has no chance in Hades.


And no, Kratos doesn't need to be worthy. He's literally more powerful than the will of the gods. That's kind of his whole thing.

"You're not worthy and you need the Master Sword to kill Ganon" says a god to Kratos
*Kratos proceeds to not give a shit, wields the Master Sword ANYWAYS, and then murders Ganon with the Blades Of Athena....just to make a point*

Gods telling him what he can and can't do literally ALWAYS ends with Kratos killing that god and doing it anyways. That's the entire premise of God Of War.