Poll: L4D2 DLC-ified.... the ramifications.

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grimsprice

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Ok, so failed thread failed.
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Ok, to start i would like to apologize for making yet another Left 4 Dead 2 thread today, or this week... or this month for that matter. However posting this breakdown on page 4, 5, 17, or 87 bazillion of an existing thread would do little to no good to bring it to the attention of these thick headed dissenters. So i ask you to overlook the annoyance, and use this as a reference to anyone who brings up this discussion. Ok to the meat of the thing...

If Valve, in their chocolaty goodness, decided to break Left 4 Dead 2 down into DLC, they would do so with the best of intentions, grouping things that go together, and trying to deliver the masses exactly what they want, nothing more. So what would DLC with this content look like? Well surely it wouldn't be all in one bundle, thats way to big to be DLC. They would of course break it down, fallowing what one might say is loosely "industry standards".

DLC #1: Map pack DLC, in addition to the map DLC they are already adding to left 4 dead, they would of course be adding the maps found in Left 4 Dead 2. Based on the DLC they have already released, its content, and price. One could guess that 2 of the L4D2 maps would be bundled together for 800 Microsoft Points.

DLC #2: The other maps, i've heard their are 5, so what the hell? I'll even give you the third one free. 800 MSP. (though it would probably be 1200.)

DLC #3: New weapons! With the 3 different shotguns, 2 different UZI's, 3 different assault rifles, 2 different hunting rifles, new magnum gun, new biobomb, new defibrillator, new adrenaline, and the grenade launcher! As apposed to the original 5 weapons, and none of the "new" items i listed. Lets say about another 800 MSP, just to make up for the free-be above.

DLC #4 The melee weapons! Yes, this may just be an opinion, but i'd say from a programmer's perspective, the new melee combat would have to be its own DLC. With all the melee weapons we'll find throughout the game, this would have to be its own DLC, its not simply re-skinning weapons and changing their projectile variation, this is a whole new area of fighting.

DLC #5: New Characters! With the 3 new Special infected, the new boomer/smoker skins, the witch walking, the uncommon infected (new ones for each of the old maps too maybe???). And the 4 new survivors, interpersonal dialogue for each of the new to old characters, (they'd have to drag the old voice actors back in for dialogue updates.) This would probably run 1200, but i'll give it to you for DLC price, another 800 MSP.

This has actually turned out to be a totally worthless thread, now i shall conduct a scientific consensus. Do you think i am for the DLC-ing of L4D2? Or not? be sure to pay attention to my last paragraph and the words used in the title of the thread.

DLC #6: The new game modes, the scavenger mode? Whatever that is... and the other one i can't remember or be bothered to look up. (i've heard its just a new spin on campaign). 800 MSP.

DLC #7: This i'm going to not give a price to, lets say this is just a free update because valve is such an awesome company. This would include a slight graphics upgrade, the new splatter physics, the new chunks of infected flying and updates to all the levels for the new and updated AI director. (remember, the one true god can now change the level arrangement. Just to fuck with you).

So what would the DLC for Left 4 Dead run? based on how you shmuch some of my DLC's together, like 3 and 4... You'd get either 4000, or 4800, which would run you about 60 dollars, or 72, or 84 if #7 (The new AI director0 got released as another 800 pointer.

You know what, if you actually read this, include the word duck in your post, because i'd like to know who actually read it, rather than just saying they hate me because they didn't even bother to read the title completely.

So its the same price (or more) as a retail game? So what? Well, for online and lan games, your PC/Xbox would have to do a check to make sure everyone has All the DLC's, you could only play with someone who had the same combination of DLC. You couldn't load a map and play it without the new characters, weapons, or special infected unless everyone in the party had the DLC. Releasing that many DLC's would fuck up the online. And if its all in one, or free, as some of you might say, then what are they going to charge for it? Full retail price? Less? You're still left with a huge chunk of people without it who can't play with anyone else online. And if its free, what is Valve going to pay all the people who made it?
 

Midniqht

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Theyre not gonna break it up into DLC. Really... think about it. It's an entirely different game, which is bigger than the entirety of the first. It would be a terrible move, let alone stupid, to make L4D2 all DLC for the original. Where the hell did this sort of mentality originate? Someone fill me in
 

grimsprice

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Midnight0000 said:
Theyre not gonna break it up into DLC. Really... think about it. It's an entirely different game, which is bigger than the entirety of the first. It would be a terrible move, let alone stupid, to make L4D2 all DLC for the original. Where the hell did this sort of mentality originate? Someone fill me in
Thats what i said. Lol. Idk where this mentality comes from, but its stupid. I just wanted to show them why it would be stupid.
 

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I see where your coming from, the retail is definately prefferable to all-DLC so all of the whiners have even more of a reason to shut up. Oh, and I thought you'd like to know, Three Dog basically guaranteed that vote of mine ^^
 

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Its mostly the pc gamers that are complaining I think because they would get it for free. But im fine with the new game would of been way too much dlc although im sad I lost my old survivors :(.
 

FallenJellyDoughnut

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Most people hate you judging by the poll results. Anyway, I think having it as a sequel is much better than having it as a DLC, mostly because it would require that I have L4D in the first place, meaning that I would have to pay for two games instead of one, also because it would require a hell of a lot of coding and updates considering how many effects where changed. Over all I think the Cons outweigh the Pros and it would drop sales significantly.

Plus, if it where a DLC then I wouldn't be able to play as Coach :(
 

grimsprice

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FallenJellyDoughnut said:
Most people hate you judging by the poll results. Anyway, I think having it as a sequel is much better than having it as a DLC, mostly because it would require that I have L4D in the first place, meaning that I would have to pay for two games instead of one, also because it would require a hell of a lot of coding and updates considering how many effects where changed. Over all I think the Cons outweigh the Pros and it would drop sales significantly.

Plus, if it where a DLC then I wouldn't be able to play as Coach :(
I think most people didn't read it. Most people think I want them to dlc it. Most people voted on the poll without even trying to understand what my post was about...

1 person... bless his soul, one person, 2 if you really knew what i was on about...
 

Kollega

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It makes a bit less sense for a PC,since here updates are free. But it is an entirely new game,so we can't really blame them. If only they updated the first one with a minimum - new weapons,infected,and dismemberment physics. They are already programmed,aren't they?
 

Twilight_guy

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grimsprice said:


Ok, so failed thread failed.
All my base now belong to you.
If you want to read fail thread. then open the spoiler and be as-salted by the wall of text. Warning, ingesting to much salt may result in death.
Ok, to start i would like to apologize for making yet another Left 4 Dead 2 thread today, or this week... or this month for that matter. However posting this breakdown on page 4, 5, 17, or 87 bazillion of an existing thread would do little to no good to bring it to the attention of these thick headed dissenters. So i ask you to overlook the annoyance, and use this as a reference to anyone who brings up this discussion. Ok to the meat of the thing...

If Valve, in their chocolaty goodness, decided to break Left 4 Dead 2 down into DLC, they would do so with the best of intentions, grouping things that go together, and trying to deliver the masses exactly what they want, nothing more. So what would DLC with this content look like? Well surely it wouldn't be all in one bundle, thats way to big to be DLC. They would of course break it down, fallowing what one might say is loosely "industry standards".

DLC #1: Map pack DLC, in addition to the map DLC they are already adding to left 4 dead, they would of course be adding the maps found in Left 4 Dead 2. Based on the DLC they have already released, its content, and price. One could guess that 2 of the L4D2 maps would be bundled together for 800 Microsoft Points.

DLC #2: The other maps, i've heard their are 5, so what the hell? I'll even give you the third one free. 800 MSP. (though it would probably be 1200.)

DLC #3: New weapons! With the 3 different shotguns, 2 different UZI's, 3 different assault rifles, 2 different hunting rifles, new magnum gun, new biobomb, new defibrillator, new adrenaline, and the grenade launcher! As apposed to the original 5 weapons, and none of the "new" items i listed. Lets say about another 800 MSP, just to make up for the free-be above.

DLC #4 The melee weapons! Yes, this may just be an opinion, but i'd say from a programmer's perspective, the new melee combat would have to be its own DLC. With all the melee weapons we'll find throughout the game, this would have to be its own DLC, its not simply re-skinning weapons and changing their projectile variation, this is a whole new area of fighting.

DLC #5: New Characters! With the 3 new Special infected, the new boomer/smoker skins, the witch walking, the uncommon infected (new ones for each of the old maps too maybe???). And the 4 new survivors, interpersonal dialogue for each of the new to old characters, (they'd have to drag the old voice actors back in for dialogue updates.) This would probably run 1200, but i'll give it to you for DLC price, another 800 MSP.

This has actually turned out to be a totally worthless thread, now i shall conduct a scientific consensus. Do you think i am for the DLC-ing of L4D2? Or not? be sure to pay attention to my last paragraph and the words used in the title of the thread.

DLC #6: The new game modes, the scavenger mode? Whatever that is... and the other one i can't remember or be bothered to look up. (i've heard its just a new spin on campaign). 800 MSP.

DLC #7: This i'm going to not give a price to, lets say this is just a free update because valve is such an awesome company. This would include a slight graphics upgrade, the new splatter physics, the new chunks of infected flying and updates to all the levels for the new and updated AI director. (remember, the one true god can now change the level arrangement. Just to fuck with you).

So what would the DLC for Left 4 Dead run? based on how you shmuch some of my DLC's together, like 3 and 4... You'd get either 4000, or 4800, which would run you about 60 dollars, or 72, or 84 if #7 (The new AI director0 got released as another 800 pointer.

You know what, if you actually read this, include the word duck in your post, because i'd like to know who actually read it, rather than just saying they hate me because they didn't even bother to read the title completely.

So its the same price (or more) as a retail game? So what? Well, for online and lan games, your PC/Xbox would have to do a check to make sure everyone has All the DLC's, you could only play with someone who had the same combination of DLC. You couldn't load a map and play it without the new characters, weapons, or special infected unless everyone in the party had the DLC. Releasing that many DLC's would fuck up the online. And if its all in one, or free, as some of you might say, then what are they going to charge for it? Full retail price? Less? You're still left with a huge chunk of people without it who can't play with anyone else online. And if its free, what is Valve going to pay all the people who made it?
...owned?

Anyways, your right about makeing the game as DLC being a stupid idea. I agree that L4D2 needs to be a new game but I already-Hunter! Duck!!!!!-thought that beforehand. There is just too much content for L4D2 to simply be a DLC.
 

theownerer

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ppl need to learn to read before posting, this is directed to all the people who complain that it should of been dlc and not a new game. He explains why it cant be dlc and even if it somehow was it would cost the same and it would be very hard to get games going.

Edit: Ha i see you switched the "yes and i hate you" to "yes because i didnt read the post"
 

Inco

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Kinda funny how people are reacting in the wrong way, which proves that they did not read the post correctly or at all.

Really, for the people who did not read it, i did read the whole thing and this user is trying to explain why DLC would be a disaster if they tried to release the full game in that format. How it would also be about the same price overall as the retail version and yet will have to be DLed in separate parts which will damage the games playability (game play bugs due to incompatibility between all the versions).

It was a well laid out argument, its just unfortunate that alot of the escapist community nowadays seem to do this more frequently. Like a short, overdone thread will get heaps of replies, yet a nice well laid out argument will be incorrectly criticized and get no attention.

It doesn't really promote the discussion that these forums are built for since this is occurring.
 

lostclause

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Mallard. Good work on this one, it's nice to see a L4D2 thread with a fair amount of thought. You might want to add that if they released it as dlc for pc then they'd make no money off it and so it would be a wasted effort.