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rockyoumonkeys said:
Soushi said:
(ie: some harmless name changing)
Harmless name-changing indeed.

Except, apparently, when EA does it. ZING!
But if the name changing is covering something bigger, Ie: censorship and this plauge of politial correctness, then it becomes not so harmless. The name changing is just the tip of the iceburg, its what is underlying that really counts.
BTW: it is up to other people to decide wether it is 'zing' or not.
 

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Taliban takes excerpts from the Qu'ran and twist them to fit thier own meaning and stereotypes.
You know who else takes excerpts and twists them? EVERYONE ELSE. Republicans, democrats, christians, atheists, EVERYONE DOES THIS. It is not terrorism.

Soushi said:
rockyoumonkeys said:
Soushi said:
(ie: some harmless name changing)
Harmless name-changing indeed.

Except, apparently, when EA does it. ZING!
But if the name changing is covering something bigger, Ie: censorship and this plauge of politial correctness, then it becomes not so harmless. The name changing is just the tip of the iceburg, its what is underlying that really counts.
BTW: it is up to other people to decide wether it is 'zing' or not.
This is you blowing this crap way out of proportion. As I said before, the whole Taliban thing was a bad decision from the start, and EA fixed it themselves. They misjudged the public's response, and since it's their product, they can change it however they like.

There's no larger menace here. This is not the tip of the iceberg. This is one little ice cube floating in the ocean. There's nothing beneath it, and in a short while it will be gone. If this has any larger implications, it will be better quality control in the future, to prevent such misguided decisions from being made.

This is you acting like a spoiled, insensitive, and entitled child who doesn't care about anyone but himself.
 

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Soushi said:
freedomweasel said:
Soushi said:
yeah, but these kinds of people already think we are horrible, so i don't see any harm in doing something that will piss them off a little more, or even show them that we won't tolerate thier bullshit without dishing out some of our own.


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*sigh* you're acting like i am saying we should burn down EA headquarters or something. What i am suggesting is that we do something, any little thing, that will show these people that we have the right to make our own desicions and that we are about done putting up with thier baloney. I am all for a moderate, peaceful dialouge where issues are discussed rationally, but to do that, you have to make an assertion of your side of the issue, exactly what i am trying to do with this idea. Take from it what you will, but i still hold to the idea that if we go to the level of complacent that it will take for these people to not htink of gamers as horrible we would have to pack away the controllers for good.
So, my idea;
arbitrary: probably.
Harmless: Definetly.
Peaceful: Yep.
Chance of sucess: Not particularily high.
Extreme: Well... maybe a tiny bit.
Westbro Baptist Level of Extreme: Not a chance in hell.
I'm mostly concerned that your response to people thinking gamers are horrible, is act in ways that could encourage the stereotype. If your action is arbitrary and has no chance of success (what are you even trying to achieve?), but serves to further a negative stereotype of gamers, what are you really doing this for?
Your argument seems to be circular. You seem to be suggesting that by standing up and voiceing our concerns in whatever way we can (ie: some harmless name changing), we are enforcing a negative stereotype. So, by standing up for ourselves, we lose. On the other side of the coin, if we don't do anything and let these people do whatever they want, we lose because they will start making our desicions for us.
As for what i am trying a accomplish, just trying to express frustration at what i see as a double standard that is bordering very close on censorship, and encouraging others to do the same. I'm not trying to start a fight, not tryng to get peoples knikers in a twist, jsut trying to express some frustration.
If it seems circular I'm probably not explaining it well enough, I'm sorry. This is what I am saying:

If you have a problem with the game or EA along the lines of "you should have stood up for gaming" or "The game lost some potential impact", etc, then by all means, tell EA. What you should not do is take part in passive-aggressive "so there"/last word/petty remarks which do nothing but further the stereotype that gamers are immature and have a massive sense of entitlement.

You yourself said that you don't see harm in doing something that "will piss them off a little more". That is what I am saying is not helpful. Voice your opinion, but do it in a way that is not offensive for the sake of being offensive, that is what the protesters saw the game as in the first place, all this does is prove the point.
 

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I have a better idea: don't buy the game xD

Even if this idea worked, it won't really matter because they will already have your money, won't they?

And they couldn't be happier.
 

Soushi

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rockyoumonkeys said:
Soushi said:
Taliban takes excerpts from the Qu'ran and twist them to fit thier own meaning and stereotypes.
You know who else takes excerpts and twists them? EVERYONE ELSE. Republicans, democrats, christians, atheists, EVERYONE DOES THIS. It is not terrorism.

Soushi said:
rockyoumonkeys said:
Soushi said:
(ie: some harmless name changing)
Harmless name-changing indeed.

Except, apparently, when EA does it. ZING!
But if the name changing is covering something bigger, Ie: censorship and this plauge of politial correctness, then it becomes not so harmless. The name changing is just the tip of the iceburg, its what is underlying that really counts.
BTW: it is up to other people to decide wether it is 'zing' or not.
This is you blowing this crap way out of proportion. As I said before, the whole Taliban thing was a bad decision from the start, and EA fixed it themselves. They misjudged the public's response, and since it's their product, they can change it however they like.

There's no larger menace here. This is not the tip of the iceberg. This is one little ice cube floating in the ocean. There's nothing beneath it, and in a short while it will be gone. If this has any larger implications, it will be better quality control in the future, to prevent such misguided decisions from being made.

This is you acting like a spoiled, insensitive, and entitled child who doesn't care about anyone but himself.
Besides, since i am argueing that there is something beneath the surface, something that goes far beyond the simple name change, something that has the potential to influence far more than just one game, your final argument is fundamentaly flawed (or at the very least circular). I could be mistaken, i am open to that possibility, but i am still arguing over principle, not for my own presonal gain or experience.

Anyways, this is your opinion and you have a right to think that way. I might disagree with you, but hey, that's jsut the way things go. Heck, i agree with you, i hope this is all over nothing and there is nothing below the surface. I am more than willing to discuss this with you, all i ask is that you don't have this disolve into name calling.
 

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rockyoumonkeys said:
No exaggeration, this is the #1 dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
You've not been around the internet very long have you? I mean, sure, this idea is dumb, but Number 1? The dumbest among all others? King of Dumb Ideas?

Nah, not even close.

OP: If you want to get EA's attention, have you, your friends, anyone, write letters. Don't send e-mails. Don't make an online petition. Send them actual, physical paper letters with ink and everything.

I find it's far more effective to get your point across and shows a level of devotion to your cause above that of signing an internet petition.
Hehe, spam their mailboxes so they can't move anymore =D
 

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rockyoumonkeys said:
ImprovizoR said:
rockyoumonkeys said:
No exaggeration, this is the #1 dumbest thing I've ever heard of.
Dumber than aromatic toilet paper? I mean, you wipe your ass with it so why does it have to smell nice?
So that it makes your ass smell nice. DUH.
Why would you want people to smell your ass?

Meh, I won't be participating in this, well, I probably won't be making the purchase regardless. Like some one else said, modders will just change the name back if they felt like it, but most likely will turn them into zombies first.
 

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From what I gathered from the beta, MoH multiplayer is garbage anyway so it hardly matters for me.
 
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rockyoumonkeys said:
Soushi said:
rockyoumonkeys said:
Soushi said:
yeah, but these kinds of people already think we are horrible, so i don't see any harm in doing something that will piss them off a little more, or even show them that we won't tolerate thier bullshit without dishing out some of our own.
That's right, just keep reinforcing the stereotype. Good work.
Aha, but just like i will never be able to convince you that this idea of mine is good, they will never be convinced that gamers are to be respected, or that we have our own sensibilities that don't need to be reinforced by others, or that we can tell what is good and what is bad on our own.
So just to be clear here, you are in favor of reinforcing this negative stereotype of gamers?
That's what I'm getting from this. And man do I hate video game player stereotypes.

OT: As far as this goes, honestly I can't say that I really agree, It's just a name afterall. Would I think Team Fortress 2 is any less awesome if they changed the team names to Team Banana and Team Thumb instead of Blue Team and Red Team? No because the game is still awesome, the gameplay is still the same. As far as your plan goes if you are going to do something letters would work best (it was said above somewhere I don't know by who or where but you have credit for the idea, when I find it again I'll edit it into this space) emails are easy to ignore, I have something like 3 or 4 hundred in my inbox. Plus I mean, other than my friends on Live or on whatever Sony's online service is called now (PSN?) I really don't pay attention to gamertags, this would be lost on me completely unless one of my like 4 friends on live ( I don't play online much) did this. Beyond that, and I'm pulling this out of my ass here, but somehow I doubt that the suits and decision makers are necessarily the ones who will be playing the game, not to say that there wouldn't be any. Think logically here, lets say that the people who made the change all played it online, it's a fairly large community. Now lets say that you get a few people to go along with it do you really think that they are going to play and be all like "ZOMG HE HAS TALIBAN IN HIS NAME!!!?!?!?!?!?! TEH REVOLUTION IS NIGH". No, just no, I doubt you'd get any response.

Anyways I apologize for the little rant there people, stuff like this just bothers me sometimes. I also apologize for the capslock thing there, but I think it works, also my spelling is probably atrocious.
 

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Soushi said:
rockyoumonkeys said:
Soushi said:
Taliban takes excerpts from the Qu'ran and twist them to fit thier own meaning and stereotypes.
You know who else takes excerpts and twists them? EVERYONE ELSE. Republicans, democrats, christians, atheists, EVERYONE DOES THIS. It is not terrorism.

Soushi said:
rockyoumonkeys said:
Soushi said:
(ie: some harmless name changing)
Harmless name-changing indeed.

Except, apparently, when EA does it. ZING!
But if the name changing is covering something bigger, Ie: censorship and this plauge of politial correctness, then it becomes not so harmless. The name changing is just the tip of the iceburg, its what is underlying that really counts.
BTW: it is up to other people to decide wether it is 'zing' or not.
This is you blowing this crap way out of proportion. As I said before, the whole Taliban thing was a bad decision from the start, and EA fixed it themselves. They misjudged the public's response, and since it's their product, they can change it however they like.

There's no larger menace here. This is not the tip of the iceberg. This is one little ice cube floating in the ocean. There's nothing beneath it, and in a short while it will be gone. If this has any larger implications, it will be better quality control in the future, to prevent such misguided decisions from being made.

This is you acting like a spoiled, insensitive, and entitled child who doesn't care about anyone but himself.
Besides, since i am argueing that there is something beneath the surface, something that goes far beyond the simple name change, something that has the potential to influence far more than just one game, your final argument is fundamentaly flawed (or at the very least circular). I could be mistaken, i am open to that possibility, but i am still arguing over principle, not for my own presonal gain or experience.

Anyways, this is your opinion and you have a right to think that way. I might disagree with you, but hey, that's jsut the way things go. Heck, i agree with you, i hope this is all over nothing and there is nothing below the surface. I am more than willing to discuss this with you, all i ask is that you don't have this disolve into name calling.
My argument is neither flawed nor circular. I'm telling you flat out that you're blowing this out of proportion, that there's no larger problem, that this isn't the tip of the iceberg. This is one decision EA made to change something that SHOULD have meant more to families of fallen soldiers than to people playing the game. As I've already explained repeatedly, it has zero impact on the game or the gameplay or your enjoyment of the game. It's something you probably wouldn't even have noticed if they hadn't announced it. But it's something that meant a lot to the families of those soldiers, and if making the change makes them more comfortable, I can't understand why we wouldn't all support such a change! After all, what have we really lost? NOTHING. We still get the game. We still get the multiplayer. We just don't get the juvenile pleasure of saying we're the "Taliban".

It just appears that game companies have so fallen over themselves to be as "realistic" and "accurate" as possible, that they completely forgot to take into consideration the feelings of the people who are actually affected by these wars.

The problem is that people who go off about "political correctness" are just giving the impression that they're only concerned with their right to be completely insensitive towards others. People who go off about "censorship" have completely misread this entire situation.

You shouldn't WANT to make this such a huge deal. Like I said, all you're really doing is making yourself look selfish, insensitive, and entitled. You SHOULD want to say "it's a tiny change that has no effect on how fun the game is, and if it makes some families feel better, I'm all for it. Good to see that EA is capable of biting the bullet and correcting a bad decision." I seriously don't understand the mindset of someone who can get so upset about something like this.
 

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I can see why EA decided to change the name. It's seven letters; it might seems like it's giving Jack Thompson think his oppressive maneuvers actually work, but it's probably because it's just not worth it.
 

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freedomweasel said:
Soushi said:
freedomweasel said:
Soushi said:
yeah, but these kinds of people already think we are horrible, so i don't see any harm in doing something that will piss them off a little more, or even show them that we won't tolerate thier bullshit without dishing out some of our own.


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*sigh* you're acting like i am saying we should burn down EA headquarters or something. What i am suggesting is that we do something, any little thing, that will show these people that we have the right to make our own desicions and that we are about done putting up with thier baloney. I am all for a moderate, peaceful dialouge where issues are discussed rationally, but to do that, you have to make an assertion of your side of the issue, exactly what i am trying to do with this idea. Take from it what you will, but i still hold to the idea that if we go to the level of complacent that it will take for these people to not htink of gamers as horrible we would have to pack away the controllers for good.
So, my idea;
arbitrary: probably.
Harmless: Definetly.
Peaceful: Yep.
Chance of sucess: Not particularily high.
Extreme: Well... maybe a tiny bit.
Westbro Baptist Level of Extreme: Not a chance in hell.
I'm mostly concerned that your response to people thinking gamers are horrible, is act in ways that could encourage the stereotype. If your action is arbitrary and has no chance of success (what are you even trying to achieve?), but serves to further a negative stereotype of gamers, what are you really doing this for?
Your argument seems to be circular. You seem to be suggesting that by standing up and voiceing our concerns in whatever way we can (ie: some harmless name changing), we are enforcing a negative stereotype. So, by standing up for ourselves, we lose. On the other side of the coin, if we don't do anything and let these people do whatever they want, we lose because they will start making our desicions for us.
As for what i am trying a accomplish, just trying to express frustration at what i see as a double standard that is bordering very close on censorship, and encouraging others to do the same. I'm not trying to start a fight, not tryng to get peoples knikers in a twist, jsut trying to express some frustration.
If it seems circular I'm probably not explaining it well enough, I'm sorry. This is what I am saying:

If you have a problem with the game or EA along the lines of "you should have stood up for gaming" or "The game lost some potential impact", etc, then by all means, tell EA. What you should not do is take part in passive-aggressive "so there"/last word/petty remarks which do nothing but further the stereotype that gamers are immature and have a massive sense of entitlement.

You yourself said that you don't see harm in doing something that "will piss them off a little more". That is what I am saying is not helpful. Voice your opinion, but do it in a way that is not offensive for the sake of being offensive, that is what the protesters saw the game as in the first place, all this does is prove the point.
I have actaully already sent off several carefully worded greivences to EA, as i am sure many other have, with no response. Sometimes, it seems like the only way to get thier attnetion, to get to the point were we can have a calm and logical discussion on something, is do do something illogical and mildly irritating. It's like protestors who marched against teh G8 and G20, not the most logical thing to do, but at least its gets their message out.

Now, personally, i don't see what i am proposing as offensive but that's just me so feel free to disagree, my point is that i am not doing any of this for the sake of being offensive. I don't even see it as being entitled. Believe it or not my whole greivence is the EA did not stick to thier guns. If they came out with the game were the enemy was labelled "opposing force' or whatever, i would have had zero complaints and htis would have jsut gone away. What i am worried about is the increasing trend of political correctness and (and this may jsut be me) special interest foolishness that borders on censorship.

I agree, that having the Taliban in a game at the time the war is going on, borders on tastless. I'll even agree that it was a silly move in the first place form a marketing standpoint. However, by putting it in thier game, EA made a choice, and to back down becasue of some mud slinging is wrong. To back down in the face of pressure fomr people who seem like they are just looking for a bandwagon to hop on, is not wrong and even dangerous.

I don't care if you disagree with me, fight with me, even insult me if you absolutly must. The way i see it, there is soemthing beneath all of this, something below this seemingly tiny little name change that could threaten freedom of speech for this whole genre. It may seem insignifigant, it may seem small, but to me it is jsut the begining of a movement that this victory has given a lot more power to. This victory has shown certain people, that they can scare and coerce others into changing something that truely does not hurt them. As far as i am concerned we have to stand up against it in whatever way we can. Boycott, namechange, letters, whatever, but one thing is for sure, if we don't stick to our guns then people like Jack Thompson will start winning again and again, and that could do huge damage to the gaming medium.
 

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rockyoumonkeys said:
Soushi said:
rockyoumonkeys said:
Soushi said:
Taliban takes excerpts from the Qu'ran and twist them to fit thier own meaning and stereotypes.
You know who else takes excerpts and twists them? EVERYONE ELSE. Republicans, democrats, christians, atheists, EVERYONE DOES THIS. It is not terrorism.

Soushi said:
rockyoumonkeys said:
Soushi said:
(ie: some harmless name changing)
Harmless name-changing indeed.

Except, apparently, when EA does it. ZING!
But if the name changing is covering something bigger, Ie: censorship and this plauge of politial correctness, then it becomes not so harmless. The name changing is just the tip of the iceburg, its what is underlying that really counts.
BTW: it is up to other people to decide wether it is 'zing' or not.
This is you blowing this crap way out of proportion. As I said before, the whole Taliban thing was a bad decision from the start, and EA fixed it themselves. They misjudged the public's response, and since it's their product, they can change it however they like.

There's no larger menace here. This is not the tip of the iceberg. This is one little ice cube floating in the ocean. There's nothing beneath it, and in a short while it will be gone. If this has any larger implications, it will be better quality control in the future, to prevent such misguided decisions from being made.

This is you acting like a spoiled, insensitive, and entitled child who doesn't care about anyone but himself.
Besides, since i am argueing that there is something beneath the surface, something that goes far beyond the simple name change, something that has the potential to influence far more than just one game, your final argument is fundamentaly flawed (or at the very least circular). I could be mistaken, i am open to that possibility, but i am still arguing over principle, not for my own presonal gain or experience.

Anyways, this is your opinion and you have a right to think that way. I might disagree with you, but hey, that's jsut the way things go. Heck, i agree with you, i hope this is all over nothing and there is nothing below the surface. I am more than willing to discuss this with you, all i ask is that you don't have this disolve into name calling.
My argument is neither flawed nor circular. I'm telling you flat out that you're blowing this out of proportion, that there's no larger problem, that this isn't the tip of the iceberg. This is one decision EA made to change something that SHOULD have meant more to families of fallen soldiers than to people playing the game. As I've already explained repeatedly, it has zero impact on the game or the gameplay or your enjoyment of the game. It's something you probably wouldn't even have noticed if they hadn't announced it. But it's something that meant a lot to the families of those soldiers, and if making the change makes them more comfortable, I can't understand why we wouldn't all support such a change! After all, what have we really lost? NOTHING. We still get the game. We still get the multiplayer. We just don't get the juvenile pleasure of saying we're the "Taliban".

It just appears that game companies have so fallen over themselves to be as "realistic" and "accurate" as possible, that they completely forgot to take into consideration the feelings of the people who are actually affected by these wars.

The problem is that people who go off about "political correctness" are just giving the impression that they're only concerned with their right to be completely insensitive towards others. People who go off about "censorship" have completely misread this entire situation.

You shouldn't WANT to make this such a huge deal. Like I said, all you're really doing is making yourself look selfish, insensitive, and entitled. You SHOULD want to say "it's a tiny change that has no effect on how fun the game is, and if it makes some families feel better, I'm all for it. Good to see that EA is capable of biting the bullet and correcting a bad decision." I seriously don't understand the mindset of someone who can get so upset about something like this.
Once again, i disagree. For whatever reason, i do see something far more sinister jsut below the surface. I agree, with you, marking them as Taliban while the war is on is a little insensitive, maybe even tastless, and more than a little foolish form a marketting perspective.

What i want you to understand is, i am not doing this becasue I want to play as the Taliban, nor because i feel entitled to play as them. The name means nothing, that is not the issue here, please understand that. The only reason why i am so upset about this and think others should be too, is that it is just the begining. EA is not caving becasue of some heartfelt conflict of morals after some soul searching, they crumbled becasue they were threated by people who represent special interest groups and who have a political agenda. These are people who truly do not care about wether or not people can play as the Taliban, this is about political victories and political pandering. The change means nothing, the names mean nothing, it is what lies behind that is truely the point here. It is about sticking to your guns in the face of people who aren't interested in the issue they are discussing, merely in the screentime its gets the,, and teh way i see it, there is nothing spoiled or entitled about that.
 

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Soushi said:
I agree, that having the Taliban in a game at the time the war is going on, borders on tastless. I'll even agree that it was a silly move in the first place form a marketing standpoint. However, by putting it in thier game, EA made a choice, and to back down becasue of some mud slinging is wrong. To back down in the face of pressure fomr people who seem like they are just looking for a bandwagon to hop on, is not wrong and even dangerous.
I guess I just don't understand the reasoning. You admit to it being a poor decision, and a silly move to put the Taliban in the game. But you don't like that they changed their mind?

This all just seems like a giant issue of "time and a place" mixed with "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". If gamers and publishers really want to make a push to have others see games as legitimate, we should probably pick a game that is less easily pigeonholed into "Shoot US soldiers for points".

In almost any other case I would agree and say "no one has the right to not be offended", but in this case, EA worked closely with the military and marketed that a lot, can't back down now. Second, take a stand where it matters more. Putting the taliban in the campaign was 'edgy' 'ballsy' and 'pushed boundaries' and all that, putting them in multiplayer does absolutely nothing for the game.

But.. agree to disagree, enjoy the game, at least you aren't boycotting it.
 

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freedomweasel said:
Soushi said:
I agree, that having the Taliban in a game at the time the war is going on, borders on tastless. I'll even agree that it was a silly move in the first place form a marketing standpoint. However, by putting it in thier game, EA made a choice, and to back down becasue of some mud slinging is wrong. To back down in the face of pressure fomr people who seem like they are just looking for a bandwagon to hop on, is not wrong and even dangerous.
I guess I just don't understand the reasoning. You admit to it being a poor decision, and a silly move to put the Taliban in the game. But you don't like that they changed their mind?

This all just seems like a giant issue of "time and a place" mixed with "just because you can, doesn't mean you should". If gamers and publishers really want to make a push to have others see games as legitimate, we should probably pick a game that is less easily pigeonholed into "Shoot US soldiers for points".

In almost any other case I would agree and say "no one has the right to not be offended", but in this case, EA worked closely with the military and marketed that a lot, can't back down now. Second, take a stand where it matters more. Putting the taliban in the campaign was 'edgy' 'ballsy' and 'pushed boundaries' and all that, putting them in multiplayer does absolutely nothing for the game.

But.. agree to disagree, enjoy the game, at least you aren't boycotting it.
I (for the most part anyways) agree with a great deal of what you said. It was not a very smart move on EA's part to include them in the first place. I would argue that tip toeing around the loud-mouth busy bodies is only one step away from giving in to them, but that is another issue entirely. I don't even have problem with EA changing the name, i just wish they hadn't done it at the whim of jerks like Thompson, and would even argue that doing that is dangerous to the whole gaming medium, thus the iceberg analogy. Either, way, agree to disagree is fine, its been nice debating with you.