Would you rather live in a world at the current an advancing technological level or would you live in an universe similar to dragon age or Fable where technology is more or less locked at the medieval level but magic is available?
I agree. In fact, I sometimes consider modern technology as magical.tippy2k2 said:"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
Technology all the way.
This is one of the three truths in life, right behind death and taxes.Soleca said:The answer is always steampunk.
http://lesswrong.com/lw/ou/if_you_demand_magic_magic_wont_help/I was pondering the philosophy of fantasy stories, and it occurred to me that if there were actually dragons in our world?if you could go down to the zoo, or even to a distant mountain, and meet a fire-breathing dragon?while nobody had ever actually seen a zebra, then our fantasy stories would contain zebras aplenty, while dragons would be unexciting.
Now that's what I call painting yourself into a corner, wot? The grass is always greener on the other side of unreality.
In one of the standard fantasy plots, a protagonist from our Earth, a sympathetic character with lousy grades or a crushing mortgage but still a good heart, suddenly finds themselves in a world where magic operates in place of science. The protagonist often goes on to practice magic, and become in due course a (superpowerful) sorcerer.
Now here's the question?and yes, it is a little unkind, but I think it needs to be asked: Presumably most readers of these novels see themselves in the protagonist's shoes, fantasizing about their own acquisition of sorcery. Wishing for magic. And, barring improbable demographics, most readers of these novels are not scientists.
Born into a world of science, they did not become scientists. What makes them think that, in a world of magic, they would act any differently?
If they don't have the scientific attitude, that nothing is "mere"?the capacity to be interested in merely real things?how will magic help them? If they actually had magic, it would be merely real, and lose the charm of unattainability. They might be excited at first, but (like the lottery winners who, six months later, aren't nearly as happy as they expected to be), the excitement would soon wear off. Probably as soon as they had to actually study spells.
Unless they can find the capacity to take joy in things that are merely real. To be just as excited by hang-gliding, as riding a dragon; to be as excited by making a light with electricity, as by making a light with magic... even if it takes a little study...
Don't get me wrong. I'm not dissing dragons. Who knows, we might even create some, one of these days.
But if you don't have the capacity to enjoy hang-gliding even though it is merely real, then as soon as dragons turn real, you're not going to be any more excited by dragons than you are by hang-gliding.
Do you think you would prefer living in the Future, to living in the present? That's a quite understandable preference. Things do seem to be getting better over time.
But don't forget that this is the Future, relative to the Dark Ages of a thousand years earlier. You have opportunities undreamt-of even by kings.
If the trend continues, the Future might be a very fine place indeed in which to live. But if you do make it to the Future, what you find, when you get there, will be another Now. If you don't have the basic capacity to enjoy being in a Now?if your emotional energy can only go into the Future, if you can only hope for a better tomorrow?then no amount of passing time can help you.
There's a lot of truth in that, though I disagree about the Future. A person who is unhappy because of specific issues now might well be happier if they'd been born later. Fancy toys won't make them happy, but technological or social progress might have eliminated problems that they currently face.Entitled said:If you demand magic, magic won't help.
http://lesswrong.com/lw/ou/if_you_demand_magic_magic_wont_help/I was pondering the philosophy of fantasy stories, and it occurred to me that if there were actually dragons in our world?if you could go down to the zoo, or even to a distant mountain, and meet a fire-breathing dragon?while nobody had ever actually seen a zebra, then our fantasy stories would contain zebras aplenty, while dragons would be unexciting.
Now that's what I call painting yourself into a corner, wot? The grass is always greener on the other side of unreality.
In one of the standard fantasy plots, a protagonist from our Earth, a sympathetic character with lousy grades or a crushing mortgage but still a good heart, suddenly finds themselves in a world where magic operates in place of science. The protagonist often goes on to practice magic, and become in due course a (superpowerful) sorcerer.
Now here's the question?and yes, it is a little unkind, but I think it needs to be asked: Presumably most readers of these novels see themselves in the protagonist's shoes, fantasizing about their own acquisition of sorcery. Wishing for magic. And, barring improbable demographics, most readers of these novels are not scientists.
Born into a world of science, they did not become scientists. What makes them think that, in a world of magic, they would act any differently?
If they don't have the scientific attitude, that nothing is "mere"?the capacity to be interested in merely real things?how will magic help them? If they actually had magic, it would be merely real, and lose the charm of unattainability. They might be excited at first, but (like the lottery winners who, six months later, aren't nearly as happy as they expected to be), the excitement would soon wear off. Probably as soon as they had to actually study spells.
Unless they can find the capacity to take joy in things that are merely real. To be just as excited by hang-gliding, as riding a dragon; to be as excited by making a light with electricity, as by making a light with magic... even if it takes a little study...
Don't get me wrong. I'm not dissing dragons. Who knows, we might even create some, one of these days.
But if you don't have the capacity to enjoy hang-gliding even though it is merely real, then as soon as dragons turn real, you're not going to be any more excited by dragons than you are by hang-gliding.
Do you think you would prefer living in the Future, to living in the present? That's a quite understandable preference. Things do seem to be getting better over time.
But don't forget that this is the Future, relative to the Dark Ages of a thousand years earlier. You have opportunities undreamt-of even by kings.
If the trend continues, the Future might be a very fine place indeed in which to live. But if you do make it to the Future, what you find, when you get there, will be another Now. If you don't have the basic capacity to enjoy being in a Now?if your emotional energy can only go into the Future, if you can only hope for a better tomorrow?then no amount of passing time can help you.
To extend it some other ways, we have this:Jesterscup said:"Any sufficiently advanced form of magic is indistinguishable from technology" - 7th Doctor