Poll: Male Gamers: Do you consider Kratos aspirational?

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FoolKiller

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2 things I want to emulate...

1. the physical fitness of Kratos is awesome
2. his drive... I don't believe he's necessarily right or just, but the conviction and effort he puts into attaining his goals is inspiring
 

runic knight

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Worth aspiring towards? Got to say no. Mentally, while sympathetic in the first game (driven by grief and rage to pursue a suicide quest to kill a god who tricked him into killing his family is somewhat sympathetic), he went off the deep end and is a complete monster of a man. Emotionally, the complete lack of anything but rage and brooding makes that a no go too. Personality wise, pretty much the same issue as emotionally, only add in a sadistic streak. Physically, while one might assume he represents an ideal, I think he is too much muscle and testosterone. One thing to be fit, another to be roided.

So yeah, all around, not someone I wish I could be. Makes a good character to play as if you want mindless entertainment killing monsters and undead creatures and selfish gods, but that is not about aspiring to be kratos so much as "be the action figure I use to knock around action figures."

Now, if you meant a different kratos, such as say from a Tales game, well, may be a different story there.
 

AWAR

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delta4062 said:
Kratos is always a bad example for this. He's the main character in a series about ancient Greek mythology. He's supposed to look like a Greek statue. All cut physique with plenty of muscle.
Except he doesn't. At all.
He looks like a 21st century body builder.
And the depictions of greek mythology in the game are as accurate as in Xena: The warrior princess.
 

DoctorObviously

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Throughout my gaming life I have seen many hero's that can be an inspiration to others. For example, I find the Space Marines from the Warhammer 40K universe to be the symbol of utter heroism and courage, and therefore are an inspiration to me. Kratos, like many others have pointed out by now, was also in that same lane before he became insane in God of War III.
 

Lychizzle

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I think the topic you're trying to explore is too nuanced to be summed up with a single yes or no question.
 

Smurf McSmurfington

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He is a foolish character, so no.
However, I would like to have his build (I'm reasonably well built, but one can always improve).
 

Hessmn212

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I felt that the first game made him out be a tragic hero seeking redemption for his past actions and killing his family. Every other game after the first one, he has basically become the villain of his own games. Where he was once this great character, he's now just an asshole going around destroying everything 'cause Zeus took his powers away because he was needlessly creating war and destruction.
 

bdeamon

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i kind of think he is a dick for killing people for no reason after Ares, especially poor, stupid Percy
 

Schmeiser

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Personally i enjoyed playing the villain, not every game has to be a pretentious melodrama about some mister nice guy saving the world. People don't like him because he's different and only cares about himself and his "revenge". His physique is great, i feel it's not over the top, it's just right.

Obviously i wouldn't like to go on a murdering spree because im a pacifist but it was fun experiencing the other side :)
 

saxman234

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Damn, I hate Kratos's character. "Yaaa I'm angry! Need revenge! Kill, Kill, But I killed my wife, let me just have sex with all these other woman to output my rage!" The sleeping with woman thing while being all angry about his wife and childs death is really dumb.

A character that is similar, which I do like is Asura from Asura's Wrath. He is similar in that he is angry and fights other gods, but at least he is a good guy and doesn't sleep with every woman. He uses his anger for good!
 

Azure23

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Daystar Clarion said:
Lolno.

Kratos is like the worst male power fantasy.


You know who's the best male power fantasy?



Issun!

"Ah, the wonders of nature! A deep valley between two lofty peaks!"

Hell yes Issun.

Hell yes.
You know what? You, I like.

(very relieved upon seeing the results of the poll, good on you escapist)
 

Azure23

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Jerakynn said:
Bearing in mind that there are a lot of things I find undesirable about Kratos as a character, I am not going to deny that there are some qualities about him that I find to be aspirational, unlike most people in this thread who have focused almost exclusively on his actions.

Kratos is selfish and stupid and homicidal yes, but he is also determined, ambitious and dare I say, unshakably optimistic. He never gives up, he is undaunted by his downright monumental quest to slay the gods of his world, and in a world where the gods themselves are expressly against his interests, he perseveres. Willpower to that extent is in and of itself worthy of praise.

As respectful as I am of his willpower, I am also envious of his strength, mainly his ability to express his will through sheer power, that is the ultimate freedom.

I'm not going to defend his actions but I'm also not going to pretend that his actions render him void of admirable qualities.
Of course it is important to make that distinction, crucial even given the argument. I still voted no however given the phrasing of the question. On one hand, yes, exactly as you said Kratos' characteristics represent the ultimate individual freedom, he's pretty much the god slaying overman. So that is a very aspirational characteristic, on the other hand I still feel like he is a completely unsuitable ideal to aspire to (which was the actual wording of the question). But hey, pretty much everything I know about GoW is secondhand (played the first and dropped it when I realized character action games aren't my thing) so my opinion doesn't matter overmuch anyway.
 

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Moloch Sacrifice said:
As anyone who has been here for any length of time will have noticed, debates on gender equality and depiction in media flare up quite frequently on this forum. One of the key points raised is that whilst female characters (such as Mileena in Mortal Kombat, or Lara Croft in Tomb Raider) are manipulated in order to be sexually appealing to young men, male characters (such as Kratos in God of War, or Marcus Fenix in Gears of War) are manipulated so that they reflect ideals of what said young men want to be. Therefore, I felt it might be worthwhile actually gathering some actual data on the subject.

So, male gamers, let's test you with an example: do you find the character, actions, or appearance of Kratos personally aspirational, or are expressions of characteristics you wish you possessed? If so, please outline what it is about him that you find appealing. If not, outline why you find him so reprehensible.
To give you some help on this, you're not quite framing this one right. It's not necessarily that these male characters represent an ideal version that someone must aspire to. It has to do with the purpose for particular characteristics, as it relates to the idea behind the character.

For instance, whether we aspire to be Kratos or not, his physical presence informs us about his capabilities - he is physically imposing and heavily muscled, so we know from even a casual glance that he is physically capable. His "war paint" style facial decor and his attire tell us that he has a certain primality to him -- this is not a man of peace. So just from that, we know that he is both willing and able to wage war.

The physical appearance of many game characters is intended as shorthand that tells us what that character is good at. Is the character wearing glasses? Probably good at "smart stuff." Wearing plate mail armor? He's good at absorbing incoming damage.

Then we look at, say, zero-suit Samus. What does her physique and clothing choice tell us at a glance? What does her general appearance tell us she's good at? Well... nothing having to do with gadget-centric space bounty hunting. Hell, not even basic marksmanship, or any sort of combat at all. She is designed to look, quite frankly, like she'd be really good for sex. The features that are highlighted are not the ones that make her character capable of the role, but rather the ones that make her sexually appealing.

That's where the line is found that borders on sexualization. Character design in games often comes down to a player being able to say, "Wow, this character looks best suited for X." And when X = "giving a twenty-something male an erection" rather than, say, whatever that character is supposed to be doing?

(Hint: Muscles are used for combat. Breasts aren't. Showing off muscles, then, is about demonstrating strength and combat capability. Showing off breasts is pretty much about sexual utility.)
 

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A lot of people here think kratos just kills for the lulz or something, that isn't entirely true. at first he thought for the glory of his army. raised and trained as a spartan, he was taught the glory of war and combat. His entire personality was made for battle. HOWEVER, the god of war games only happened because kratos sought revenge. He was brutally tricked into murdering his own family, by the very god he was serving. Do note that if you give your soul to a god, you're not getting it back. After Ares finally got what he deserved, kratos stopped the murdering. he only did what the gods asked of him to stop his endless visions of pain and suffrage he had to invoke as a young spartan and divine servant. The worst part is, the gods blatantly lied to him about that. And when kratos finally snapped, and decided to end it all (so he could presumably rejoin his family in the greek idea of heaven, something he already tried once in a psp spinoff, only then the stupid world had to almost end, and guess who had to mop that shit up?), he was made the god of war. He was literally the embodiment of combat. You can't just hang up your chainblades because you don't feel like it, because you're a god, it's your duty. SO Kratos decided to do what he did best. Wage war for the spartan army. However, Zeus stopped him and killed him. You can't reason with a stubborn spartan, and you certainly can't play the boss over him.

So Kratos wanted to kill zeus to get even. He did not intend for 85% of the pantheon to get killed. He tried to reason with poseidon but he had to defend his brother, Hades was too angry with him for killing his wife Persephone, Hephaestus wanted to keep his "child" safe and attacked Kratos, Hercules wanted to defeat kratos to regain his honour, Hera was being a loudmouthed ***** until Kratos finally killed her, after just ignoring her and even just pushing her off. Hermes was an annoying twat who kept on taunting the one man you should not anger, and apollo flat out attacked him, and then tried to lie to Kratos. They could have lived on, but got killed either for zeus, or because they were idiots.

If Persephone had not tried to wreck everything along with atlas (at least that's what i think happened) Kratos would have stayed with his girl in Elysium. He'd be a father, he'd be at peace. He's not a mad guy who brutally murdered everything, he's a complex antihero, who got fucked over really bad quite often. And he's not the type to take it like a slave either, Kratos is THE definition of "don't mess with"

So yeah, he is someone who's perseverant, who's resourceful, who has honed his skill, he's rather intelligent (some of those puzzles did require some logic), He is at the peak of human strength, he's got a certain way with the ladies, he has a very strong code of honour.A ANd he doesn't give up. He will not stop until he has won. He's got flaws, certainly. He has got anger management issues, he's got a very big ego, he's often in a way, disrespectful (but does have respect for those that deserve it). So yeah, Kratos could be worse.
 

Extra-Ordinary

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Heck no.

I admire him in way way, I admire his determination and his sheer willpower that can overcome the very Gods of Olympus. Sure, that doesn't really give him an excuse to kill *everything* that moves.
"Come on, Kratos, those guys are just servants, they're scared of you, they're actively fleeing from you."
But man, when he has a goal, there is no stopping him.
Anyway.
No, he's not exactly a role model for me.
 

Gordon_4_v1legacy

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No, my role models are more like aspects of different characters; the physical prowess of Thor, the intellectual acumen of Captain Picard, the grace under pressure of James Bond.


Or this guy

 

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Dastardly said:
Moloch Sacrifice said:
As anyone who has been here for any length of time will have noticed, debates on gender equality and depiction in media flare up quite frequently on this forum. One of the key points raised is that whilst female characters (such as Mileena in Mortal Kombat, or Lara Croft in Tomb Raider) are manipulated in order to be sexually appealing to young men, male characters (such as Kratos in God of War, or Marcus Fenix in Gears of War) are manipulated so that they reflect ideals of what said young men want to be. Therefore, I felt it might be worthwhile actually gathering some actual data on the subject.

So, male gamers, let's test you with an example: do you find the character, actions, or appearance of Kratos personally aspirational, or are expressions of characteristics you wish you possessed? If so, please outline what it is about him that you find appealing. If not, outline why you find him so reprehensible.
To give you some help on this, you're not quite framing this one right. It's not necessarily that these male characters represent an ideal version that someone must aspire to. It has to do with the purpose for particular characteristics, as it relates to the idea behind the character.

For instance, whether we aspire to be Kratos or not, his physical presence informs us about his capabilities - he is physically imposing and heavily muscled, so we know from even a casual glance that he is physically capable. His "war paint" style facial decor and his attire tell us that he has a certain primality to him -- this is not a man of peace. So just from that, we know that he is both willing and able to wage war.

The physical appearance of many game characters is intended as shorthand that tells us what that character is good at. Is the character wearing glasses? Probably good at "smart stuff." Wearing plate mail armor? He's good at absorbing incoming damage.

Then we look at, say, zero-suit Samus. What does her physique and clothing choice tell us at a glance? What does her general appearance tell us she's good at? Well... nothing having to do with gadget-centric space bounty hunting. Hell, not even basic marksmanship, or any sort of combat at all. She is designed to look, quite frankly, like she'd be really good for sex. The features that are highlighted are not the ones that make her character capable of the role, but rather the ones that make her sexually appealing.

That's where the line is found that borders on sexualization. Character design in games often comes down to a player being able to say, "Wow, this character looks best suited for X." And when X = "giving a twenty-something male an erection" rather than, say, whatever that character is supposed to be doing?

(Hint: Muscles are used for combat. Breasts aren't. Showing off muscles, then, is about demonstrating strength and combat capability. Showing off breasts is pretty much about sexual utility.)
Maybe your breasts aren't used for combat purposes, but mine have lasers so combat wise I have an advantage :p

The fembots also had breast guns, and then there are many large breasted girls that joke about being able to beat people up just by swinging from side to side, then there is combat via the sexual power of breasts usually portrayed in cartoon..

In short my breasts are combat ready :D
 

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blackrave said:
Totally no
I'm more Adam Jensen type
Also I personally prefer sci-fi over fantasy in general

The_Scrivener said:
Would it not be better to ask how many women find his depiction sexualized or objectified? This seems like red herring research.
Why women?
When we talk about female characters, perspective of women has more weight.
But we are currently talking about male character, so reverse situation should be true.
Are you implying that only women can tell if someone/something is objectified?

Because the issue that's been at the forefront for years now isn't about how uncomfortable men are with the objectification and sexualization of video game characters. This is about getting traction on what defends/detracts female gamers and what their opinions and values are regarding this issue.