Poll: Marijuanna
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no if something is addictive its addictive your body forms a need for it its not choice i.e. you form a need for caffine and if you dont have it your body doesnt function the same
Because it's easy to blame a drug than to admit that your close friends might be weak-minded/morons. I'm guessing that they started when they were teens. Marijuana, like most drugs, shouldn't be used while the mind is still developing.a7r0p05 said:
I'll just throw a Hicks quote in here, just for fun(paraphrased).
"Marijuana makes you lazy. Lie. You can do everything high that you would normally, you just realise that there's no point. 'Sure, I could get up at dawn, go to a dead end job that doesn't inspire me creatively whatsoever.. or I can get up at noon and learn to play the sitar." -Bill Hicks
Your asking me why I'd rather blame the personality of said human being rather then pot for their behavior? I'm not even sure that deserves an answer. It sounds like a smartass comment to me.a7r0p05 said:
EDIT - Alright, I felt bad and have to say more. Maybe you really aren't putting things together and really are that naive.
We've already discussed how marijuana is not addictive. So, if your friends lives were really in the "shithouse" from it, they could have easily stopped at any point in time, if they had the "personality" to look at themselves and notice their situation. But, apparently they didn't.
Now, there's no chance marijuana ruined their lives. Or anyone elses. I'm sorry, but the drug just doesn't work that way. It doesn't make you beat your wife. It doesn't make you sell your appliances for "just another couple tokes". It doesn't even make you drive into telephone polls or miss work from a hangover.
You can go ahead and blame pot if you want to. But that doesn't automatically make it reality just because you believe something. In fact, you sound a whole lot like the 1936 movie Reefer Madness. Personally, I could care less about your anecdotal evidence. I have science on my side. You have some random story that you have yet to actually explain.
Now with all of that said, why did you ignore my question about what your claim has to do with addiction? I was counting on you to answer that question.
Its certainly not as addictive as that damn bubble breaker game on my cell phone... damn those bubbles are tough.
In all seriousness though, I smoked a lot of weed in high school and as much as it isn't physically addictive it partitions your life into stuff that has to do with weed/other stuff. Or at least that's what I found, it makes it so that you and your friends can't really tell stories that don't deal with "and we were so high" and you think that everything you can possibly do would be better high (see Jon Stewart's character in Half Baked).
In all seriousness though, I smoked a lot of weed in high school and as much as it isn't physically addictive it partitions your life into stuff that has to do with weed/other stuff. Or at least that's what I found, it makes it so that you and your friends can't really tell stories that don't deal with "and we were so high" and you think that everything you can possibly do would be better high (see Jon Stewart's character in Half Baked).
It depends on what kind of addiction you are talking about. I voted yes because it can be very mentally addictive. Physically it is not addictive at all. I have known some people to be very mentally addicted to it. But then people can be mentally addicted to food, sex, ect. So in the end I guess it could be seen as the person and not the drug. But the effects were the same. They really needed their weed.
Your poll wasn't clear enough. Are you asking only if it's addictive, or if it should be allowed?
It's not physically addictive, and I don't think that you'd find a doctor anywhere in the western world who would tell you that it is. On the otherhand, I do believe that certain people can become mentally addicted to it.
For myself, it's been a almost a year since I last smoked, I don't feel physically ill, I don't feel like I need to have it, so at least for me, it's not addictive. Also, I wouldn't confuse addiction with wanting to smoke it. Believe you me, the job hunt I've been on this past year has been brutal, and all I want to do is smoke a J, but I'm smart enough to know that I need a new job before I can participate in any extracuricular activities
It's not physically addictive, and I don't think that you'd find a doctor anywhere in the western world who would tell you that it is. On the otherhand, I do believe that certain people can become mentally addicted to it.
For myself, it's been a almost a year since I last smoked, I don't feel physically ill, I don't feel like I need to have it, so at least for me, it's not addictive. Also, I wouldn't confuse addiction with wanting to smoke it. Believe you me, the job hunt I've been on this past year has been brutal, and all I want to do is smoke a J, but I'm smart enough to know that I need a new job before I can participate in any extracuricular activities
I think it's addictive, sure. I've argued with people I know, who 100% absolutely deny that it is. The second I say "it's the high thats addictive, the feeling", they say "well ya, sure, of course it is. BUT THE DRUG ITSELF ISN'T".
So ya, I'd say it's addictive*.
*Note: I haven't done the stuff in a long time, and wouldn't say I was ever addicted, but I certainly know people who I would contend are...
So ya, I'd say it's addictive*.
*Note: I haven't done the stuff in a long time, and wouldn't say I was ever addicted, but I certainly know people who I would contend are...
If you're asking if its physically addicting, then no it is not. Your body does not become dependent on THC (the primary chemical in Cannabis that makes you high) and does not go through a withdrawal phase like it does after extensive intake of substances that contain Nicotine, Alcohol, or Caffeine.
But it can be addicting on the psychological level, just like pretty much anything else can be. It's all in the head and does not stem from any of the properties of the plant itself. To blame Cannabis for ruining peoples lives is simply trying to take the focus away from our own shortcomings and weaknesses. It's the same as blaming video games for youth violence. Some people just aren't meant for it, it's what makes us individuals.
For those who claim that it makes you 'lazy' or 'slow' have to keep in mind that there is more then one strain of Cannabis, each one bringing its own unique characteristic to the high. Each of those strains usually falls into one of two categories: Indica and Sativa. One gives what people call a 'body high', which can be attributed to the laziness and slowing of pace that some describe. The other gives you a 'mind high', which stimulates anything associated with the functions of your brain, particularly the 5 senses. This one will make you very active.
As for Cannabis making you stupid, I'm not 100% sure on that although I have read some studies that described that it can have negative effects on developing brains, but so can spending your days devoted to the TV. Keeping your mind sharp is your responsibility, go read a book or anything else that keeps your mind active, especially the logical and decision making regions of your brain.
Oh and yes it will mess with your short term memory making abilities, but I'm fairly sure its easily reversible, just stop smoking if you think its becoming an issue. Your body won't hold you back, in the end, it's your decision to make.
But it can be addicting on the psychological level, just like pretty much anything else can be. It's all in the head and does not stem from any of the properties of the plant itself. To blame Cannabis for ruining peoples lives is simply trying to take the focus away from our own shortcomings and weaknesses. It's the same as blaming video games for youth violence. Some people just aren't meant for it, it's what makes us individuals.
For those who claim that it makes you 'lazy' or 'slow' have to keep in mind that there is more then one strain of Cannabis, each one bringing its own unique characteristic to the high. Each of those strains usually falls into one of two categories: Indica and Sativa. One gives what people call a 'body high', which can be attributed to the laziness and slowing of pace that some describe. The other gives you a 'mind high', which stimulates anything associated with the functions of your brain, particularly the 5 senses. This one will make you very active.
As for Cannabis making you stupid, I'm not 100% sure on that although I have read some studies that described that it can have negative effects on developing brains, but so can spending your days devoted to the TV. Keeping your mind sharp is your responsibility, go read a book or anything else that keeps your mind active, especially the logical and decision making regions of your brain.
Oh and yes it will mess with your short term memory making abilities, but I'm fairly sure its easily reversible, just stop smoking if you think its becoming an issue. Your body won't hold you back, in the end, it's your decision to make.
The problem, in my view, is that people don't take it as seriously as, say, alcohol. It's not physically addictive, but i've lost friends because of it. Their priorities change, they don't want to hang out with you anymore, they want to hang out with their dealer and other people who smoke. A girl came into work one morning reeking of the stuff once! Our boss is slightly anosmic, but even he could see the signs and she had to be let go.
People can see it as a no consequences drug, and to an extent they're right... In moderation.
But since when does anyone ever do anything in moderation.
I also feel epicly sorry for anyone who is even slightly related to stoner culture. That stuff isn't even cool in the slightest. it's not even hard core. it's (cut off due to excessive readings on the rant-o-meter)
People can see it as a no consequences drug, and to an extent they're right... In moderation.
But since when does anyone ever do anything in moderation.
I also feel epicly sorry for anyone who is even slightly related to stoner culture. That stuff isn't even cool in the slightest. it's not even hard core. it's (cut off due to excessive readings on the rant-o-meter)
"The problem, in my view, is that people don't take it as seriously as, say, alcohol."
Have you ever been to a high school or college party? Hell even your average BBQ thrown by someone with a bit more years behind them? When you consider the amount of people who still kill themselves and other people because they can't seem to understand that drinking and driving doesn't lead to anything good shows how 'seriously' alcohol consumption is taken. I'm not even going to mention the amount of people that die or permanently cripple themselves due to alcohol poisoning.
In fact one of the characteristics of alcohol is it impairs the brains ability to make rational decisions.
Compare how many people are going to say yes to having a drink to those who would say yes to sharing a joint, I would be confident in the difference being pretty huge since most people are too paranoid to do anything that is 'illegal' or a 'drug'.
The fact that Cannabis is illegal, that billions are spent trying to keep it off the streets, and that possession of it is a federal offense shows just how much seriously Cannabis is taken compared to alcohol, even though that viewpoint is not based on completely rational views.
Have you ever been to a high school or college party? Hell even your average BBQ thrown by someone with a bit more years behind them? When you consider the amount of people who still kill themselves and other people because they can't seem to understand that drinking and driving doesn't lead to anything good shows how 'seriously' alcohol consumption is taken. I'm not even going to mention the amount of people that die or permanently cripple themselves due to alcohol poisoning.
In fact one of the characteristics of alcohol is it impairs the brains ability to make rational decisions.
Compare how many people are going to say yes to having a drink to those who would say yes to sharing a joint, I would be confident in the difference being pretty huge since most people are too paranoid to do anything that is 'illegal' or a 'drug'.
The fact that Cannabis is illegal, that billions are spent trying to keep it off the streets, and that possession of it is a federal offense shows just how much seriously Cannabis is taken compared to alcohol, even though that viewpoint is not based on completely rational views.
I've never understood the divide between "physical dependency" and "mental dependency". Shouldn't any kind of psychological or chemical issue be a physical one? Unless you are a dualist I guess...
I smoke weed, about once a week or so. Some people have accused be of being addicted, based on the fact that I use it on regular intervals. I disagree, because I can easily go for long periods without it without wanting it, up to several months.
I smoke weed, about once a week or so. Some people have accused be of being addicted, based on the fact that I use it on regular intervals. I disagree, because I can easily go for long periods without it without wanting it, up to several months.
All the people I know from college who did it are priests, lawyers, fund raisers, and stock brokers. So I'm inclined to agree with the people who think it ain't the drug causing people problems.