Poll: Marvel or DC?

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ReservoirAngel

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Bet you can't guess what media I'm asking about. :)

To keep a short story even shorter, I've been wanting to get into comics recently. I used to read them when I could as a kid, but they weren't a top priority, so I just dipped in and out of both Marvel and DC. Basically, I was the kid who occasionally spoke about Spiderman or Batman, but really had no clue.

But anyway. Upon viewing Big Picture's "comics are weird" episodes, the whole continuity thing seems daunting. But I'm good with that. I can generally get to grips with all that pretty easy.

What I wanted to know is, as per the title, which of the two comic companies would be better to get into, Marvel or DC? Like, which one's easier to follow?

Extra info: my natural gut reaction when asked my favourite superhero is instantly Moon Knight...this is despite knowing NOTHING about him and him being a relatively minor superhero in the grand scheme of things.

P.S: For extra pointless discussion value: who's your favourite superhero/supervillain?

P.S.S: My captcha code thing was "tort mcrar". just...thought i'd share that
 

Audemas

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I mostly followed Marvel, although I've read both Batman and Green Lantern.
 

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FalloutJack said:
Question: Why does that video say "Wolverine (Deadpool)"?

I want to EXPLODE!

Anyway. I vote Marvel. It has more, better heroes.

I only really cared for Batman out of all the DC heroes.

I also suggest getting in to Spiderman, It's easy to find compilations of comics, especially since the movies.

And he, like Batman, has stacks of cool villains.
 

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Huh, for some reason, I too have been bit by the retro superhero bug. I lurk a bit around the Real Life Super Hero forums for fun, just ordered a compendium of the first Uncanny X-mens, and have been considering getting a little on Batman or the Avengers which weren't ever a part of my childhood. I think it all started with Kick-Ass, which is definitely one of my favorites of the past 10 years.
But I'm most curious about what examples of storytelling have staying power and which are very dated. All that stuff about alternate universes and constant death-resurrection gimmicks is all hype and no meat. Our age is one not interested in indulgent, all-powerful demigods, but individuals who struggle and strive against all odds.
What is still relevant, well, I'm not so in touch with comics to really say. DC seems to use the Superman template more than the Batman one, and while Marvel tries to be more Wolverine than Captain America, their characters aren't all that much more human, just more primal.
 

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With the exception of Batman(and Batman Beyond) I could care less about DC. I also really, really, really hate Superman.

There's a lot of Marvel heros I love though. Spiderman/The X-Men/Deadpool/Luke Cage/Blade(yeah, he's Marvel) and the list goes on.

FavoriteDC: The Joker
FavoriteMarvel: Blade
 

Sonicron

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How does it matter? The big writers are employed by both companies.

If it helps, here's my personal opinion:
Marvel: Cool-looking characters that are a bit on the lame side in many cases, and mediocre story arcs.
DC: Great characters in downright silly-looking outfits (I mean, seriously, horrible to look at most of the time), and mostly awesome stories.
 

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DC, DC, and DC. Now, I'll admit, I've never read a lot of Marvel, a couple of Captain America and Black Panther comics that my brother leant me, but that's it. That said, I still strongly prefer DC.

DC has some incredibly deeply developed characters. If you've never read a Superman comic, you probably think he's a lot more flat than he actually is, but he's a really interesting character when the right writer gets his hands on him. And Wonder Woman is one of the most interesting characters around. Also, I really like Martian Manhunter, although unfortunately he doesn't have a running series right now, so he'll only be in JLA/JSA comics unless you get trade paperbacks, which, as Movie Bob said, are a really good way to get started. Ironically enough, considering that he's probably DC's most popular character right now, Batman actually isn't that interesting as a character, you make or break a Batman story based on the presentation of the villain, Batman is not the character most people actually show up for.

If I can suggest a couple of really good starting points (Trade Paperbacks in this case), or at the very least, places to break into the DC universe that'll really get you invested in what's going on:

Identity Crisis: Identity Crisis is a mystery story, the wife of The Elongated Man (one of the lesser known heroes of the DC universe) is murdered, and the investigation to find out who was behind the murder begins. Identity Crisis really gets to the core of the humanity of the heroes involved, and it would be just about impossible not to enjoy. I suggest it because it can be enjoyed on it's own even if you decide you don't want to pursue the DC universe, but it's also one hell of a great place to jump in.

Superman: Sacrifice/Wonder Woman: Mission's End: Both of these TPB's contain the issue in which Wonder Woman fights Superman, and while I would probably suggest Sacrifice over Mission's End they're both really good. Probably the most fascinating part of this particular story ark is that it really gets to the heart of the philosophies that drive the actions of both the heroes involved. It's one hell of a story, and if you read it, I can almost guarantee you'll want more.

Kingdom Come: My final suggestion is Kingdom Come, a series set in one hypothetical future of the DC universe in which the old guard of the DC universe (Supes, WW, Batman, Flash, Martian Manhunter, etc...) are aged, and end up in conflict with some of the newer up and coming heroes. Again, it's a pretty intense story, and it's really good. Also, since it's set in a hypothetical future, if you pick it up and don't like it, you won't really have to follow it up if you don't want to.

So, I would say give the DC universe a shot with any of these, if you don't like them, you'll still be free to pursue Marvel, though in my personal opinion I can't see why you'd want to... if you've ever seen an interview with Stan Lee, he falls somewhere between being a dick and a sellout, and while it's possible that the people who run DC are no different, I guess I feel like there's more integrity to the DC universe.

As an alternative option for you, there actually are some really good comics from independent publishers that you could give a shot to if you don't want to have to worry about continuity (I know I didn't when I first got into comics). Mike Mignola's Hellboy and BPRD (which was a sort of spin-off from Hellboy) series are incredibly good, they're published by Dark Horse. The art by itself justifies reading them, but if you like Lovecraftian themes then you absolutely can't go wrong with Hellboy. It may not offer the superhero stories you'd get from DC, but it's still really damn good. Also, The Walking Dead published, I believe, by Image Comics, is really good (it recently got a show I believe, though I haven't seen it). It's heavily character based, that is to say that the author derives the plot not from where he wants it to go, but from what he thinks the characters would do. If you've ever read a Stephen King story, it's a very similar writing process to that which King uses, and the result is some really deep well told characters. The benefit to this type of writing is that even if the plot wasn't good, it's still interesting to read because the characters are so enthralling. In this case though, you get the bonus of the fact that the plot is still really good. So I would also suggest The Walking Dead as a good comic series to read if you're interested in comics, but not sure if you're ready for the continuity yet.
 

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I've always prefered DC's characters. I'm not really into comics myself, but if I had to picmk one it'd be DC.
 

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Kpt._Rob said:
As an alternative option for you, there actually are some really good comics from independent publishers that you could give a shot to if you don't want to have to worry about continuity (I know I didn't when I first got into comics). Mike Mignola's Hellboy and BPRD (which was a sort of spin-off from Hellboy) series are incredibly good, they're published by Dark Horse.
You my friend, are VERY convincing indeed. Seriously, I just read this an immediately, without really thinking of it, just ordered the "Hellboy: Seed of Destruction". Seriously, how'd you make me do that? O_O *gets paranoid*
 

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ReservoirAngel said:
Kpt._Rob said:
As an alternative option for you, there actually are some really good comics from independent publishers that you could give a shot to if you don't want to have to worry about continuity (I know I didn't when I first got into comics). Mike Mignola's Hellboy and BPRD (which was a sort of spin-off from Hellboy) series are incredibly good, they're published by Dark Horse.
You my friend, are VERY convincing indeed. Seriously, I just read this an immediately, without really thinking of it, just ordered the "Hellboy: Seed of Destruction". Seriously, how'd you make me do that? O_O *gets paranoid*
Well, I'd hope that it's because my genuine love of Hellboy (and everything Mr. Mignola does for that matter) shines through. Even though I had read (and really loved) Watchmen long before I read Hellboy, I can say in all honesty that Hellboy was where I really got into comics. It is a unique gem, and I really hope you'll enjoy it as much as I have.
 

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You ninjad my idea for a thread, anyway dc
aside from ironman, Marvels stories seem campy and outrageous and some of their stories never really go anywhere(spideys life either sucks or hes whining/xmen always descriminated, fantastic four boring, and hulk just smashes) Only good thing now is deadpool but again story never really goes

Why does dc win
Batman, thats why nuff said but if you want more..
Green lantern
Justice league
young justice etc awesomeness
cooler characters and stories sums it up.
 

ReservoirAngel

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Kpt._Rob said:
ReservoirAngel said:
Kpt._Rob said:
As an alternative option for you, there actually are some really good comics from independent publishers that you could give a shot to if you don't want to have to worry about continuity (I know I didn't when I first got into comics). Mike Mignola's Hellboy and BPRD (which was a sort of spin-off from Hellboy) series are incredibly good, they're published by Dark Horse.
You my friend, are VERY convincing indeed. Seriously, I just read this an immediately, without really thinking of it, just ordered the "Hellboy: Seed of Destruction". Seriously, how'd you make me do that? O_O *gets paranoid*
Well, I'd hope that it's because my genuine love of Hellboy (and everything Mr. Mignola does for that matter) shines through. Even though I had read (and really loved) Watchmen long before I read Hellboy, I can say in all honesty that Hellboy was where I really got into comics. It is a unique gem, and I really hope you'll enjoy it as much as I have.
I think it might have also been helped by me loving Hellboy already. Well...the films that is. I've only ever seen the films. But if the comics are anywhere near the same tone and themes...I'm gonna end up buying the lot. Which brings me to a question...how many Hellboy comics are there exactly?

Although maybe I bought it from being impulsive. At the same time as I ordered the first Hellboy, I also ordered "Moon Knight Volume 1". Hooray for rash purchases that I'm praying to god will be worth it. :D
 

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ReservoirAngel said:
Kpt._Rob said:
ReservoirAngel said:
Kpt._Rob said:
As an alternative option for you, there actually are some really good comics from independent publishers that you could give a shot to if you don't want to have to worry about continuity (I know I didn't when I first got into comics). Mike Mignola's Hellboy and BPRD (which was a sort of spin-off from Hellboy) series are incredibly good, they're published by Dark Horse.
You my friend, are VERY convincing indeed. Seriously, I just read this an immediately, without really thinking of it, just ordered the "Hellboy: Seed of Destruction". Seriously, how'd you make me do that? O_O *gets paranoid*
Well, I'd hope that it's because my genuine love of Hellboy (and everything Mr. Mignola does for that matter) shines through. Even though I had read (and really loved) Watchmen long before I read Hellboy, I can say in all honesty that Hellboy was where I really got into comics. It is a unique gem, and I really hope you'll enjoy it as much as I have.
I think it might have also been helped by me loving Hellboy already. Well...the films that is. I've only ever seen the films. But if the comics are anywhere near the same tone and themes...I'm gonna end up buying the lot. Which brings me to a question...how many Hellboy comics are there exactly?

Although maybe I bought it from being impulsive. At the same time as I ordered the first Hellboy, I also ordered "Moon Knight Volume 1". Hooray for rash purchases that I'm praying to god will be worth it. :D
Right now there are ten Hellboy TPBs (although it's a running series, so eventually there will be more, but if you catch up with the TPB's then you could, if you wanted, switch to buying the comics that are released at shorter intervals), also, Hellboy splits off from the rest of the cast at one point in the series, which is where BPRD comes in. The BPRD is the institution that Hellboy works at in both of the films (and in the start of the comics), and the BPRD comics continue to follow Abe Sapien and Liz Sherman, as well as Johann Krauss (he was the ghost character in the suit in the second movie, but he doesn't show up until after Hellboy has left the BPRD in the comics) and Roger the Homunculus (who doesn't show up at all in the films, despite the fact that he's awesome). Anyways, there are 14 BPRD TPB's so far, as well as a couple spin offs following specific characters (Abe Sapien, Lobster Johnson, etc...). Also (I haven't read it, though I will at some point), there was a crossover series between DC and Dark Horse called Masks and Monsters which features Hellboy and Batman working in tandem. I guess that may sound like a lot, but if you compare it to the amount of reading that would be necessary to understand the whole of either the Marvel or DC universes, it's kind of a cakewalk.

Anyways, if you loved the films, you'll probably love the comics. Guillermo del Toro (who was the director for the films) was a fan of the comics long before he did the films, and while they certainly add plenty of Hollywood elements in the films, they do a good job transforming the characters for film. The comics are, admittedly, more subtle than the films. I loved Ron Perlman's portrayal of Hellboy, but the Hellboy in the comics is a much more stoic character than Perlman's version. The movies also told big stories all in the arc of one film, and as a result some of the mystery which is integral to the comics was lost. Many of the Hellboy TPB's tell standalone stories, Mignola draws an incredible amount of inspiration from ancient bizarre folklore, which he mixes with elements of history, as well as bits of his own imagination. And like I said, if you like Lovecraftian themes and aesthetic, you'll find plenty of that in the mix too.
 

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Kpt._Rob said:
ReservoirAngel said:
Kpt._Rob said:
ReservoirAngel said:
Kpt._Rob said:
As an alternative option for you, there actually are some really good comics from independent publishers that you could give a shot to if you don't want to have to worry about continuity (I know I didn't when I first got into comics). Mike Mignola's Hellboy and BPRD (which was a sort of spin-off from Hellboy) series are incredibly good, they're published by Dark Horse.
You my friend, are VERY convincing indeed. Seriously, I just read this an immediately, without really thinking of it, just ordered the "Hellboy: Seed of Destruction". Seriously, how'd you make me do that? O_O *gets paranoid*
Well, I'd hope that it's because my genuine love of Hellboy (and everything Mr. Mignola does for that matter) shines through. Even though I had read (and really loved) Watchmen long before I read Hellboy, I can say in all honesty that Hellboy was where I really got into comics. It is a unique gem, and I really hope you'll enjoy it as much as I have.
I think it might have also been helped by me loving Hellboy already. Well...the films that is. I've only ever seen the films. But if the comics are anywhere near the same tone and themes...I'm gonna end up buying the lot. Which brings me to a question...how many Hellboy comics are there exactly?

Although maybe I bought it from being impulsive. At the same time as I ordered the first Hellboy, I also ordered "Moon Knight Volume 1". Hooray for rash purchases that I'm praying to god will be worth it. :D
Right now there are ten Hellboy TPBs (although it's a running series, so eventually there will be more, but if you catch up with the TPB's then you could, if you wanted, switch to buying the comics that are released at shorter intervals), also, Hellboy splits off from the rest of the cast at one point in the series, which is where BPRD comes in. The BPRD is the institution that Hellboy works at in both of the films (and in the start of the comics), and the BPRD comics continue to follow Abe Sapien and Liz Sherman, as well as Johann Krauss (he was the ghost character in the suit in the second movie, but he doesn't show up until after Hellboy has left the BPRD in the comics) and Roger the Homunculus (who doesn't show up at all in the films, despite the fact that he's awesome). Anyways, there are 14 BPRD TPB's so far, as well as a couple spin offs following specific characters (Abe Sapien, Lobster Johnson, etc...). Also (I haven't read it, though I will at some point), there was a crossover series between DC and Dark Horse called Masks and Monsters which features Hellboy and Batman working in tandem. I guess that may sound like a lot, but if you compare it to the amount of reading that would be necessary to understand the whole of either the Marvel or DC universes, it's kind of a cakewalk.

Anyways, if you loved the films, you'll probably love the comics. Guillermo del Toro (who was the director for the films) was a fan of the comics long before he did the films, and while they certainly add plenty of Hollywood elements in the films, they do a good job transforming the characters for film. The comics are, admittedly, more subtle than the films. I loved Ron Perlman's portrayal of Hellboy, but the Hellboy in the comics is a much more stoic character than Perlman's version. The movies also told big stories all in the arc of one film, and as a result some of the mystery which is integral to the comics was lost. Many of the Hellboy TPB's tell standalone stories, Mignola draws an incredible amount of inspiration from ancient bizarre folklore, which he mixes with elements of history, as well as bits of his own imagination. And like I said, if you like Lovecraftian themes and aesthetic, you'll find plenty of that in the mix too.
So I have 27 collections to read, ideally. The 10 currently existing Hellboy TPB's, the 14 BPRD TPB's, and the 3 individual-characters ones too. And I should preferably do this before Mignola starts releasing the next load of them...that's a lot of reading to be done. :D