Poll: Mass Effect 3 - Ashley got Hot! (Also, see Kaiden)

[Eisenfaust]

well i suppose having a nuclear bomb explode in your face will require that much plastic surgery... it's always the mouth

 

[Vrex360]

Spoiler

[HEADING=1]ASHLEY ISN'T F*CKING RACIST! SHE NEVER WAS RACIST AND LIKELY NEVER WILL BE. ASHLEY SAYS AND DOES A PLETHORA OF THINGS THROUGHOUT THE GAME THAT DISPROVE THE IDEA THAT SHE IS RACIST. AN IDEA WHICH IS ALL BASED ON MASSIVE OVERREACTIONS FROM THE FANBASE AND PLAIN MISINTERPRETATIONS OF HER DIALOGUE!!! IF ASHLEY IS RACIST THEN SO IS TALI, WREX AND MORDIN![/HEADING]

Anyway OT:

I'm torn on this. On the one hand it's been so long since Ashley's been in any kind of promotional information for anything to do with Mass Effect, and I had been long anticipating that I'd never see her again. To find out that there is actual confirmation that Ashley is returning, after so long fills me with joy and eagerness. Clearly staying faithful was the way to go.

On the other hand, I am a bit annoyed with how she's presented. For what it's worth I don't have a problem with the hair... you go on the bioware forums and you'll find that a good portion of the Ashley fanbase have wanted to see her wear it down for sometime now. And it would be remiss of me to complain about that when it's clear that Bioware actually does listen to requests.
That said, I'm not sure if I love the uniform. It looks too much like Miranda's catsuit. I mean all we have so far is one screenshot so god knows if this is how she'll end up looking all the way through but still, Ash doesn't usually look like this.
However while it's a bit strange, it is by no means a deal breaker for me. As long as they keep her toughened attitude, I can dig it.
Liara underwent a noteworthy aesthetical change in Lair of the Shadow Broker. I see no reason why Ash can't as well.
Could be that she's now high ranking and is wearing a casual off field uniform from the Alliance. Who knows?

As for the bazonkas, I actually don't think they are neccesarily that much larger. They just look better positioned.

For what it's worth, I always thought Ashley was sexy and cool. I can handle a little bit of fan service coming her way to make her more so. I don't feel it is required but it's also not going to be a deal breaker with me.
Physical appearance is nothing, just as long as it's the same person underneath. You can't tell that info, and after so many months of pessimism, seeing Ashley return is enough to give me hope.
One picture shouldn't ruin that for me. I'm just happy to see her return.

So yeah in total, glad she's back and I can handle a few aesthetic changes. It would take her becoming a necromorph that vomits slime before I honestly stopped finding her beautiful.

EDIT: Also can we stop with the 'hooker' comments? For one thing we don't even know what her full outfit looks like yet and frankly, it's kind of crude and even a little sexist. So what if Ashley wants to look sexy? It's her right.

 

[Ian Caronia]

Tali supports slavery?

Spoiler

I'll admit I'm wrong if proven so, but when the hell does Tali agree to slavery?
Does she think geth are lesser lifeforms? Yes
Does she think killing them off will free her from her second skin prison? Yes. Wait, maybe. Kinda.. I mean-
Has she ever met one that didn't want to kill her? NO

I think you can see the reason Tali's racism is understood better. It's not just her upbringing and environment. Every single time she met a geth they wanted to kill her. Ever. Single. Time.
Until Legion none of you would've given two shits about genocide of the geth. Why? Becuase they're trying to kill you!! GET 'EM DEAD! XD

Look, not to derail the thread, but Tali calls the psycho admiral that promotes slavery "insane", and now that she's working with Legion and listening to a (hopefully) Paragon Shep, her views will change too.
Ash should've gotten over her racism by now, and in my opinion, as Christian myself her character is fucking insulting. You can't be Christain and a racist and be thought of as a logical thinking individual. Jesus doesn't condone racism. Cut your shit, Ash, and grow up. After working with Garrus and Tali and Wrex your opinion of aliens should've changed.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Oh for fuck sake, not more Dragon Age style massive balloon-tits.

Jesus.

I will be mad if they gave Jack implants between games. Big boobs=/=more attractive.

Says you

You actually equate breast size with attractiveness?

Thought I'd way in on this one.

*ahem*

There is literally no way Jack could be less attractive then she already is. And I mean that on physical and personal levels.

Like she's the only one in the freakin' universe with problems...

Because I like feeling superior justifying my actions: at least I know what my LI looks like. Most people are banging someone who could look like the Predators and who wants to commit genocide because she is nerdy and vulnerable.

 

[NickCaligo42]

Obviously they're trying to fill in Miranda's spot on the team from ME2,

Nah, they can't possibly fill Miranda's spot with Ashley. She doesn't have any of the abilities that made Miranda so useful. The ability to do both Overload and Warp made Miranda a must-have for every mission for me.

PFFFFT. Very, very well met, friend.

 

[Vrex360]

Meh, I sacrificed Ashely the first chance I got after she FUCKING SHOT WREX. Seriously, I'd talked him down, and she just fucking shot him! Racist *****, good riddance.

Let's get something straight here:

You had NOT talked him down.

You had said:
"We can talk about this!"
And lowered your gun.
He had said:
"No more talk Shepard, I'm going to do this my way!"
And kept his gun raised.

Where in that do you get the idea that Wrex had succumbed to your negotiations? If Ashley hadn't stepped in, Shepard's brain matter would be sprayed all over the beach.

 

[Souplex]

Tali supports slavery?

Spoiler

I'll admit I'm wrong if proven so, but when the hell does Tali agree to slavery?
Does she think geth are lesser lifeforms? Yes
Does she think killing them off will free her from her second skin prison? Yes. Wait, maybe. Kinda.. I mean-
Has she ever met one that didn't want to kill her? NO

I think you can see the reason Tali's racism is understood better. It's not just her upbringing and environment. Every single time she met a geth they wanted to kill her. Ever. Single. Time.
Until Legion none of you would've given two shits about genocide of the geth. Why? Becuase they're trying to kill you!! GET 'EM DEAD! XD

Look, not to derail the thread, but Tali calls the psycho admiral that promotes slavery "insane", and now that she's working with Legion and listening to a (hopefully) Paragon Shep, her views will change too.
Ash should've gotten over her racism by now, and in my opinion, as Christian myself her character is fucking insulting. You can't be Christain and a racist and be thought of as a logical thinking individual. Jesus doesn't condone racism. Cut your shit, Ash, and grow up. After working with Garrus and Tali and Wrex your opinion of aliens should've changed.

Actually, no Geth had ventured beyond the veil until that whole Saren business. For the majority of her life the Geth were just minding their business.

 

[Vykrel]

i really hope Thane and Grunt return... so far the other ones i liked in ME2 have been supposedly confirmed to be returning, but i still want to know about those two.

i dont know much about Kaiden and Ashley because i didnt finish ME1, but Ashley was kind of a ***** during the short time she appeared in ME2 x.x

If you read the email she says she over reacted and shes sorry. (think about it you boy/girlfriend you thought was dead come back after 2 years and is with a known terrest group what would you say?)
all i care about in ME3 is I want to finger quote at the turrean councilman when the reapers show up......

after like 30 of those messages i kinda started to just read the first sentence or glance at them then delete em lol

anyway, she shouldnt have been pissed at all. Shepard didnt have any control over what was happening. its not like during his coma he could think to himself, "I should really give her a call..."

 

[Ian Caronia]

Spoiler

[HEADING=1]ASHLEY ISN'T F*CKING RACIST! SHE NEVER WAS RACIST AND LIKELY NEVER WILL BE. ASHLEY SAYS AND DOES A PLETHORA OF THINGS THROUGHOUT THE GAME THAT DISPROVE THE IDEA THAT SHE IS RACIST. AN IDEA WHICH IS ALL BASED ON MASSIVE OVERREACTIONS FROM THE FANBASE AND PLAIN MISINTERPRETATIONS OF HER DIALOGUE!!! IF ASHLEY IS RACIST THEN SO IS TALI, WREX AND MORDIN![/HEADING]

Um... They are. Who said they weren't? Mordin's entire loyalty mission is practically based on that, mate.
Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d4NReq3hCM
3:30

"I'm no fan of aliens." That's the same as "I'm no fan of black people."
Racism.

 

[octafish]

Since when is Russ Meyer working in character design for Bioware? I'll buy ME3, but it will probably the last Bioware game I'll buy unless they decide to grow up.

 

[Ghengis John]

GARRUS!

*Bro Fists, Lightning*

Just let me say, I personally want a full ship. I mean if my crew survived ME2 I want them all aboard with in reason and then some. I don't want any "*shhhh* oooh that's too bad, they didn't make it past the reapers" business. And where's Miranda? I want to see her and Ashley get catty, I've been planning this for a long time, don't ruin it for me. Also I like her more than Ash.

 

[willofbob]

I think Ashley ties Jack for the two most hated LIs.
Miranda is only supported by tose who like boobs and decadence.
Tali's got her own fairly large, weirdly commited fanbase.
Liara kinda fell off the radar for most people after Tali became available.
Everyone wishes Kasumi was an LI but she isnt =P
My vote for Tali as much better than both old racist-***** Ashley and new probably racist-slut Ashley.

Tali supports slavery and genocide of sentient beings.
Ashley supports being careful with other races who probably have their own interests at heart.
How is Ashley the racist ***** in this scenario?

Souplex I do wonder what you would do when your computer becomes sentient and doesn't do what you say like it has for years.

The sheer fact that Legion is still alive and not floating in space trash shows that Tali isn't as racist and pro-genocide as you say.

As for Ashley she is like a different woman all together. But it doesn't matter for me because she died on Vimire because she killed Wrex. Darn you Ashley for killing Wrex

Shes dead in mine for the exact same reason.

Racist *****. You can put lipstick on a pig, still a pig.

Here here!

Tali isn't entirely pro-genocide, she just wants the Quarian homeworld back from the Geth and has been brought up (by a pretty lousy father who dies in ME2) to believe that genocide is the only way to achieve that. If you have sufficent Paragon after completing both Tali and Legion's loyalty missions, she seems to develop sympathy towards the Geth (after a Paragon speech check, anyway)

Ashley, on the other hand, is a member of the space Klu Klux Klan, going as far as to kill Wrex. I really regret letting her live and am part-way through a repeat playthrough to rectify that mistake.

when how did she kill wrex

like I just said, I let her live

captcha: ninatu influence. what?

ok when you decide to explain it better I'll be waiting

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understandable, but completely out of line!
edit: the bloody embed code doesn't work!

 

[Lizardon]

This is what I saw when reading the OP

blah, blah, blah, boobs, blah, blah, YES! Garrus and me will be saving the universe!

Honestly I like Ashley in ME1, even though she was a ***** in ME2 because I hadn't called her once while I was dead.

 

[Vrex360]

Ash should've gotten over her racism by now, and in my opinion, as Christian myself her character is fucking insulting. You can't be Christain and a racist and be thought of as a logical thinking individual. Jesus doesn't condone racism. Cut your shit, Ash, and grow up. After working with Garrus and Tali and Wrex your opinion of aliens should've changed.

Except for that Ashley never WAS racist. She never idealizes humans as being superior to aliens, she never argues that aliens are lesser beings. On Virmire she has no complaint working with the Salarian team and even volunteers for the job. She also hopes for improved relations between Humans and Quarians thanks to Tali helping with Saren. She also despises groups like Terra Firma and will vocalize strongly against them. Also despite showing hostility to Liara, she still notably shows sympathy towards her in regards to the death of her mother (hinting to Shepard to go talk to Liara because 'it's gotta hurt').

In total, the only really noteworthy thing Ashley does is mention that she doesn't think humans should rely on aliens as allies because she imagines that, when push comes to shove every race will look out for the interests of their own over others. She argues not to mistreat aliens or turn them down as allies but not to also expect aliens to help out in a crisis and instead should be prepared and capable to do things like this on their own.
This is a mindset that comes from her family name being ground through the dirt due to her granfather being the only human ever to surrender to an alien race.

And furthermore, it is a mindset that she can move on from.

Sorry, didn't mean to cause any offence if I did. I just thought I'd point this out.

EDIT: Oh and before I forget, Ashley never specified a religion. She merely said that she believed in god, never said anything else specific.
Her religion, like her views were made into whatever the fanbase wanted to see them as. Even when they weren't specified as such.

Once again, people didn't LEARN about her character, they merely PROJECTED onto her instead.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Oh for fuck sake, not more Dragon Age style massive balloon-tits.

Jesus.

I will be mad if they gave Jack implants between games. Big boobs=/=more attractive.

I'm just hoping Jack isn't in the game to be honest, I hate her

Me and you in the parking lot behind my favorite store on the Citadel. No one disses my girlfriend.

That sounded like a proposition

Spoiler

You want an early grave? I've handled big stupid jellyfish that were tougher than you.

Let me just finish headbutting these Krogans and I'll be right with you!

 

[Ghengis John]

This is what I saw when reading the OP

blah, blah, blah, boobs, blah, blah, YES! Garrus and me will be saving the universe!

This thread could be called "Garrus is back!" And it would have ten times the views.

 

[Vrex360]

Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d4NReq3hCM
3:30

"I'm no fan of aliens." That's the same as "I'm no fan of black people."
Racism.

Depends on your viewpoint. Ashley's distrust and dislike of aliens is based on political standpoints, not racial standpoints. She doesn't dislike them on the basis of them merely being something different to herself. She distrusts them and dislikes them based on lack of personal experience and bad family history and general political views.

It's more like someone saying:
"I'm no fan of North Korea."

 

[templar1138a]

She's hotter, that's for sure. However, I'll still kill her off every time I start a new game in Mass Effect. Seriously, every other line of hers expresses an utter hatred for aliens that I can't abide by.

"Drop that nuke from orbit, and Saren can kiss his Turian ass goodbye!"
We get it. You hate aliens. Are you dead yet?

Not to mention that as a Soldier, she's basically the most useless of the squad members. Honestly, Shepard should've had a dialog option early on to revoke Ashley's permission to speak at all.

 

[Tony2077]

I think Ashley ties Jack for the two most hated LIs.
Miranda is only supported by tose who like boobs and decadence.
Tali's got her own fairly large, weirdly commited fanbase.
Liara kinda fell off the radar for most people after Tali became available.
Everyone wishes Kasumi was an LI but she isnt =P
My vote for Tali as much better than both old racist-***** Ashley and new probably racist-slut Ashley.

Tali supports slavery and genocide of sentient beings.
Ashley supports being careful with other races who probably have their own interests at heart.
How is Ashley the racist ***** in this scenario?

Souplex I do wonder what you would do when your computer becomes sentient and doesn't do what you say like it has for years.

The sheer fact that Legion is still alive and not floating in space trash shows that Tali isn't as racist and pro-genocide as you say.

As for Ashley she is like a different woman all together. But it doesn't matter for me because she died on Vimire because she killed Wrex. Darn you Ashley for killing Wrex

Shes dead in mine for the exact same reason.

Racist *****. You can put lipstick on a pig, still a pig.

Here here!

Tali isn't entirely pro-genocide, she just wants the Quarian homeworld back from the Geth and has been brought up (by a pretty lousy father who dies in ME2) to believe that genocide is the only way to achieve that. If you have sufficent Paragon after completing both Tali and Legion's loyalty missions, she seems to develop sympathy towards the Geth (after a Paragon speech check, anyway)

Ashley, on the other hand, is a member of the space Klu Klux Klan, going as far as to kill Wrex. I really regret letting her live and am part-way through a repeat playthrough to rectify that mistake.

when how did she kill wrex

like I just said, I let her live

captcha: ninatu influence. what?

ok when you decide to explain it better I'll be waiting

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understandable, but completely out of line!
edit: the bloody embed code doesn't work!

i see a lack of blue option so maybe you did something i didn't or didn't do something i did

 

[Ian Caronia]

Tali supports slavery?

Spoiler

I'll admit I'm wrong if proven so, but when the hell does Tali agree to slavery?
Does she think geth are lesser lifeforms? Yes
Does she think killing them off will free her from her second skin prison? Yes. Wait, maybe. Kinda.. I mean-
Has she ever met one that didn't want to kill her? NO

I think you can see the reason Tali's racism is understood better. It's not just her upbringing and environment. Every single time she met a geth they wanted to kill her. Ever. Single. Time.
Until Legion none of you would've given two shits about genocide of the geth. Why? Becuase they're trying to kill you!! GET 'EM DEAD! XD

Look, not to derail the thread, but Tali calls the psycho admiral that promotes slavery "insane", and now that she's working with Legion and listening to a (hopefully) Paragon Shep, her views will change too.
Ash should've gotten over her racism by now, and in my opinion, as Christian myself her character is fucking insulting. You can't be Christain and a racist and be thought of as a logical thinking individual. Jesus doesn't condone racism. Cut your shit, Ash, and grow up. After working with Garrus and Tali and Wrex your opinion of aliens should've changed.

Actually, no Geth had ventured beyond the veil until that whole Saren business. For the majority of her life the Geth were just minding their business.

Indeed! So she never met one in person until she met the hostile ones, which acted exactly as her upbringing and environment taught her they would, thus perpetuating her racism and making it grow stronger.

And going with the logic she met un-Reaper loving ones prior to Saren and such:
1. They attack first out of self preservation, and get gunned down.
2. You killed geth that weren't firing at you in ME (ME1 definitely, those poor praying bastards) because, through experience, you were taught they were your enemy. Replace "experience" with "upbringing and environment" and you can see why she would've attacked non-hostile geth (if she ever met them).