Poll: ME3 EC didn't fix anything

[AnarchistFish]

Mine's still downloading. Started at 10am yesterday, it's now 2.30pm the next day. Fucking thing keeps jumping back and forth and stopping. A minute ago it was at 93%. Now, after stopping again, it's frozen at 1%.


I fucking hate technology.

 

[Dr Pussymagnet]

I just thought it was funny seeing Zaeed relaxing in a lawn chair.

 

[gnihton]

I recognise that there's still the matter of illogic and plot holes there, but I don't feel like I can be as upset about it as now it's just an ending with plot holes and illogic rather than one that's poorly done on all fronts.

Still, it doesn't look like your choices factor into it at all(?), which was the biggest grievance.

 

[AbstractStream]

Quick question guys. Apparently for the EC, you have to start from the Cerberus base again, but for all 3 endings, all I did was restart the 'Return to the Citadel' mission (where you're already hit with the beam and you shoot Marauder Shields) and go from there. I guess my question is, what extra content did I miss (if any)? I really don't want to do all that just to hear two extra lines or something. Youtube just has the scenes I've already seen.

 

[Fappy]

Quick question guys. Apparently for the EC, you have to start from the Cerberus base again, but for all 3 endings, all I did was restart the 'Return to the Citadel' mission (where you're already hit with the beam and you shoot Marauder Shields) and go from there. I guess my question is, what extra content did I miss (if any)? I really don't want to do all that just to hear two extra lines or something. Youtube just has the scenes I've already seen.

The only thing you missed that i am aware of was a redone cutscene of the Conduit run right before the Citadel part. It shows your party members getting owned and you call in the Normandy to pick them up. If you have a love interest you say your final good byes and it is quite a sad scene.

 

[johnnnny guitar]

Yeah I'm with you OP I can't understand why people are praising bioware for this lazy shit.

Like the original ending it had major bloody potential this time with the refusal ending that I tried the first time around it was actually ok (minus the fucking unneeded deus ex machina plot hole inducing space child being added despite the fact that we already had a deus ex machina with the crucible) but what do we get for sticking with the values that the Mass effect series has always held, The ability for you and others to choose for yourself is met with a massive fucking middle finger from bioware.

Not to mention that this is basically Red, Green and Blue endings 2.0 with very minor changes again placed onto the varying endings even more so because half of all the endings are slide shows.

 

[Fappy]

I think we may be giving Bioware too much credit. Writing the quintessential happy ending is not where their strengths lay. They (Bio) don't think along the lines of; Kill the Dragon, save the Princess and live happily ever after.

What about Dragon Age then...

Kill the Dragon...marry the Queen...live happily ever after, that's one of the endings you can get.

You can marry Anora? I had no idea.

 

[Jfluffy]

I'm still not happy with the endings, but it's nothing i'll lose sleep over.

 

[everythingbeeps]

No, the problem with the ending is that there's no happy ending whatsoever.

This is the only reason everyone is mad. I don't care how they dress it up, it all boils down to "But i didn't want my Shepard to die"

Well no, even I won't agree with that. There are a number of reasons people are annoyed. Yeah, that's a big one, but the way I see it, without a living Shep, I just don't care much about everything else. About the fact that with the mass relays destroyed (and somehow not wiping out every system they're in), everyone's cut off from each other. About the fact that even if Shep DID live, Joker idiotically whisked himself and what's left of my crew far far away so that Shep is cut off from them forever. About the dumb final encounter. Basically, it all boils down to just how utterly bleak even the best ending is for everyone. There's such a "not even worth it" feeling to it all.

But ESPECIALLY about the fact that there are so many ways it could have been done much better, and they just didn't bother trying.

 

[Yokillernick]

just gonna repost my comment to a similar thread as to why I am pissed off with the current endings.

"I don't know about you but I hated the endings.

Why ? Because I wanted a happy ending!

What's up with the world that people start thinking that sad, depressing endings are better ?

We all know that Joker had enough time to come and save you!

How hard is it to ask to have blue babies with Liara? I mean come on in the Destroy ending they clearly left that body --presumably yours-- breathing without any explanation.

What the hell Bioware? At least tell me that's not Shepard's body and be done with that cliffhanger!

As for the Rejection ending it all felt like Return of the Jedi for me. Why ? Because if went something like this:

Staring: Godchild as Emperor Palpatine and Shepard as Luke Skywalker.

Godchild: "Something, Something, Something Control..."
Shepard: "War will end on my terms" *Ignoring him just watching the battle progress*
Godchild: "Something, Something, Something cycle continues..."
Shepard: *Now resigned to fate accepting Godchild's terms*

Wouldn't have been surprised if some John Williams music would have been playing in the background.

As for Synthesis and Control they both seemed like you were taking people's free will away. In Synthesis, who the hell are you to decide to merge people into some abomination DNA. As for Control you now basically become an omnipotent force that can crush anyone that looks at you sideways. How long until Reaper-Shepard sets up his own Empire where he is crowned Emperor?

But I can imagine that Reaper-Shepard setting up a Tyrannical Empire and becoming Emperor is just the set up for Bioware's next Mass Effect title. "Mass Effect: The Rise of the Pyjaks" as someone so creatively named it."

 

[Kal-Adam]

I still liked the original ending...

 

[Fappy]

If you have a love interest you say your final good byes and it is quite a sad scene.

"Sad" is an understatement. Saying goodbye to your LI is more heartwrenching that all of the 4 endings combined. The voice acting sells it so well.

It's not quite as sad if you pick the Destroy ending for obvious reasons, but the Synthesis and Control endings make this scene more powerful in retrospect.

Control you say you will watch over them from your god-throne in space and synthesis basically implies you are a part of them (and everyone one else in the galaxy). Neither of these two options involve you ever talking to them again (at least in this life). But wait... I just thought of something....

In the synthesis ending you see Kasumi reuniting with her dead lover who is in some kind of weird techno-ghost form. Does that mean Shepard can do the same? Lol force ghosts in Mass Effect.

 

[somonels]

Were some people absolutely oblivious? EA came out with it from the get-go, even said that it would only "expand" on the existing endings, not to fix anything. Though it's great to think that they almost consider this as charity, giving a mugging victim a branded coffee mug, that will cheer him up.

 

[Nomanslander]

Nice thread here, love all the "Wah wah, Bioware needs to spendz 50 mill digitalizing my face onto Shepard perfectly while I get blown by 30 Asari" going on in this thread. Really destroys the imagine of gamers being a bunch of overly entitled twat donkeys bitching every step of the way when things don't go %110 their way.

Sorry, but from what I saw, the new EC does answer a lot of the inconsistency that followed. It doesn't explain all of them, but then again I always knew EA was never going to let this cash cow end without leaving behind room for more games to come. Now if you just don't like the endings than you're the problem; not the game. But don't throw in the word "plot hole" until it actually implies.

 

[1337mokro]

The endings were never meant to fix anything, just make it less stupid by going into more detail.

Though in my opinion they failed there. I just can't find it in myself to care. When I saw the ME3 ending. I don't know what happened. It was just... so unfulfilling, so inconsistent, so pointless.

I just stopped caring. I watched the new endings. Was just as annoyed and irritated by them as a few months ago by the original stupid edition. Now I just don't care. Bioware hasn't been Bioware for a long time.

That was apparent by the mas banning of members who even DARED to complain about the endings or how much Dragon age 2 sucked nuts.

Bioware lasted longer than the other studios, but by the end, they all succumb to the EA virus.

 

[Crais]

Nice thread here, love all the "Wah wah, Bioware needs to spendz 50 mill digitalizing my face onto Shepard perfectly while I get blown by 30 asari" going on in this thread. Really destroys the imagine of gamers being a bunch of overall entitled twat donkeys ***** every step of the way when things don't go %110 their way.

Sorry, but from what I saw, the new EC does answer a lot of the inconsistency that followed. It doesn't explain all of them, but then again I always new Activision was never going to let this cash cow end without leaving behind room for more games to come. Now if you just don't like the endings than you're problem not the games, but don't throw in the word "plot hole" until it actually implies.

You're my new favorite person on this site.

 

[TheDoctor455]

If they had not been complete and utter dicks to the fans by calling the people disatisfied with the original ending, and I quote "Whiny, homophobic entitled brats", then Yes i would have been satisfied with the EC.

As it stands, I cant wait for Bioware to burn down and join the likes of Bullfrog and Westwood in the graveyard of companies EA has raped to death.

Mind showing me a link to prove that?

It seems consistent with their general attitude through all of this, but... I'd still like to see where you're getting that from.

Also, I think I have a somewhat legitimate reason to be resentful of how badly the star-child botches things. Because I staked my grade in a university course on this series. I wrote a 20-page paper on this series and got an A that helped me earn my English degree that I recently completed. But now, thanks to these craptacular endings and how thoroughly they destroy the logic of the series, and betray the running themes of the series... now I'll always end up feeling that some part of earning my degree was unearned... or at least... that I should have gotten a lower grade on that paper for obviously reading far too much into this series, and giving its writers far too much credit.

Though I phrase it differently in the paper so as to help it fit the class better... the main running theme I'm referring to here is: "being victorious by uniting in spite of differences." This theme is utterly betrayed in every ending in some way. I'll spare you the somewhat lengthy analysis of each ending I could offer on this point (unless you want me to)... but here's the paper I wrote: http://social.bioware.com/project/8242/#details

While this paper is obstensibly about the entire series... only the first 2 games were out at the time... and I focused primarily on the first one. But thanks to the starchild's bullshit, large chunks of my paper, if not the whole thing, are either irrelevant or flat-out wrong now.

Thanks for that Bioware.

And if you're right, they think I'm a homophobe for not liking their bloody stupid endings.

I would just love to see them try to explain the massive leap of logic from 'I find your ending disappointing and well... a bit stupid' to 'you're a homophobe!'

 

[Elate]

Hm, not absolutely hating the original ending, I quite like these final cuts, I'm now for the first time considering replaying the entire trilogy again, since I know I /will/ get closure now.

But yeah, it does have massive plot holes, and yeah the space child as ass, I guess it just depends on what you're willing to look past.

 

[Fappy]

If you have a love interest you say your final good byes and it is quite a sad scene.

"Sad" is an understatement. Saying goodbye to your LI is more heartwrenching that all of the 4 endings combined. The voice acting sells it so well.

It's not quite as sad if you pick the Destroy ending for obvious reasons, but the Synthesis and Control endings make this scene more powerful in retrospect.

Control you say you will watch over them from your god-throne in space and synthesis basically implies you are a part of them (and everyone one else in the galaxy). Neither of these two options involve you ever talking to them again (at least in this life). But wait... I just thought of something....

In the synthesis ending you see Kasumi reuniting with her dead lover who is in some kind of weird techno-ghost form. Does that mean Shepard can do the same? Lol force ghosts in Mass Effect.

I can't play multiplayer so my shepard dies in the Destory endings anyways :C


Also, really? I guess the people who made the videos that are linked in the earlier threads didn't save Katsumi or something, since the synthesis video doesn't have that clip. Or maybe I just missed it because I was too distracted by the 2 second clip of a quarian profile. (also, damn if the quarians didnt need their suits anymore, why is Tali still wearing hers in the memorial scene? it would have been the perfect chance to see her face.)

It may be that Katsumi with the syth upgrades was able to create an AI/VI of her dead boyfriend too.

That would be super creepy! Oh god! I think its bullshit that they haven't lowered the EMS requirements for the "breath scene" since it was an accident that it could only be unlocked by playing multiplayer (or a stupid iPhone app or whatever). I haven't played multiplayer in months and only got that ending because I promoted like 20 characters and had like 2000 points from them alone.

 

[ShinobiJedi42]

Besides, it is free.

Of course it's free. It's 10 minutes of cutscenes. And you have to replay the last 3 hours of the game to get them. And even then it still doesn't fix anything. Who the fuck would pay for something like that?

I didn't have to play the last three hours. All you have to do is go into your save files and select "Restart Mission" and it will put you right before you face Marauder Shields. You can still see the majority of the changes. I havn't tried playing from Cerberus base, but I hear there are some minor changes throughout. I'll have to wait until I finish the game with my Renegade Shepard to find out.

OT: I was completely satisfied with the EC. It solved my two biggest complaints about the ending (Mass Relays being destroyed, and no closure) and it actually made the final decision feel organic instead of just picking a choice simply because it is the Paragon/Renegade choice. It brought a lot more weight for me when making the decision for Control because it felt like taking the StarChild's place was the natural evolution of the character. And it felt very much like 2001: A Space Odyssey, and I adore that book.

Never been a big fan of the other endings though. Synthesis seems to take away free choice from all beings in the galaxy and Destroy just seemed to be causing so much destruction for no reason when Shepard could just control everything and be the Ultimate Protector of the Galaxy. Still, there is Space Magic, but there was also Island Magic in LOST, and I still loved that show.