Poll: Metalcore Hate

[mitchell271]

I was reading a few articles on [a href="http://www.metalsucks.net/"]MetalSucks[/a] and I noticed a pattern. Most metalheads don't seem to like metalcore. I've seen it on the Escapist, YouTube, Ultimate Guitar, etc. In fact, the general consensus is that it sucks, that it's almost as bad as nu-metal (I understand the hate towards that one).

Now, metalcore is one of my favourite subgenres; the others being NWOBHM, thrash and folk metal. It's loud, kind of angry and some of the guitar riffs are great. Yes, it focuses a little more on vocals then some other subgenres but no more so than modern death metal.

So, can someone please explain the hate?

EDIT: The nu-metal hate is mostly based on moving away from the traditional band (2 guitars, bass, drums, vocals) and adding autotune or electric elements to the formula. Also, a lot of nu-metal artists just seem incredibly douchey (I know, glass houses).

EDIT 2: Wow, there is a lot of animosity between people. I realise when talking about why something is disliked, people are going to get whiney but I didn't think it'd get to actual insulting (I'm guilty of it as well). The idea was to learn about why the hate existed and partly to expand other's metal exposure. I personally don't like black metal or death metal, but if someone says, "Hey, these guys are awesome!", I'm probably going to give it a listen. So haters, try listening to metalcore. Just try it, it won't kill you.

 

[Vault101]

just what the hell is wrong with nu-metal anyway?

Korn arent bad...neither is linkin park...I also like linkin parks new stuff

 

[BathorysGraveland]

Well, for me, it's the riffs and the vocals, as well as the usually overly-polished production. I'm really not a fan of mixing clean and harsh vocals together (only in rare cases have I found that enjoyable) and even then, I really dislike the clean "whiney" vocals they tend to employ. About the only clean metalcore vocalist I can say I like, is Howard Jones. His cleans are very good.

As for the riffs, I'm not a fan of melodic death metal, which the riffing style tends to be most similar too. In a lot of metalcore, there also tends to be a lot of chugg-chugg riffing, which isn't something I enjoy a whole lot of.

So those would be my main reasons for not liking metalcore. As for nu-metal, I can enjoy that when I'm in a stupid fun mood, but metalcore is just... really not good for me. I hope that makes sense.

 

[shrekfan246]

I'm listening to metalcore right now.



Before this thread fills up with tons of people saying "Well, it's all just noise so it sucks", I'll try to get in an actual reasoning.

In general, metalcore tends to have a lot simpler and more repetitive guitars than classic heavy metal. Bands also frequently employ heavy amounts of distortion and down-tuning, lending for deeper and louder tones. There are, of course, exceptions to this, and progressive metalcore is a great example of the genre being thrown completely on its head.

The vocals are often one of the biggest sticking points, too. People who like classic heavy metal don't seem to like the screaming and growling because it's too grating and/or unintelligible, and people who like death metal/black metal... well, I won't pretend to know this one, but I assume it's because the contrast created by clean vocals, screaming, and growling is just something that they don't like combined into one song.

Some people don't feel metalcore is "heavy" enough, either, because it's sort of a halfway point between death metal and post-hardcore, which is another one of those genres that causes a schism amongst music fans.

And now, The Human Abstract.

 

[BathorysGraveland]

just what the hell is wrong with nu-metal anyway?

Well, for myself, I can enjoy some nu-metal bands on rare occasions when I'm in a silly mood, bands such as: Korn, Mushroomhead, Coal Chamber etc. But for most people, they really despise the hip-hop elements it brings, the riffing styles, the image (which I admit, is pretty dumb) as well as the fanbases those brands brought. A lot of people do not consider nu-metal to be a legit metal genre anyway, and I'm rather on the fence about that. Certainly some nu-metal bands, such as Slipknot, have a lot more metal elements than anything else. But I probably would hesitate to call Korn a legit metal band.

I hope that gives you at least some idea.

 

[Owyn_Merrilin]

Now, metalcore is one of my favourite subgenres

The problem is bolded. Metalcore isn't a subgenre of metal, it's a subgenre of punk rock -- specifically a sub-sub-genre of hardcore punk. You might recognize punk rock as metal's natural enemy

 

[Dangit2019]

I was reading a few articles on [a href="http://www.metalsucks.net/"]MetalSucks[/a] and I noticed a pattern. Most metalheads don't seem to like metalcore.

There's your problem there, you're reading MetalSucks, and I'm pretty sure there's few metal genres that they actually do like outside of either the most obscure crap and classic thrash.

Anyway, I enjoy metalcore unashamed. Yeah, I know that the Devil Wears Prada (I'm 16, cut me some slack) isn't the heaviest or most "brootal" but I enjoy the composition of their songs and I love it when they work for their big breakdown payoff instead of just doing one after the other with no dynamics.

Some people don't like the clean/unclean vocal mix, but I think it balances out well personally. Again, I like dynamics, and a big chorus coming after an aggressive bridge just fucking works for me. But it all depends on personal taste, really.

just what the hell is wrong with nu-metal anyway?

Korn wasn't bad...neither was linkin park...DISREGARD THE REST OF THIS POST

Fixed it for you.

 

[Vault101]

Fixed it for you.

Ew.

screw yall! Thousands suns was awsome!

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[Dangit2019]

Fixed it for you.

Ew.

screw yall! Thousands suns was awsome!

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...and then they made Living Things. Again, just for a good measure,

 

[Vault101]

...and then they made Living Things. Again, just for a good measure,

lving things wasnt bad but nowhere near as good as thousand suns
mabye its because I have a thing for electronics but I love the dark synths in thousands suns...The Catalyst reminds me so much of ME3 or Deaus Ex...and I also love blackout with its crazy anger

I'd say their worst album is minutes to midnight...too damn soft

 

[Dangit2019]

I'd say their worst album is minutes to midnight...too damn soft

On this we can agree.

 

[Wraith]

Meh, to me metal is metal and if the band feels right to me I'll listen to them regardless of genere or subgenre. My favorite band, Dethklok, is stuck between Death and Melodic Death at times, and my second favorite band is a trip-hop group known as the Gorillaz, with Disturbed (can be considered Nu Metal) and Lamb of God (groove metal) tying for third.

People try too hard to stay faithful to one brand of music and that isn't what you're supposed to do. Musical taste is meant to explored and expanded so trying to only like a certain style is pretty damn stupid.

 

[MisterGobbles]

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Everything this guy just posted is an example of the awesome prog metalcore coming out nowadays, so go listen to everything he just mentioned.

Anyway, first off, MetalSucks is extremely tongue in cheek and doesn't offer "serious" coverage of much of anything (and the commenters are either extremely retarded, or professional trolls. It's normally easy to tell them apart). I'd recommend Metal Injection or HeavyBlogIsHeavy if you like your metal coverage with a little less trolling.

Secondly, metalcore is extremely, extremely over exposed right now. The good bands are few and far between, just like any other popular genre. There's a lot of good stuff, granted, but there's an exponential amount of bad stuff, and it's tainting the already vauge genre.

Basically people are going to talk shit on x genre as long as it exists, and there's not much you can do about it.

EDIT: Also, metalcore is an extremely vauge genre. Are we talking about Every Time I Die/Converge/The Chariot metalcore, or Killswitch Engage/Unearth/As I Lay Dying metalcore, or Underoath metalcore, or all-of-the-scene-crap-the-record-labels-keep-feeding-us metalcore, or another crazy form of it? Cause it's all a lottt different.

 

[Vault101]

EDIT: The nu-metal hate is mostly based on moving away from the traditional band (2 guitars, bass, drums, vocals) and adding autotune or electric elements to the formula. Also, a lot of nu-metal artists just seem incredibly douchey (I know, glass houses).

thats...not even a reason

really

 

[SlaveNumber23]

Well I love As I lay Dying, Trivium and All That Remains and apparently they are Metalcore so I suppose I like Metalcore. I honestly don't pay much attention to sub genres, I just listen to bands that I like, regardless of their genre. I can't really say that I dislike any specific sub genre because I'm sure I could find at least one band I like in every sub genre of metal.

 

[Strazdas]

I dont even consider a metacore to be a genre. its just a label stupid people made up.

just what the hell is wrong with nu-metal anyway?

Korn arent bad...neither is linkin park...I also like linkin parks new stuff

Korn started as nu-metal, went into emo-pop and now is doung dubstep (im not kidding, the latest album is cooperation with skrillex). Korn is the perfect example of how a good band can go the worst possible way.
Linkin park started great, lately they were weering into pop as well.
you just had to pick the worst exmaples didnt you?

 

[Silly Hats]

I love how 'core' is always thrown out like its an insult. I haven't listed to much Metal the past year because I find that good Hardcore is heavier and more passionate than Metal.

I'm pretty sick of the fact that as a music community, if people don't like a particular band then that just means an entire Sub Genre is just widely slandered. Not mentioning the constant trend of bands sticking with one particular sound that sounds exactly like their influences so there is no variation including uber clean productions. Metal is just a boys club now with the most precious fanbase.

I do think that the examples that "real metalheads" listen to are just as lame as whatever they're attacking.