Poll: Metalcore Hate

[Genocidicles]

Are you saying you don't like the clean vocals in metalcore, or that all clean vocals cannot be metal?

I dislike the clean vocals in metalcore, because they sound whiny. The whiny-ness makes them not Metal.

 

[O maestre]

most of the metalcore i have heard sounded like slipknot on steroids... and slipknot sounds like pop music to me... so pop music on steroids, with an emo theme in regards to fashion. I do not like pop music.

i am also slightly amused by the whole crab walk thing, when all things combine i have a hard time taking the genre seriously

 

[Lucyfer86]

After discovering metalcore several years ago, i haven't been able to listen "normal" metal that much ever since.
Everything else sounds boring and not enough heavy, with few exceptions.

So yeah, i listen to metalcore, it covers roughly 75% of music i listen nowadays.

 

[UberNoodle]

Read the book, THis is Your Brain on Music. It is a great book. Basically, there is probably a neurological basis to what music you like. It's also very likely that metal heads share similar neurological bias to the music and against certain 'other' styles which metalcore and nu-metal have incorporated and overlap with. Thus, it is no wonder that they react badly towards it.

I strongly dislike rap and hip hop, so I'm hardly going to enjoy those styles played even more obnoxiously, especially when mimicking the musical style I DO love. Similarly, I find punk obnoxious and simplistic. I appreciate it's paragons however, but despise their various barnacles along for the ride. In comparison to what I listen to, metalcore and numetal are quite boring.

Grindcore is a far superior unification of metal and punk. Heck, crossover thrash acts like Municipal Waste please me more.


Incidentally, I happen to love jazz-metal fusion, and that's hardly a universally adored style (Cynic, etc), but in that one band, Cynic, is such incredible innovation and musicality that listening to acts like Korn is so much like slumming it.

Also, the Metal Evolution documentary's chapter on Nu Metal was great.

 

[Robetid]

Well everyone knows music is about hair and fashion and not about substance so metalcore just really got it right in the past few years.


Yea.

Metalcore used to be good, then all these asking alexandria and bring me the horizon bands happened then everyone just sucks and the genre should just die. Also the fan base took a turn for the worse. Just a bunch of whiney children. Come to think of it, was I like that when i was younger?

 

[SpAc3man]

Because it isn't a complete and perfect tribute of the music the metalheads liked when they got into metal. They don't like that metalcore is the next evolution in metal. It isn't what they would do.

This is a pattern that has always occurred throughout musical history.
In the context of metal you could go back to the 80s when thrash metal was becoming the next big thing. The new metal kids were listening to bands like the big four (Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax) while also possibly having a good look at the origins of their music of choice with Led Zep and Black Sabbath.
The majority of people who spent their fandom with Led Zep and Black Sabbath from pre-thrash days would no doubt have been rather hostile to the newcomers as they are not "proper heavy metal" in their eyes.

Now we have the grown-up kids that got into hardcore and metal while exploring the musical world in their early days. They emulate and modify what they liked and produce a new genre.
I believe it was Kurt Cobain that pondered:
"How successful do you think a band could be if they mixed really heavy Black Sabbath with the Beatles?"
This idea was essentially where Nirvana got their particular style of grunge from. Similar ideas exist in the sound of pretty much all genres ever.

And people don't like change.

Also the metalheads are just jelly that none of their bands came up with a music video as awesome as this:

 

[DanielBrown]

Metalcore is to metal as Vanilla Ice is to gangsta rap.

On a less inflammatory note: I imagine the dislike stems from the fact that some 'proper' metalheads feel protective about their favourite music. It is something like why a 'proper' punk would never be caught dead listening to Green Day; bastardizing your favourite music to make it more widely accepted, and in the process cheapening it, and cheapening other bands with a similar sound by the new mainstream association.

Something like that...?

Sounds about right. The fans also seem to be mainly short haired, 14-year old posers as well, which doesn't exactly help. They're like the Bieber fans of metal.

 

[MysticToast]

If the "vocals" in a genre/band/song make me laugh when they're not supposed to, there's a problem.

That's bout all I have to say on this topic.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

While I despise so-called "Nu-Metal" for being generally cheap, crap and downright offensive to musicians, artists, mankind and creatures with ears in general, so-called "Metalcore" has some select few fun combos I find... enjoyable.

For example:
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Nu-Metal... No. Just... no. From the top of my head, there are three Ko&#1071;N tracks I can enjoy, and I liked... hmmm... two tracks by those freak cephalopods generally known as "Linkin Park".

Why? I never really thought about it. I did a quick skimming of the Youtube material available, and I think it's got to have something to do with there being so very little memorable stuff floating atop the sea of Nu-Metal (Come to think of it, I even dislike the faux illiterate label itself). Almost everything is like Aunt Jemima pancake batter. It's got some dB and some recognizable elements, but it's all just cheap, prefabricated bland dough at the end of the day. And I like to think I'm past shoving dough in my ear holes.

 

[The Great JT]

Times like this I must wonder, "Why do we need new music? Everyone knows music was perfected when Michael Jackson released Thriller!"

As for Metalcore, I'm not big on it.

 

[Thyunda]

I dont even consider a metacore to be a genre. its just a label stupid people made up.

just what the hell is wrong with nu-metal anyway?

Korn arent bad...neither is linkin park...I also like linkin parks new stuff

Korn started as nu-metal, went into emo-pop and now is doung dubstep (im not kidding, the latest album is cooperation with skrillex). Korn is the perfect example of how a good band can go the worst possible way.
Linkin park started great, lately they were weering into pop as well.
you just had to pick the worst exmaples didnt you?

Dude. The Korn/Skrillex tunes are badass. Like. Seriously badass. Though I don't see how that's Korn doing dubstep. I think you'll find Korn is doing much as Korn do...Skrillex is the one doing dubstep. Be kinda weird if he just lent advice to Korn's new dubstep fascination, wouldn't it?

 

[Poetic Nova]

I did hate metalcore at first, but partially due to my gf and some bands I stumbeld uppon I started to like it but it still depends on which band it is.

 

[Mr.Squishy]

I like a lot of metal, but metalcore, nu-metal and death/black metal tend to be my least favorite subgenres.

Hiss at the implication that black and death are essentially the same.

Sorry if I offended you, I just have a hard time telling them apart.

 

[thatonedude11]

I don't hate metalcore per say. Well, okay, I really don't like it, but if someone else does, hey, whatever floats your boat.

I just hate it when people call it metal. It is not metal, it is hardcore punk with metal influences. Last time I checked, hardcore punk =/= metal. So please, PLEASE don't bring up the latest metalcore sensation during a discussion about metal. Because it isn't metal. It's punk. I cannot overstate this.

Also the metalheads are just jelly that none of their bands came up with a music video as awesome as this:

Ummmm, that's just a bunch of bro-dudes rocking out on a beach then going surfing. Hate to break it to you, but it isn't all that amazing.

 

[corneth]

I'm pretty anti-anti-genre talk in general. I feel very strongly that artists should be considered on their own merits separate from the genres they belong to. (I answered "indifference")

 

[WWWLUCIFERCOM]

Theres some good Metal Core bands but theirs way more awful bands in it. On the subject of Nu Metal Why are we still talking about it Nu metal came around the time grunge in the 90s so metal could stay alive but grunge is dead so should nu metal right? (Just a thought plus Nu metal is the special ed member to the metal family)

 

[The_Echo]

I don't like metalcore. I used to have a couple of metalcore bands in my collection (Eyes Set to Kill being the one I remember). I don't have anything against metalcore, I just haven't found a band that... stuck out. So far, it's all seemed very samey. For example, Eyes Set to Kill is almost good. I like their female vocalists, but (far as I can remember) they eventually decided to put them in the back and let their screamer take center stage, who I think isn't even that good and should leave.

And that same thought happens through every metalcore band I listen to. They put a lot of emphasis on their screaming... but it isn't very good. (For reference, I consider good growling/screaming to be along the lines of The Black Dahlia Murder [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDEvqdw2fmA], Attila [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4-BZsNXXtQ], Dir En Grey [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAjohzRdfww] and We Butter the Bread with Butter [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iEW_pXjsgA].)

 

[Rath709]

I intensely dislike the kind of people who listen to only one genre of music and refuse to listen to anything else. I also feel sorry for them, as they are denying themselves so much potential pleasure to be had by branching out their tastes. My iPod is filled with a mixture of Punk, Alt Rock, Classic Metal, Epic Metal, Aggrotech, Acoustic Rock, and even Classical. I'm as likely to listen to Grendel as I am to Bad Religion, and if someone then tries to tell me that I'm somehow deficient for not having a fanatical devotion to the sound of people screaming their frigging lungs out, I can't help but think negatively toward them.

 

[Yopaz]

Metalcore isn't my favourite core subgenre, I am more into melodic hardcore or post-hardcore, but for the sake of discussing this it's not that complicated. Metalcore is a fusion genre which is related to the punk genre more than the major metal genre. Metal and punk are kinda like enemies and thus the metalheads might not get the appeal.

Now I like punk and I think metalcore is OK every now and then. I don't really like metal so I fit into the stereotype too. A general rule of the thumb is that the genre is far from being mainstream.

Edit: Also I didn't vote since I'm not a metalhead and I take the integrity of this poll very seriously.

 

[Ishal]

BUt thats the problem, its electronic music. and its the worst kind of electronic music. its almost like trance but more agressive.

so mixing things up is unacceptible now?




That song, for instance, is a "typical" or "mainstream" metalcore song.

And I imagine there are people who believe that metal without harsh vocals isn't "real" metal, but generally speaking those people are silly. About as silly as people who believe that metalcore has to have breakdowns, or else it's not really metalcore. But then, I don't get as uppity about genre classification as a lot of people seem to, so I might not have the best insight onto that topic.

Funny enough though, a lot of people tend to call post-hardcore bands "emo kiddy bullshit". Really puts me off of discussing my love for the genre, since I don't like inciting hatred over miniscule, paltry things.

I'm in the same boat as you are with this, and I think As I Lay Dying has some talent for the metalcore genre..their riffs and drum sections are well put together and the singer writes some pretty neat stuff.

This is my take on the problem of metalcore and in fighting between people who like metal. Metal songs (of just about any genre) tend to be like puzzles. They are complex and are complete when all the pieces are put together. When you have genres like Metal-Core a conjoining of heavy metal and Hardcore.. you have half the pieces from metal and half from hardcore.. this means it is inevitable to have people hate it. I've fallen into that trap before too.

Then you inevitably have people who think that it destroyed the original sound of where the genre came from, this happened when all these bands (Job for A Cowboy, As I lay Dying) and a bunch of others started popping up. You would not have metalcore if not got the Gothenberg scene producing so much good metal..some of it is even called Gothenberg metal. I myself am able to listen to both, but I have my limits on what I can tolerate from metalcore.

For those who might not know what I mean...

this is part of the Gothenberg scene

this is one of my favorite As I Lay Dying songs, you might be able to hear the resemblence