Poll: Metalcore Hate

[bananafishtoday]

just what the hell is wrong with nu-metal anyway?

Korn arent bad...neither is linkin park...I also like linkin parks new stuff

Speaking as a hiphop fan, I think a lot of the hate (well, not so much "hate" as "eye-rolling dismissal") comes from how the genre took aspects of hiphop without actually understanding what it was copying, resulting in a hollow or superficial imitation. I'd imagine metal fans feel the same way, from the other direction. The result is a style of music that ends up being less than the sum of its parts.

OT: Can't really comment. I had to google "metalcore" to find out what it was. I'd always kinda lumped it into the generic "screamo" category.

 

[Labyrinth]

*snip*

In the line of an actual reason, I find it boring. There's been little musical variation or creativity in the (admittedly few) songs that I have heard from the genre. To be fair I say much the same about some Metal too. I can't hear the lyrics enough to work out whether they're clever enough to get me past the noise. Screaming and distortion for the sake of screaming and distortion, endless and unvarying, do not appeal to me.

For now I'll just sit back and enjoy my Devin. Glorious, glorious Devin.

 

[Mr.Squishy]

I like a lot of metal, but metalcore, nu-metal and death/black metal tend to be my least favorite subgenres.
captcha: are you a human?
Seems captcha disagrees with my tastes.

 

[dfphetteplace]

There are a few good metalcore bands, but 99% of them are awful and just rehash the same riffs over and over again.

 

[dfphetteplace]

I dislike the clean vocals which I find to be really damn whiny. That's not metal!

Also the musicians tend to look like hipsters or androgynous douchebags.

Are you saying you don't like the clean vocals in metalcore, or that all clean vocals cannot be metal?

 

[Genocidicles]

Are you saying you don't like the clean vocals in metalcore, or that all clean vocals cannot be metal?

I dislike the clean vocals in metalcore, because they sound whiny. The whiny-ness makes them not Metal.

 

[O maestre]

most of the metalcore i have heard sounded like slipknot on steroids... and slipknot sounds like pop music to me... so pop music on steroids, with an emo theme in regards to fashion. I do not like pop music.

i am also slightly amused by the whole crab walk thing, when all things combine i have a hard time taking the genre seriously

 

[Lucyfer86]

After discovering metalcore several years ago, i haven't been able to listen "normal" metal that much ever since.
Everything else sounds boring and not enough heavy, with few exceptions.

So yeah, i listen to metalcore, it covers roughly 75% of music i listen nowadays.

 

[UberNoodle]

Read the book, THis is Your Brain on Music. It is a great book. Basically, there is probably a neurological basis to what music you like. It's also very likely that metal heads share similar neurological bias to the music and against certain 'other' styles which metalcore and nu-metal have incorporated and overlap with. Thus, it is no wonder that they react badly towards it.

I strongly dislike rap and hip hop, so I'm hardly going to enjoy those styles played even more obnoxiously, especially when mimicking the musical style I DO love. Similarly, I find punk obnoxious and simplistic. I appreciate it's paragons however, but despise their various barnacles along for the ride. In comparison to what I listen to, metalcore and numetal are quite boring.

Grindcore is a far superior unification of metal and punk. Heck, crossover thrash acts like Municipal Waste please me more.


Incidentally, I happen to love jazz-metal fusion, and that's hardly a universally adored style (Cynic, etc), but in that one band, Cynic, is such incredible innovation and musicality that listening to acts like Korn is so much like slumming it.

Also, the Metal Evolution documentary's chapter on Nu Metal was great.

 

[Robetid]

Well everyone knows music is about hair and fashion and not about substance so metalcore just really got it right in the past few years.


Yea.

Metalcore used to be good, then all these asking alexandria and bring me the horizon bands happened then everyone just sucks and the genre should just die. Also the fan base took a turn for the worse. Just a bunch of whiney children. Come to think of it, was I like that when i was younger?

 

[SpAc3man]

Because it isn't a complete and perfect tribute of the music the metalheads liked when they got into metal. They don't like that metalcore is the next evolution in metal. It isn't what they would do.

This is a pattern that has always occurred throughout musical history.
In the context of metal you could go back to the 80s when thrash metal was becoming the next big thing. The new metal kids were listening to bands like the big four (Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer and Anthrax) while also possibly having a good look at the origins of their music of choice with Led Zep and Black Sabbath.
The majority of people who spent their fandom with Led Zep and Black Sabbath from pre-thrash days would no doubt have been rather hostile to the newcomers as they are not "proper heavy metal" in their eyes.

Now we have the grown-up kids that got into hardcore and metal while exploring the musical world in their early days. They emulate and modify what they liked and produce a new genre.
I believe it was Kurt Cobain that pondered:
"How successful do you think a band could be if they mixed really heavy Black Sabbath with the Beatles?"
This idea was essentially where Nirvana got their particular style of grunge from. Similar ideas exist in the sound of pretty much all genres ever.

And people don't like change.

Also the metalheads are just jelly that none of their bands came up with a music video as awesome as this:

 

[DanielBrown]

Metalcore is to metal as Vanilla Ice is to gangsta rap.

On a less inflammatory note: I imagine the dislike stems from the fact that some 'proper' metalheads feel protective about their favourite music. It is something like why a 'proper' punk would never be caught dead listening to Green Day; bastardizing your favourite music to make it more widely accepted, and in the process cheapening it, and cheapening other bands with a similar sound by the new mainstream association.

Something like that...?

Sounds about right. The fans also seem to be mainly short haired, 14-year old posers as well, which doesn't exactly help. They're like the Bieber fans of metal.

 

[MysticToast]

If the "vocals" in a genre/band/song make me laugh when they're not supposed to, there's a problem.

That's bout all I have to say on this topic.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

While I despise so-called "Nu-Metal" for being generally cheap, crap and downright offensive to musicians, artists, mankind and creatures with ears in general, so-called "Metalcore" has some select few fun combos I find... enjoyable.

For example:
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Nu-Metal... No. Just... no. From the top of my head, there are three Ko&#1071;N tracks I can enjoy, and I liked... hmmm... two tracks by those freak cephalopods generally known as "Linkin Park".

Why? I never really thought about it. I did a quick skimming of the Youtube material available, and I think it's got to have something to do with there being so very little memorable stuff floating atop the sea of Nu-Metal (Come to think of it, I even dislike the faux illiterate label itself). Almost everything is like Aunt Jemima pancake batter. It's got some dB and some recognizable elements, but it's all just cheap, prefabricated bland dough at the end of the day. And I like to think I'm past shoving dough in my ear holes.

 

[The Great JT]

Times like this I must wonder, "Why do we need new music? Everyone knows music was perfected when Michael Jackson released Thriller!"

As for Metalcore, I'm not big on it.

 

[Thyunda]

I dont even consider a metacore to be a genre. its just a label stupid people made up.

just what the hell is wrong with nu-metal anyway?

Korn arent bad...neither is linkin park...I also like linkin parks new stuff

Korn started as nu-metal, went into emo-pop and now is doung dubstep (im not kidding, the latest album is cooperation with skrillex). Korn is the perfect example of how a good band can go the worst possible way.
Linkin park started great, lately they were weering into pop as well.
you just had to pick the worst exmaples didnt you?

Dude. The Korn/Skrillex tunes are badass. Like. Seriously badass. Though I don't see how that's Korn doing dubstep. I think you'll find Korn is doing much as Korn do...Skrillex is the one doing dubstep. Be kinda weird if he just lent advice to Korn's new dubstep fascination, wouldn't it?

 

[Poetic Nova]

I did hate metalcore at first, but partially due to my gf and some bands I stumbeld uppon I started to like it but it still depends on which band it is.

 

[Mr.Squishy]

I like a lot of metal, but metalcore, nu-metal and death/black metal tend to be my least favorite subgenres.

Hiss at the implication that black and death are essentially the same.

Sorry if I offended you, I just have a hard time telling them apart.

 

[thatonedude11]

I don't hate metalcore per say. Well, okay, I really don't like it, but if someone else does, hey, whatever floats your boat.

I just hate it when people call it metal. It is not metal, it is hardcore punk with metal influences. Last time I checked, hardcore punk =/= metal. So please, PLEASE don't bring up the latest metalcore sensation during a discussion about metal. Because it isn't metal. It's punk. I cannot overstate this.

Also the metalheads are just jelly that none of their bands came up with a music video as awesome as this:

Ummmm, that's just a bunch of bro-dudes rocking out on a beach then going surfing. Hate to break it to you, but it isn't all that amazing.