Poll: Military service

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Mcupobob

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Ok going into the miltary is kinda big around where I live I myself want to go into the navy But when I asked how often do corpsman get depoyled to a marin squad after giving his answer he asked why and I said I honestly don't want to get deployed to afghan to get shot at when I could be on a ship in italy or japan and most of my class mates said i'm just being a "pussy" but is it wrong for me to want to not die and get a good job while seving my country without having to risk myself in a warzone or i'm just being a wuss?
 

NeutralDrow

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...that was all one sentence?

On-topic (after much deciphering), I wouldn't say you're a wuss. But then, I'm not interested in military service, myself, so I'm not the best one to ask.
 

Mcupobob

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Skeleon said:
No, it's understandable.
Is there no civilian alternative in the USA?
Do you mean like national guard? I think thats the cloest to civilain option.
 

Jadak

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Nope, I have the same opinion on that. I am all for serving my country (although more importantly, having a decent job), but I have no interest in putting my life on the line for problems that aren't mine.
 

Skeleon

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Mcupobob said:
Do you mean like national guard? I think thats the cloest to civilain option.
Huh, no.
In Germany, we have the option to go to the military or a civilian institution for our compulsory service if we bring forth ethical reasons (e.g. could not kill another human being).
I worked in a hospital's OR both because I don't like being shouted at and because it's useful for my university studies.
 

Motti

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Mcupobob said:
Skeleon said:
No, it's understandable.
Is there no civilian alternative in the USA?
Do you mean like national guard? I think thats the cloest to civilain option.
Coast Guard?
I can understand where you're coming from (I myself want to join the army as an infantryman but I know I'm just a crazy minority), but if I were you I wouldn't go into the navy and plan not to go into combat.
 

rampantcreature

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My brother did join the Marines, and he was put on fuels. He spent a little more than 1 year in South Carolina, 2 years in Japan (which included brief stays in the Guam and Korea) and not even 1 full year in Iraq. To my knowledge, he was never even shot at or near guns. Then again, he was too smart and too independent for the military.
 

Puppeteer Putin

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Skeleon said:
Mcupobob said:
Do you mean like national guard? I think thats the cloest to civilain option.
Huh, no.
In Germany, we have the option to go to the military or a civilian institution for our compulsory service if we bring forth ethical reasons (e.g. could not kill another human being).
I worked in a hospital's OR both because I don't like being shouted at and because it's useful for my university studies.
Huh, fascinating - your compulsory service is making those of us who don't have such systems (in my case, Australia) feel like lazy bastards.

Certainly not a wuss for not wanting to be a front-line grunt. Don't most services offer mechanics, engineering, and other specialist training? I'd imagine if you were an engineer of some description, you wouldn't be being shot at all that often.
 

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i'm considering going into the navy too, and that is one of the things i was wondering myself. I don't mind participating in war as long as i am on a ship several miles offshore of the nearest hot spot.

Hopefully my degree will get me in as an officer, so i am not too worried about fighting, but i would still like to avoid any risk that isn't a necessity.

But, i have known a few people to die before their time, and none of them were in the military. The people that i know that went into the military are all alive and well. You take a risk every time you bother to wake up in the morning no matter what, just live while you can and try not to worry about it.
 

BonsaiK

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If you don't want to get shot at, don't join the Navy. Basically. If other people can't handle that, too bad for them. It's not their decision to make, it's your life.

If you're in one of those crappy countries where they give you no choice, and you really want to wuss out (don't worry, so would I in your shoes), check the rules and see what you can be de-enlisted for. Being openly gay works in some countries. Also being mentally ill can sometimes do it, so you could fake insanity or something. Physical disabilities can also help, just tell them that you can't read the eye charts or something when you do the eye test. Colour-blindless can definitely exclude you from a lot of jobs so you could mess up the colour test too (my brother wanted to go in the airforce but was colour-blind so that was the end of that). Then there's the hearing test which is also easy to fail. They won't send you to the front if you can't hear shit. I know all of this really isn't very patriotic, I guess you've got to weigh up your desire to serve your country vs your desire to get your limbs potentially blown off.
 

Mcupobob

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Ok a corpsman is a navy medic and is oftet deployed with the mariens to serve as there medics(the marines don't train there own idk why) I want to get into a health career after the military and the navy pays for you to go to med school if you are a corpsman I think its the same with the other branches but I havn't done much research on the other branches.
 

Eleuthera

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Aren't the Navy and the marines two different things? Being in the navy would give you next to no chance of being deployed to Afghanistan since it does not have a coastline... Iraq is a possibility though.

Edit: just read the post above me... in that case.. erm shit...
 

Skeleon

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Puppeteer Putin said:
Huh, fascinating - your compulsory service is making those of us who don't have such systems (in my case, Australia) feel like lazy bastards.
Well, I wouldn't mind it so much if it were fair and everybody had to do it. But girls don't have to, so they get to move on to the university immediately after school while us guys "waste time" (my time at the hospital was useful to be sure, but still, it's the principle that bugs me).
There are lots of guys who deliver food to the elderly or transport handicapped people or other such things.
And that is definitely useful for the whole society! But why just guys? Double your workforce!
 

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BonsaiK said:
If you don't want to get shot at, don't join the Navy. Basically. If other people can't handle that, too bad for them. It's not their decision to make, it's your life.

If you're in one of those crappy countries where they give you no choice, and you really want to wuss out (don't worry, so would I in your shoes), check the rules and see what you can be de-enlisted for. Being openly gay works in some countries. Also being mentally ill can sometimes do it, so you could fake insanity or something. Physical disabilities can also help, just tell them that you can't read the eye charts or something when you do the eye test. Colour-blindless can definitely exclude you from a lot of jobs so you could mess up the colour test too (my brither wanted to go in the airforce but was colour-blind so that was the end of that). I know all of this really isn't very patriotic, I guess you've got to weigh up your desire to serve your country vs your desire to get your limbs potentially blown off.
By his military terminology, I'm pretty sure he's from the U.S., which is an all-volunteer military. As for you, OP, there are plenty of non-combat jobs you could apply for- obviously, you may not get exactly what you want, but if you do enough finagling, you might get into the military and yet still have a pretty good chance of not getting shot. For instance, you could talk to an air-force recruiter about flying unmanned drones, and while this may seem like a long shot, its still better than being forced into a combat position when you do not want it (BTW, be sure to mention that you play video games if you take that suggestion. It may seem minor, but they like that in pilots for remote equipment).

Ultimately, though, you could always end up in a combat position somehow. I have a friend who was sent to guard convoys in Iraq even though he was just a computer technician stationed in Hawaii. If you really feel uncomfortable in joining the military, then don't. It may not be the thing for you, and you needn't listen to the peer pressure of your home town- eventually, you'll probably leave that place and all of those people who called you a wuss behind. And, if in time you still fell the need to join a military-esque service later on in life, you could always join the police, firefighters, coast guard, or national guard. You could also wait until later and then join the military. Just DON'T let yourself feel forced into making any rash decisions. This is your life, and nobody else's.
 

Dr. Love

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Play to your strengths, I personally joined the navy for a variety of reasons such as I'm physically fit, but intellect is more my main strength. I don't believe alot of policies and ideals set forth by our politicians are worth dieing for. And I believe I'm more worthwhile being a cryptologist then being a ground pounder.

I want to preclude this paragraph with I respect the marines and what they stand for, but at the same time without trying to generalize, a lot of them aren't the most intelligent bunch. Why should you waste good intellect in Iraq when you can do intelligence or Nuclear propulsion? Also the marines have good benefits but after your service is up the marines don't have alot of civilian work experience from their service whereas the Navy specifically has a program dedicated to getting you a job after the navy and will pay for any certificates needed to get that job.
 

BonsaiK

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SuperMse said:
BonsaiK said:
If you don't want to get shot at, don't join the Navy. Basically. If other people can't handle that, too bad for them. It's not their decision to make, it's your life.

If you're in one of those crappy countries where they give you no choice, and you really want to wuss out (don't worry, so would I in your shoes), check the rules and see what you can be de-enlisted for. Being openly gay works in some countries. Also being mentally ill can sometimes do it, so you could fake insanity or something. Physical disabilities can also help, just tell them that you can't read the eye charts or something when you do the eye test. Colour-blindless can definitely exclude you from a lot of jobs so you could mess up the colour test too (my brither wanted to go in the airforce but was colour-blind so that was the end of that). I know all of this really isn't very patriotic, I guess you've got to weigh up your desire to serve your country vs your desire to get your limbs potentially blown off.
By his military terminology, I'm pretty sure he's from the U.S., which is an all-volunteer military.
Okay, then the OP should probably not join. Frankly, I don't think it's realistic to join and then NOT expect to be shot at. Don't do it unless your heart is really in it. Besides there's plenty of other ways to "serve your country", military service is just one of many.
 

chaplain64

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You are a wuss, but is there anything wrong with that, I dont think there is. I was a Navy Corpsmans for 4 years in the navy from 2001-2004. I did not want to go to Iraq, so I could be called a wuss; but as humans we all try not to die. I even knew people who died there but thats the risk you take if you chose to join. But most Corpsmans have a small chance of dieing in combat we mainly stay in the back and the Marine protect us. I'm not sure what the number are but most of us(corpsman) serve in hospitals, very few ever get on ships, I worked for several chiefs who were never on a ship or with the Marines. So the real question is, and only you can make it. Do you feel strong enough to join the Navy as a corpsman knowing you could die. I did and would of gone with the Marine if I was sent, thats what I aggreed to do. But you have a much harder desion to make than I did, I joined before 9/11 so there was no war. You can still join the Navy and not end up in harms way(unless you join the SF), theres 105 jobs and only 3 I know of put you in harms way. Corpsman, Gunners mate(they work with Marine), and Religous Specs(they have act as a bodyguard for the Chaplains). Well what ever you chose good luck and know you are no less of a human for backing out.
 

WolfThomas

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You could always you know not enlist...

But if you want to be in the armed forces and not get deployed, surely there is some sort of job you can get that eliminates the chance.

The armed forces still need mechanics, technicians, cooks, etc.

I doubt as any of those you'd get in any trouble unless a large scale conventional war happens and then we're all pretty much screwed.