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Flailing Escapist

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I haven't posted anything interesting in a long time so while I'm waiting for class to start lets have an elightening discussion.

As a little backround on me I'm not really a philosophical person. Yeah, they made us take a Philosophy class here but I never really got into it, like wanted to change my major to it; into it.

Anyway because I'm so enlightened I was meditating in the grove the other day and I stubbled across an idea. The "idea" that as soon as you know certain things they no longer apply to you. For instance:

I was talking to myself the other day, because who doesn't do that, and one of my friends came up and jokenly asked if I was insane. So I spun around and said, "insane?! Of course I'm insane!" Later I was thinking about it and I figured, because I've taken some psych classes too, that an insane person can't possible know that they're insane. So as long as I know I'm insane I'm ok, you follow me? But then I figured that if I know that I can't be insane if I know I'm insane the rules no long apply to me, that I can know that I can't be insane if I know I'm insane and can still be insane. But if I didn't think of any of this, if I stayed in my dumb, ignorant life, the rule would still apply to me. Mind fuck, huh?

Don't worry if you didn't understand all of that I have another example:

Without trying to get too wound up in religion I'm going to go over this too. Anyway I was sitting in church the other week, becuase my old man appreciates when I drive down to go to church with him every week, anyway; I was thinking about how the preacher was talking about that everyone who doesn't have the chance to hear the good news will go to heaven anyway, because they didn't have a chance. And the other two groups, the ones who hear the good news and accept it and the ones who hear the good news and reject will go to heaven and hell respectively. But I was thinking that what if you heard the good news but you hadn't made your mind up yet? God is a nice god, right, I'm sure he'd give you the chance to choose one side or the other before damning you to kingdom come. So I was thinking that people probably won't/don't die before they get the chance to accept or reject the good news otherwise they'd just go to heaven by default so, essentially, while you're in a limbo of deciding which flavor you prefer you're, in essence, immortal, unkillable, won't die, etc (and if you do you'd just go to heaven anyway). So assuming thats true now that I know this it no longer applies to me, I know the "rules" so they won't work for me anymore.

Anyway, this isn't anymore than simple speculation. I'm just trying to make you all think. And if you don't understand it, thats cool, I'm a much better speaker than a typer I'm afraid.

Enjoy this idea, chew it around for a while then spit it out so someone else can look at it and go, "fuck me, thats right".
 

Thaluikhain

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Flailing Escapist said:
Anyway, this isn't anymore than simple speculation. I'm just trying to make you all think.
Well...hasn't really worked on me, TBH. The first is a matter of definition and semantics, the second is based on knowing things that are unknowable.

In both cases, I'd say "meh".
 

Jedamethis

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I'm sorry, but my brain is overwhelming your words with "Is it worth spending time trying to properly understand this? Does it affect me at the moment? No? Then shut up and play games."
 

JesterRaiin

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Flailing Escapist said:
Later I was thinking about it and I figured, because I've taken some psych classes too, that an insane person can't possible know that they're insane. So as long as I know I'm insane I'm ok, you follow me? But then I figured that if I know that I can't be insane if I know I'm insane the rules no long apply to me, that I can know that I can't be insane if I know I'm insane and can still be insane. But if I didn't think of any of this, if I stayed in my dumb, ignorant life, the rule would still apply to me. Mind fuck, huh?
Not at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_correlation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion
Probably also :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
 

WeAreStevo

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Circular reasoning works because it's circular >_>

Not so much a mind-fuck as it's a "inception-style" retread of the same concept over and over...