Poll: Monthly Fees

[WOPR]

Being how many people I'm surrounded by pay for Runescape/WoW/XBL-Gold and I pay for none of the above; they call me names and poor and other things

but after I did the math I just saw it as this

I have an extra $320 a year (roughly)

so what's your opinion on monthly fees?

I think it's for idiots with way too much disposable income (or access to someone who does)

EDIT: the poll appears to be broken

EDIT 2: No people I am not saying "you are idiots if you pay for this" I just think it's an idiotic action- example... if Ben Stein locks his keys in his car; idiotic mistake/action; smart man

So please don't make this a flame war

EDIT 3: Alright to make it REAL SIMPLE

I'm not calling anyone and idiot
I'm calling the action/idea to be idiotic

name any non-MMORPG game that costs $15/month just to play
because last I checked almost all computer games have patches

Also- name something other then Xbox LIVE that costs monthly fees to play their games online?

off note- I can get both for free

MMORPG = Runescape(Free)/Sherwood Dungeon/Second Life?(not sure about that one)
Online Games = ...wii, ps3, computer, 99% of flash games (which there are MILLIONS of)

 

[Mittens The Kitten]

MMOs are supposed to consume massive amounts of time, and considering 10$ for 2 hours of entertainment at a movie, 50$ for a meal at a nice resturant or 80$ for a day at disneyland, 5-15 bucks a month for an MMO should be low on a long list of things to call people idiots for.

 

[Something Amyss]

I always thought the whole "You're poor" thing was horribly stupid. It usually (not always) comes from entitled brats who have limited understanding of value.

anyway, I begrudgingly pay the fees for Live (usually 40 bucks a year or less) because all my friends have XBoxes and I want to play online with them. The value is therefore worth it to me.

Wow? No.

Runescape? no.

If Sony starts charging for online, I won't pay it. I see no value in it since I know like, two people with PS3s.

So I'm not big on fees, but I'll pay them if I have to.

 

[mindlesspuppet]

MMOs are supposed to consume massive amounts of time, and considering 10$ for 2 hours of entertainment at a movie, 50$ for a meal at a nice resturant or 80$ for a day at disneyland, 5-15 bucks a month for an MMO should be low on a long list of things to call people idiots for.

This.

I prefer games with monthly fees to games with micro-transactions

 

[Master Kuja]

I formerly used to pay for Xbox Live considering the majority of my friends own a 360, but then I decided to take a foray into PC gaming and never looked back.
Then I bought a Ps3 because I missed console gaming, and Sony in particular.

I haven't paid to play online in about 2 years and I've saved a metric fuck ton of cash.

 

[WOPR]

MMOs are supposed to consume massive amounts of time, and considering 10$ for 2 hours of entertainment at a movie, 50$ for a meal at a nice resturant or 80$ for a day at disneyland, 5-15 bucks a month for an MMO should be low on a long list of things to call people idiots for.

I should mention that I've never been to disney land, never spent more then $20 at a restraunt (which I only get to go to on my birthday) and only see movies through netflix

but would you really re-buy the same game EACH YEAR?

...but yeah, the top of my list of things to call people idiots for on terms of throwing away money for something useless is directed at the cigarette smokers; I'd yell at the drug addicts too- but I'm referring to LEGAL bad habits

I despise Microsoft for making people pay to play online for any of their games. They can go fuck themselves over that.

I understand why MMO's do it, but I'm still not going to pay a monthly fee.

I should say it's MMORPG's that are understandable; costing millions each year to keep the servers up

other MMO's... not so much

 

[Chibz]

I would refuse to pay monthly fees for WoW & other MMO's. Mostly because that's an insane amount of an investment for a single game. However, for XBlah I get more functionality with a number of my games. Yay?

 

[Kae]

I think they are a good business scheme but I just won't someone monthly just to play a game I'd rather buy 4 or 5 retro games a month than pay a monthly fee but then again I do not have a credit card and therefore I cannot pay one.

 

[Something Amyss]

MMOs are supposed to consume massive amounts of time, and considering 10$ for 2 hours of entertainment at a movie, 50$ for a meal at a nice resturant or 80$ for a day at disneyland, 5-15 bucks a month for an MMO should be low on a long list of things to call people idiots for.

Considering a couple of those things are deals people do infrequently, I'd say that's a poor comparison.

 

[XzarTheMad]

It's the main reason I never got into WoW.
Also, WoW is fucking boring.

 

[rezboyjoey]

So back when I was a WoW addict, I could put in maybe 3-4 hours a day on average and it was still fun. That's 21-28 hours per week, 90-120 hours per month, 1095-1460 hours per year. For this I paid $15 a month, or $180 per year. That's about 12-16 cents per hour of gameplay. Now take a modern console game, you'll pay about $60 for 20ish hours of gameplay if you're lucky which is $3 per hour of gameplay. That's 19-25 times more per hour of gameplay. Now lets do the math, to get 1460 hours of gameplay that's 73 20 hour games at $60 per game totaling $4380 versus the 180 I payed for WoW.

So buying games cost me $4380, playing WoW cost me $180. The way I see it, I have an extra $4200 per year in my pocket. Now who's the idiot?

 

[WOPR]

MMOs are supposed to consume massive amounts of time, and considering 10$ for 2 hours of entertainment at a movie, 50$ for a meal at a nice resturant or 80$ for a day at disneyland, 5-15 bucks a month for an MMO should be low on a long list of things to call people idiots for.

Considering a couple of those things are deals people do infrequently, I'd say that's a poor comparison.

I agree...

and I should mention that before anyone says "HEY YOU HAVE XBOX GOLD YOU PAY TOO!"
someone bought me a 3 month pass for my birthday
and activated it while I was in the bathroom

I was mad because I wanted to return (or trade) it for points (if possible)

 

[WOPR]

So back when I was a WoW addict, I could put in maybe 3-4 hours a day on average and it was still fun. That's 21-28 hours per week, 90-120 hours per month, 1095-1460 hours per year. For this I paid $15 a month, or $180 per year. That's about 12-16 cents per hour of gameplay. Now take a modern console game, you'll pay about $60 for 20ish hours of gameplay if you're lucky which is $3 per hour of gameplay. That's 19-25 times more per hour of gameplay. Now lets do the math, to get 1460 hours of gameplay that's 73 20 hour games at $60 per game totaling $4380 versus the 180 I payed for WoW.

So buying games cost me $4380, playing WoW cost me $180. The way I see it, I have an extra $4200 per year in my pocket. Now who's the idiot?

You for assuming I pay $60 for a game!
ha ha! *ow* my sides

*ahem*

no

while I will admit I HAVE purchased $60 games (a whole whopping 2 [StarCraft 2/RedSteel Pack)

lets see, I pay an average of $1-$20 for a game, and enjoy thoes games for roughly... 10-60 hours

so lets round it out with a good 5 games I own

TF2 - $5 - 81 hours (and counting)
No More Heroes - $7 - 67 hours (only play DM100 on occasion)
Castle Crashers - $19 (DLC) - 50ish (and counting)
Evil Genius - $1 - 15 hours (and REALLY counting)
Beat Hazard - $5 - 36 (and counting)

so that's $37 for 249 hours (and counting)

you paid more then that on the game itself not even counting the monthly fees

 

[Mittens The Kitten]

I'm actually not taking a side for or against pay-monthlies, im claiming that you are overstating your argument by saying that all people who do so are idiots. Totally streamlining your spending to the point where any 50 cents-a-day judgement is optimized is a level of efficiency that most people don't feel they need.

 

[WOPR]

I'm actually not taking a side for or against pay-monthlies, im claiming that you are overstating your argument by saying that all people who do so are idiots. Totally streamlining your spending to the point where any 50 cents-a-day judgement is optimized is a level of efficiency that most people don't feel they need.

There, I better explained it in the original post. Hope that will clear things up (and I swear if this becomes a discussion about Ben Stein because of that I'm leaving)

 

[Something Amyss]

I agree...

and I should mention that before anyone says "HEY YOU HAVE XBOX GOLD YOU PAY TOO!"
someone bought me a 3 month pass for my birthday
and activated it while I was in the bathroom

I was mad because I wanted to return (or trade) it for points (if possible)

to be fair, I'm not really out to bust anyone's chops over their definition of value. I just think it's an odd way of comparing things, all things considered.

 

[Mittens The Kitten]

I'm actually not taking a side for or against pay-monthlies, im claiming that you are overstating your argument by saying that all people who do so are idiots. Totally streamlining your spending to the point where any 50 cents-a-day judgement is optimized is a level of efficiency that most people don't feel they need.

There, I better explained it in the original post. Hope that will clear things up (and I swear if this becomes a discussion about Ben Stein because of that I'm leaving)

very well, in that case, i agree. Thank you for clearing that up.

 

[Scout Tactical]

Paying for a game allows for content to be generated for it continuously. Do you think WoW could have expanded to what it is today solely off the sales of games and expansions? Of course not, and especially not with pirates abounding.

MMOs have an excuse to charge monthly fees: they are constantly in development. Games with single player options, less so. Of course, if a game isn't developing new content despite the fees, you'll (hopefully) get bored and stop paying that monthly fee. It's a beautiful cycle.

Really, Team Fortress 2 would be an example of one of the few games that faithfully released updates without charging, but now they've added a store. Revenue is king.

 

[Something Amyss]

So back when I was a WoW addict, I could put in maybe 3-4 hours a day on average and it was still fun. That's 21-28 hours per week, 90-120 hours per month, 1095-1460 hours per year. For this I paid $15 a month, or $180 per year. That's about 12-16 cents per hour of gameplay. Now take a modern console game, you'll pay about $60 for 20ish hours of gameplay if you're lucky which is $3 per hour of gameplay. That's 19-25 times more per hour of gameplay. Now lets do the math, to get 1460 hours of gameplay that's 73 20 hour games at $60 per game totaling $4380 versus the 180 I payed for WoW.

So buying games cost me $4380, playing WoW cost me $180. The way I see it, I have an extra $4200 per year in my pocket. Now who's the idiot?

I'm not sure being dishonest and cooking numbers is a good way to disprove idiocy or prove your intellect.

 

[rezboyjoey]

You for assuming I pay $60 for a game!
ha ha! *ow* my sides

*ahem*

no

while I will admit I HAVE purchased $60 games (a whole whopping 2 [StarCraft 2/RedSteel Pack)

lets see, I pay an average of $1-$20 for a game, and enjoy thoes games for roughly... 10-60 hours

so lets round it out with a good 5 games I own

TF2 - $5 - 81 hours (and counting)
No More Heroes - $7 - 67 hours (only play DM100 on occasion)
Castle Crashers - $19 (DLC) - 50ish (and counting)
Evil Genius - $1 - 15 hours (and REALLY counting)
Beat Hazard - $5 - 36 (and counting)

so that's $37 for 249 hours (and counting)

you paid more then that on the game itself not even counting the monthly fees

So you're paying about the same price per hour as a WoW addict (about 14 cents with your examples). I fail to see how this helps your argument. You're doing the exact same thing, paying a cheap price for hours of content. You call people who pay monthly fees for games idiots when they're paying the same price you are so if thats the case how are you any different?

I'm not sure being dishonest and cooking numbers is a good way to disprove idiocy or prove your intellect.

Those are real numbers, real math. If you want to insult my intelligence maybe you should do the math yourself and show me how wrong I am instead of just throwing meaningless words at a forum. Thanks though.