Poll: Morality of To Catch a Predator.
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I can see it both ways. How some of them are perverts that know exactly what they're doing- but at the same time I can see how it could be argued how this may not have even happened unless To Catch A Predator had almost entrapped the person. Not exactly a good legal reason to get out of actually showing up in what is a bad situation, but you have to have a little sympathy for giving in to a little bit of temptation, no so much that they intentionally went online with the intention of molesting girls.
People say that its good that we get the people who still "think" this way and to lock them up before they become this kind of pedo predator. Well, there are better ways of getting people that help without publicly humiliating them, essentially and entrapping them in police matters. I'll admit that this kind of fetish for younger girls is odd, but I also think a lot of these guys have other redeemable qualities, we can give them therapy for their attraction, without permanently labeling them a sex offender for the rest of their life for, essentially, one screw up- that didn't even involve any actual molestation.
It's all very contextual, I guess.
People say that its good that we get the people who still "think" this way and to lock them up before they become this kind of pedo predator. Well, there are better ways of getting people that help without publicly humiliating them, essentially and entrapping them in police matters. I'll admit that this kind of fetish for younger girls is odd, but I also think a lot of these guys have other redeemable qualities, we can give them therapy for their attraction, without permanently labeling them a sex offender for the rest of their life for, essentially, one screw up- that didn't even involve any actual molestation.
It's all very contextual, I guess.
Perhaps a more sarcastic approach is in order...Father Time said:
*gets up on soapbox*
They were only trying to diddle your children. Gawd forbid the pedophiles get their feelings hurt. Those darned police and television reporters tricked them. They only wanted to sexually abuse children. It's not like they were selling drugs or anything. They were simply destroy the innocence of the next generation.
Since you were so kind to quote snippets from my original post, perhaps you read all of it. Including the part where I mentioned I was abused in such a manner when I was a child.
Now, pause to reflect when I ask this question...
Do you think I give a fuck if the pedophiles got their fucking feelings hurt or were treated in the slightest bit unfairly?
They were arrested while attempting to have sex with children. I stressed it time and again because while people are trying to figure out the different shades of gray morality, it seems to be a fact that seems to keep being forgotten.
Others arguing that people like that them have any form of human right just piss me right off. They surrendered any right to be called human the second they decided to fuck children. These people are manipulative snakes, wolves in sheep's clothing.
I pray you never have children. I would hate for something as such to happen to your child. Perhaps the blurred lines of morality would come into sharp focus for you then.
*climbs off the soapbox*
Thank you and good day.
All I have to ask is thus: Are you a registered sex offender? It's rare to see someone okay with the work of the pedo. Sorry, it strikes me as thus. You seem to be hung up on cops filing proper paperwork, and less on stopping child predators.Father Time said:
You remind me of the mother from the South Park movie. You know, the one who states killing is fine, as long as no one says any naughty words. Just missed the complete point.
You've missed the train completely. Go back to your dorm room and sink back into the haze of bong smoke. I'm sure your degree in philosophy is going to pay off in the long run.
I fully and gladly support those people protecting my both children and you. They did not exercise any type of absolute freedom. They got dangerous predators off of the streets, albeit it was for only a short time, thanks to people like you.
There is a special place in Hell for many people.
I hope you enjoy yours.
First Japan's age of concent is 13. Japan is Not a 3rd world country either. Puberty, and the desire for sex starts at 13 years old.
The show is immoral, as well as the concept. They are worst then the pedophiles. The seek them out, seduce them, and lie/trick them to agree to have sex. They do this to put them in jail and humiliate them.
A pedophiles is not dangerous, they are not rapers, atleast not all. They just find young people attractive. If your not causing harm, it's ok, just don't harm anyone.
If at 13 year old, want to have sex, do not blame pedos. Realize that that a 13 yo can have sex.
Another thing, if you tell a pedo were you live and that you want sex, IT'S FUCKING CONCENT! Now there are psychology problems that can rise from similar cases. However, was it cause by sex or something else?
Being told that your a victim to a horrible crime enough times can fuck you up. So can a complete dick, even if your 36 and it was concent.
If there's no real victim, it's not a crime.
The show is immoral, as well as the concept. They are worst then the pedophiles. The seek them out, seduce them, and lie/trick them to agree to have sex. They do this to put them in jail and humiliate them.
A pedophiles is not dangerous, they are not rapers, atleast not all. They just find young people attractive. If your not causing harm, it's ok, just don't harm anyone.
If at 13 year old, want to have sex, do not blame pedos. Realize that that a 13 yo can have sex.
Another thing, if you tell a pedo were you live and that you want sex, IT'S FUCKING CONCENT! Now there are psychology problems that can rise from similar cases. However, was it cause by sex or something else?
Being told that your a victim to a horrible crime enough times can fuck you up. So can a complete dick, even if your 36 and it was concent.
If there's no real victim, it's not a crime.
I enjoy the show. I watch it right before the public beheadings hour, and often catch re-runs when my favorite Kangaroo Court isn't in session for the week.
It really is good to know that we've finally found a crime so heinous that cruel and unusual punishments are bag in style! Woot!
It really is good to know that we've finally found a crime so heinous that cruel and unusual punishments are bag in style! Woot!
That's not true. If they aren't paedos, they are still treated as one by NBC and their face and name is spewed all across the program. They loose their job, their friends don't want to know them anymore and they are humiliated.BlueCollarTweaker said:
Yeah. I hear the fact they had 2 camera crews and several fully armed SWAT men cramming to get in his door had nothing to do with it.BlueCollarTweaker said:
There are a few episodes that show clear entrapment and these cases are overthrown by judges. The people acting as decoys to trap the "sex offenders" are not the police and have no legal power (or knowledge) what so ever. They are volunteers. They should not be in the position to act as decoys for the police. The police don't even know what is in the chat logs half the time.Father Time said:
That is not grounds for an arrest on television.
Using deception to arrest dangerous individuals. Personally, I don't have a problem with the idea.
It's not entrapment, that would mean that Dateline was coercing people into performing actions they wouldn't do otherwise. These predators are all too eager to go and have sex with what they think is a young child. It's comparable to a police officer going undercover as a prostitute in order to catch solicitors (granted, prostitution isn't nearly on the same level as having sex with a minor).
If Dateline didn't lure the predators to their trap-house, these pedophiles would have just tried to get with a real child
It's not entrapment, that would mean that Dateline was coercing people into performing actions they wouldn't do otherwise. These predators are all too eager to go and have sex with what they think is a young child. It's comparable to a police officer going undercover as a prostitute in order to catch solicitors (granted, prostitution isn't nearly on the same level as having sex with a minor).
If Dateline didn't lure the predators to their trap-house, these pedophiles would have just tried to get with a real child
Congratulations, you do not understand the definition of 'informed consent'.lonercs said:
"An informed consent can be said to have been given based upon a clear appreciation and understanding of the facts, implications, and future consequences of an action. In order to give informed consent, the individual concerned must have adequate reasoning faculties and be in possession of all relevant facts at the time consent is given. Impairments to reasoning and judgment which may make it impossible for someone to give informed consent include such factors as basic intellectual or emotional immaturity, high levels of stress such as PTSD or as severe mental retardation, severe mental illness, intoxication, severe sleep deprivation, Alzheimer's disease, or being in a coma."
Children cannot give informed consent. They are simply too young to fully understand the consequences of their actions, not to mention adults can easily coerce them due to their position of authority.
If your son opens the door for a salesman and the salesman sells him a house, is that a legally binding agreement? Of course not. Same deal here.
Morally questionable? Perhaps at one time, but not anymore. Rationale?
It is very reasonable to expect a pedophile to accept any forward offer of underage sex, or propose any offer. I don't condone it, but it is to be expected from a pedophile. What is morally questionable is that it has been broadcast all over our nation. They have the right to broadcast whatever they choose, but it is fundamentally unnecessary for me to see exactly what happened.
After a few seasons (seriously, how long has this been on the air?), all they are doing is warning pedophiles to be more careful in their predatory ways. Most people have seen this show, and damn near everybody at least knows about it. THIS INCLUDES PEDOPHILES. If they know there is now a greater chance that they will not only be caught, but humiliated by Chris H. as well, why would they be so stupid as to try to do the same stupid shit every other pedophile on the show has done? All the show is doing is forcing pedophiles to change their tactics. That, friends, is what is fucked up. Pedophiles don't need to be warned not to do something in order to avoid jailtime, they just need to be arrested.
Congratulations, Chris Hansen, you have now ushered in the new wave of smarter, more aware pedophiles. You are a fucking idiot.
If you really want to catch perverts by using the same fucking tactic, keep that tactic on the fucking down-low. Does this really need an explanation?
P.S. - This is really no different that the squad of bait cars in Minneapolis. The more people know about it, the less overt they will be about their crimes.
It is very reasonable to expect a pedophile to accept any forward offer of underage sex, or propose any offer. I don't condone it, but it is to be expected from a pedophile. What is morally questionable is that it has been broadcast all over our nation. They have the right to broadcast whatever they choose, but it is fundamentally unnecessary for me to see exactly what happened.
After a few seasons (seriously, how long has this been on the air?), all they are doing is warning pedophiles to be more careful in their predatory ways. Most people have seen this show, and damn near everybody at least knows about it. THIS INCLUDES PEDOPHILES. If they know there is now a greater chance that they will not only be caught, but humiliated by Chris H. as well, why would they be so stupid as to try to do the same stupid shit every other pedophile on the show has done? All the show is doing is forcing pedophiles to change their tactics. That, friends, is what is fucked up. Pedophiles don't need to be warned not to do something in order to avoid jailtime, they just need to be arrested.
Congratulations, Chris Hansen, you have now ushered in the new wave of smarter, more aware pedophiles. You are a fucking idiot.
If you really want to catch perverts by using the same fucking tactic, keep that tactic on the fucking down-low. Does this really need an explanation?
P.S. - This is really no different that the squad of bait cars in Minneapolis. The more people know about it, the less overt they will be about their crimes.
don't the victims technically have to sign a release? sort of seems odd that anyone would consent to have it televised regardless of whether it's moral or not
After mulling this over, I don't like their practices as mentioned in the first thing you said here. however, he could have simply handed himself over and eventually have been proven innocent. There were other possible outcomes, but he did choose to pull the trigger himself.Kortney said:
I'm on the fence with this. I personally think To Catch A Predator doesn't give a damn about catching actual predators as much as getting easy ratings outta exploiting the public's hate of pedophiles thru public humiliation of them.
Police use bait and snare tactics all the time, and arrest individuals who attempt the crimes they are baited for even if they haven't done the crime yet. This I am okay with for the most part; fact is there is way more crime than the authorities can stop. Preventative measures were inevitable.
But barging into a public officials house when his conscious get the better of him (or not, he may have simply gotten suspicious) is excessive. And he might not have committed suicide if he knew he wouldn't be paraded and stripped of his dignity on national television.
Tough call. But in the end I don't support it.
Police use bait and snare tactics all the time, and arrest individuals who attempt the crimes they are baited for even if they haven't done the crime yet. This I am okay with for the most part; fact is there is way more crime than the authorities can stop. Preventative measures were inevitable.
But barging into a public officials house when his conscious get the better of him (or not, he may have simply gotten suspicious) is excessive. And he might not have committed suicide if he knew he wouldn't be paraded and stripped of his dignity on national television.
Tough call. But in the end I don't support it.
Honestly, I don't think its morally wrong. if there wasn't police decoys then the paedophiles could go on and abuse other young children, now think this, your a mother/father of a young 12 year old boy who is on the internet a lot, you think he online gaming so you don't think nothing of it, one day he says to you "I'm going over to a friends house ill be back at 4" and he doesn't return, the fear of him would be excruciating to bear let alone know that he was raped, abused and possibly murdered by a person he met online.
As for the laughing at them thing, they deserve what they get.
As for the laughing at them thing, they deserve what they get.
Zeeky_Santos said:
Uhh no it's not. It's murder or if you are lucky it would be "assisted suicide" which is illegal whether he wants you to or not. Point is, you'd go to jail for it either way. I don't think someone who doesn't know this should be arguing about the law.