Poll: My Reservations on the Xbox Backpedaling...

[Anthony Corrigan]

I honestly wonder about this whole "cloud" bullshit. Its easy to see that they wanted to do always online and then reduced it to once a day and then abolished it. Now I'm not saying this was wrong, it was right, it should never have been a requirement but I wonder how much they under powered the console as almost going back to the dead terminal (Its obviously not that far back but it must be to an extent) so how underpowered is it compared to the PS4 which was designed to run all on one, also the fact they have split it into 3 separate operating systems which seems like a compleatly stupid way to run anything, certainly not streamlined which is what you should expect out of a console operating system. Windows might be overloaded because PCs can be used for all these different things from gaming to business but consoles are for games, to run games and therefore shouldn't be wasting space or memory with extraneous crap which also has the potential to make them unstable. Who would forgive there console for giving you the blue screen of death?

All this is there own fault of course, they should have actually asked what WE want and built that rather than what was in there own best interests and then trying to lump the garbage on us

 

[Roxas1359]

I honestly can see them reimplementing them back in over time. Mainly because the tech is still in the actual Xbox One and the day one update is just shutting off that tech for now. I can see them pulling a Sony in this instance, in which once people agree to the EULA then they can do whatever they want with the console. For example remember when Sony removed the Linux OS from the PS3's and no one could do anything about it because they agreed to Sony's EULA? Yeah similar things can happen here.

So I take MS's "change of heart" with about 2000 lbs of salt to be quite honest. Not getting an Xbox One either because it's expensive, doesn't have games I want so far, and I despise the Kinect. Plus my 360 has been gathering dust for a while now.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

I don't like the Kinect and I don't trust them to keep their word. I think they'll try to shove down that cloud business down our throats and blame it on publishers and developers.

 

[Miss G.]

The always-online might still apply with games on their system that they define as 'online' games or ones that have a lot of cloud features, and they might encourage more publishers to use the cloud to force you to be aways connected in some fashion. This might just be a sneakier workaround the backpedaling by doing this or slipping something in the 25-40 page EULA you know you're not gonna read.

 

[Anathrax]

I don't trust them really. Because I remember all the smugness they had with the price(Seriously, find a clip of the Xbone price announcement and look at the guy's face.[footnote]No need, just look at this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2zslQ9PWPQ LOOK AT THIS FRIGGEN GUY[/footnote]), all the "Oh, can't get a connection? Go back to 360 you peasant." and "We made a good choice" comments. Piss off Microsoft, you lost so hard it's ridiculous.

 

[zumbledum]

i boycotted the xbox , xbox360 anything that requires games for windows live and ill boycott this latest pile of crap

ive hated M$ for decades!

 

[doomed89]

The always-online might still apply with games on their system that they define as 'online' games or ones that have a lot of cloud features, and they might encourage more publishers to use the cloud to force you to be aways connected in some fashion. This might just be a sneakier workaround the backpedaling by doing this or slipping something in the 25-40 page EULA you know you're not gonna read.

Um you need to be online to pay an online only game... I have MAG on the ps3 and while you don't need to be always on you do need to be online to play it, and I don't see how making used games impossible for online only games is particularly feasible, all it would do is cause another outlash and there are so few online only games it wouldn't make a real difference.

 

[Miss G.]

The always-online might still apply with games on their system that they define as 'online' games or ones that have a lot of cloud features, and they might encourage more publishers to use the cloud to force you to be aways connected in some fashion. This might just be a sneakier workaround the backpedaling by doing this or slipping something in the 25-40 page EULA you know you're not gonna read.

Um you need to be online to pay an online only game... I have MAG on the ps3 and while you don't need to be always on you do need to be online to play it, and I don't see how making used games impossible for online only games is particularly feasible, all it would do is cause another outlash and there are so few online only games it wouldn't make a real difference.

I meant that they could force the issue by having most of their more popular games/exclusives developed to be online or have a lot of cloud processing that would require being online to work well as the system itself isn't that powerful. They don't HAVE to do it, but then again, they didn't have to have DRM like they wanted to, either.

 

[loc978]

I'd like to throw Microsoft's "value for money" argument back in their faces. Inferior hardware for a higher price and an even more closed-off system than Sony (which is hard to do) mean if I ever got one for free, I wouldn't have a use for it, and I'd attempt to sell it. The extra DRM on top of that was just fecal icing on a shit-cake. Thus I shall maintain my ongoing (since 2000) boycott against the folks up in Redmond.

...so "other", I guess.

Oh and yes, I fully expect them to re-introduce the DRM in most titles with the excuse of "cloud gaming" (which only works correctly in the same building as the server rack that's doing your computing for you).

captcha: no way
...I think it learned something about watching people from the kinect.

 

[Gizmo1990]

The fact that they reversed their DRM plans changes nothing for me. The fact is they were willing and quite happy to screw us over. So they can take their Xbone and stick it somewhere dark and painfull. I will be switching to PC. After a year has gone by I will happily take a look at the PS4.

 

[neppakyo]

I find it amusing they people buy into the "cloud" All in all it is online DRM, they aren't getting rid of it if they are forcing devs to use the "cloud"

You need a pretty decent internet connection, and a good bandwidth cap (or no cap) to make use of this. And I am still leery about offsite calculations and rendering. They made the xbone pretty weak, a gpu with almost half the cores of the PS4's gpu, and inefficient and expensive eSRAM bridge, that so far is causing manufacturing problems, slower outdated DDR3 memory and the cause of using the eSRAM has a hack to make the difference up for the DDR3, and a lower clock speed for the CPU.

So in short, the "cloud" is online DRM as well.

TLR; Nope. Ain't getting the xbone. And it is called the xbone (not xbox one), also xbox 180 works as well.

 

[doomed89]

I meant that they could force the issue by having most of their more popular games/exclusives developed to be online or have a lot of cloud processing that would require being online to work well as the system itself isn't that powerful. They don't HAVE to do it, but then again, they didn't have to have DRM like they wanted to, either.

Cloud processing is completely useless in this day and age from a practical standpoint though... It'd be near impossible to code for due to fluctuating connection speeds, would cause lag and wouldn't help much anyways... so yeah I think you just fell for MSes BS PR.

 

[rumdumconundrum]

I'm glad that people pointed out that PC's also an option. At the time of writing this, I didn't even think of putting that in the poll options.

 

[The_Echo]

All three "no" reasons are applicable to me.

I don't want a Kinect. I have never been even remotely inclined to have a camera peripheral, and likely never will be.

Even if I liked the Xbone sans-DRM, I wouldn't buy it because Microsoft was arrogant enough to think they could have gotten away with that bullshit. They shouldn't be rewarded for damage control.

And I really wouldn't put it past them to reintroduce those 'features' once they have the install base. I can already see them sugar-coating it by saying "we've brought back family sharing!" or something like that.

 

[Something Amyss]

I don't want a Kinect, don't need a Kinect, and probably can't use a Kinect. I also don't trust them, but I don't trust any company out to make money (all of them) when said money is on the line. And I don't care about any exclusive yet. They even sucked the fun out of Dead Rising, from the looks.

Also, I resent the way they were dicks to us AS they were changing policy.

So I voted other.

 

[tehroc]

You're still going to need to use the cloud in order to play a good deal of your games so the 24 hour parole meeting is moot anyways. It was a non-issue in first place to use so they can say they listen to their fans. Sell me a version for $100 less without Big Brother/Kinect included.

 

[jpoon]

They lost their sale with me, I have already reserved a PS4. Maybe in a couple years after these dipshits prove they aren't bullshitting about every new scheme they come up with then I might just buy the bone. They also have to have some compelling games by then.

 

[White_Lama]

snip

So I'm sad that the whiners made them remove the family sharing.

Let me make this as clear as crystal.
MICROSOFT AND MICROSOFT ALONE MADE THAT DECISION.
NOBODY FORCED OR MADE MICROSOFT REMOVE THAT FEATURE.

It was ENTIRELY in their power to ignore consumer feedback/complaints and push ahead with what they wanted.

Yeah, right.

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No it's the Xbone since it bones anyone who buys it lol. Anyways the family share thing was just a glorified demo service and your welcome for not letting MS take away your consumer rights. Also the games you want for it are probably timed exclusive and if you were smart you'd talk your friends out of getting an xbone unless they like getting xboned.

I like trying games out before buying them, so it was a good addition.

 

[Requia]

Two things, concerning the back-pedalling specifically (and ignoring the kinect).

If a corporation gives in and gives the consumer what they demand, continuing to complain about how the corporation *used* to do awful things just discourages them from fixing their fuckups next time.

MS didn't, at the end of the day, do anything Sony didn't. Sony was just smart enough to keep their mouths shut until after MS opened theirs, and to back off faster when people freaked out.

 

[Altorin]

after attempting to use a Kinect 1.0 to play Skyrim, I am completely unsold on the whole concept of voice commands, and as a fat lazy guy, that's all I'd ever get out of a Kinect.. The only feature that impressed me was the quicksave/quickload that the Kinect introduced. But that's just that - adding that functionality without having to talk would have been better.

Pushing a button will always be better then waving your arm or saying some words. the only Dashboard functionality I like the Kinect for is searching the arcade/DLC shop, but even that, a few button presses will give you much more precise control.

It's just flawed from the conceptual stage. Even three syllables, "Equip Bow" is slower then just tapping up on the d-pad, especially when you consider that tapping up pauses the game, whereas saying "Equip bow" doesn't, and often, the Kinect will mis-hear you, so it comes down to saying it again and again.. It's just not worth it. I didn't even get around to playing with the shouts because I was so thoroughly unimpressed with its ability to parse commands that were in regular english.. Maybe I'll get around to trying it out, but I don't have high hopes.

I don't have any faith in Kinect 2.0 fixing these issues as the input lag involved in just saying words as opposed to pressing buttons is just inherent. It can fix the word recognition, but at the end of the day, it will still be slower.

..

So being required to spend an extra 100 dollars for a Kinect 2.0 which seems bigger and clunkier then a Kinect 1.0, I just don't want it, and that's "ermergerddersperringernerss" aside.