These days? They never could please anyone. Everyone would complain about them. And it's pretty sad that they get all the flak while games like Call of Duty get nothing. Maybe some hate. But not as much as Nintendo.Phoenix_XIII said:These days it doesn't...Aura Guardian said:Each time I read this, I am reminded of this picturePhoenix_XIII said:
Seems Nintendo never wins.
Well...
I liked Super Smash Brothers Brawl. If only because it's SSB and because Solid Snake is in it.
Poll: Nintendo's Quality In Consoles (i.e. Motion Controls and 3D)
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Oh believe me. I complain about CoD and Halo constantly. Only reason I got Black Ops was the shut my friends up about it. It's not very fun. You go in expecting with a Title like Black Ops some damn stealth but it says, "NO! Now take that crossbow with exploding arrows and kill people." to which I reply by shooting it in the head with a silenced pistol and hiding away in the shadows....Aura Guardian said:These days? They never could please anyone. Everyone would complain about them. And it's pretty sad that they get all the flak while games like Call of Duty get nothing. Maybe some hate. But not as much as Nintendo.Phoenix_XIII said:These days it doesn't...Aura Guardian said:Each time I read this, I am reminded of this picturePhoenix_XIII said:
Seems Nintendo never wins.
Well...
I liked Super Smash Brothers Brawl. If only because it's SSB and because Solid Snake is in it.
Oh, another Nintendo complaint thread. Motion controls are cool when done right, the Wii is the best system Nintendo's released since the SNES, and the 3DS judgement is being made too quickly--weak launch titles didn't stop people from loving the 360 or PS3.
You know, working in Nintendo's business end must be the worst job in the world.
In the 80's:
You know, a huge flood of crappy knock-offs kind of caused a giant collapse of the entire industry in the US...it'd probably be best to use huge levels of control to keep the content clean and to stop big publishers from flooding the market.
In the late 90's:
Huh...people don't like censorship, do they? Well, I guess in retrospect that was a bad decision, even if it seemed reasonable at the time. Let's dump those regulations...what do you mean the third parties are already gone?
DS/Early Wii years:
Umm...we've brought in a huge number of new fans, but our older fans don't seem to like new things...apparently making Wii Sports means we've abandoned them. Did they even play Galaxy, Twilight Princess, and Brawl? Oh, and now they're mad that we aren't using extreme methods of third party control...
Late Wii:
Alright, we've released a stream of retro-style platformers...they're critically loved and bringing some old styles back to the mainstream....wait, now they're upset because we're using classic styles? What the hell do these people want?
You know, working in Nintendo's business end must be the worst job in the world.
In the 80's:
You know, a huge flood of crappy knock-offs kind of caused a giant collapse of the entire industry in the US...it'd probably be best to use huge levels of control to keep the content clean and to stop big publishers from flooding the market.
In the late 90's:
Huh...people don't like censorship, do they? Well, I guess in retrospect that was a bad decision, even if it seemed reasonable at the time. Let's dump those regulations...what do you mean the third parties are already gone?
DS/Early Wii years:
Umm...we've brought in a huge number of new fans, but our older fans don't seem to like new things...apparently making Wii Sports means we've abandoned them. Did they even play Galaxy, Twilight Princess, and Brawl? Oh, and now they're mad that we aren't using extreme methods of third party control...
Late Wii:
Alright, we've released a stream of retro-style platformers...they're critically loved and bringing some old styles back to the mainstream....wait, now they're upset because we're using classic styles? What the hell do these people want?
Good point.CrystalShadow said:
A while back someone released 3D glasses for the PC with an interesting twist, rather than expecting game developers to support this they did the hardware support themselves for every individual game they supported (since this was a single piece of hardware, and no an industry standard, the market was too small to expect developers to support it). From my understanding it was pretty good although I don't believe it lasted all that long.
The people want something new, but they want to make it still comfortable and familiar. There is no real winning. Sorry Charlie Sheen. Wait. Why be sorry for Charlie Sheen? He seems to be doing okay.... I think.starwarsgeek said:
But what I want is for a console with the best of all of their stuff. Good graphics, good inovation (Hey You Pikachu was pretty cool.), and just overall epicness.
I respect your opinion. Everyone's opinion varies.Chibz said:
My only problem is that I was born in the controller era. Naturally, motion controls and everything with that seem strange and weird to me. I guess it just has to do with what generation you are. The younger kids can embrace the Wii because they have no real point of comparison. And then others are just better at adapting. I'm not too good with adapting to the new generation of gaming.
I find that convenience is a really horrible argument, are you saying the inconvenience of finding enough room to use the motion controls or inconvenient to stand up to play an actual game, because the former only effects some of the population while the latter could probably be seen as a positive to people who care about their fitness.VikingSteve said:
They already did new things. They were just too afraid to tell the people. Imagine, if Other M was introducing a fresh heroine with a traumatized past. It'd be easier for people to sympathize than it's disastrous inclusion in Metroid canon.Phoenix_XIII said:
Epic Yarn was to be named Prince Fluff, after the second player's chracter, but they opted to name it Kirby. Why? It was fresh and new. And NOTHING like Kirby anyway.
I could go on, but there's one thing that bugs me and Nintendo (and noone else) never did with the Wii. A great action/adventure game, based around how awesome it'd be to wield your Wiimote as your sword or other weaponry. That's what the Wii lacks and what Nintendo COULD deliver with Skyward Sword. We'll see how that goes.
Nintendo just needs to not be afraid. Hell, if all gaming companies were afraid, we wouldn't have Bulletstorm and we wouldn't have Duke Nukem Forever. Wait... We STILL don't have Duke Nukem forever....MasterV said:
Whatever. Point made. Nintendo needs to take Eminem's advice and not be afraid!
Eh. You are probably correct on most of that.VikingSteve said:
Of course, the Xbox controller shows it's history in reverting the symbols and colours used for it's buttons to being XYAB in Red, Blue, Green & Yellow.
The most obvious comparison is to a Sony DualShock controller, but that in itself is a very blatant copy of the layout of an SNES controller.
So, Sony made a wholesale copy of another design (presumably changed primarily due to the risk of lawsuits), gradually bolted on extra bits over the years, then a competitor copies their design, and 'coincidentally' makes it look quite a bit like the original that Sony copied?
Actually, hold an Xbox controller next to an SNES controller (Use a European or Japanese Snes controller, because the US one messes up the colour scheme) and it's kind of spooky how much the button layout looks alike.
Sure the order of X and Y, A & B has been swapped, as has the colours of A & Y, but otherwise, it's the same layout, but with a few extras, and a massive ergonomic improvement.
To say it's copied from Sony is technically accurate taking all the additions into account, but a copy of a copy which has an aesthetic design more reminiscent of the original is unlikely to happen completely at random.
Actually, scratch that. You claim Xbox has changed theirs to mimic Sony's, but the layout of the original isn't that different to the current form, and what's more, the current design has always existed, but only for the japanese Xbox. (Later released worldwide as controller 'S' - Presumably because it was designed with smaller hands in mind, and then going on to inspire the standard Xbox 360 controller.)
Best not to point out how people get 'history' wrong (such as the N64 not being the first system with an analog stick) if you're going to make several obvious blunders yourself.
But anyway, I'm sure we can collectively keep correcting each-other for quite some time before we run out of things to correct...
Actually, what you're calling 3D is actually stereoscopy. I was invented back in 1838 and was first used in movies in 1952 with Bwana Devil. Incidentally, they used primarily polarized glasses back then, not the red and blue anaglyph as is typically thought. Polarized glasses are used today in most theaters. It has been improved a bit in the last 50 years, but not much.Phoenix_XIII said:
Sorry about my time error. XDDthe antithesis said:
I just like complaining about how 3D pretty much ruined one of my favorite movie series. Friday the 13th. But as stated earlier, it could've been bad with or without the 3D.
I can see "the gimmick phase" as you call it to become standard amongst all of the console manufacturers. With increasing competition from the likes of smartphones, tablets and services like OnLive promising to stream games straight to your TV, consoles need to differentiate themselves from the crowd, and frankly MOAR GRAPHIX won't cut it. I can see Microsoft and Sony follow Nintendo in incorporating major changes to get the attention of the audience.
The NGP is rumoured to have a reverse touch screen, and if you incorporate that with a motion controller we could have the next generation of the PlayStation Move. But it's a handheld.
Such a pity that the original post is blatant pandering to the Escapist forum crowd, who generally speaking hates Nintendo. I realise I'm tarring with a broad brush, but that's what I think is the consensus around here.
The NGP is rumoured to have a reverse touch screen, and if you incorporate that with a motion controller we could have the next generation of the PlayStation Move. But it's a handheld.
Such a pity that the original post is blatant pandering to the Escapist forum crowd, who generally speaking hates Nintendo. I realise I'm tarring with a broad brush, but that's what I think is the consensus around here.
Haha! Pretty much!Phoenix_XIII said:
Also to stop shoving motion controls down people's throats. I remember when the Wii was marketed as a "play however the feck you like" console. They had motion controls out of the box, but also kept touting the fact that you could hold it sideways for 2D games, attach a classic controller for regular games or even plug in your old GC controller!
And then they go and release DKCR which requires you to shake the controller to attack, when the button 1 is perfectly suited to the task. Or even the, you know, OTHER controllers that could be used by people not comfortable with the wiimote? And now that I said "other", same goes for Other M.
EDIT: It should be noted that, although I seem quite critical of Nintendo, I actually love their games. Not all of them, but when they make good games, I believe they arguably make some of the best games.
Again, I have a problem getting my words and thoughts organized correctly so I may have accidentally said something I didn't mean. Maybe if gaming companies would put aside their differences and worked together, they could beat smartphones and things like that.Delusibeta said:
Lol. My bad. Actually, funny thing there. Did you know old light-gun games (like duck hunt) no longer work on modern TV's?Phoenix_XIII said:
(The aiming mechanism in a light gun relies on doing something to the display timing on a TV, but it fails when the TV in question isn't a CRT display.)
I've actually seen several such games re-released for the Wii, probably because it's been a while since that was possible on a home console with traditional light gun tech, and because the Wii has something similar built-in in the form of the pointer.
Hehe. That's another hidden feature in PC graphics hardware that rarely got implemented in the drivers.Hungry Donner said:
Nvidia made a big deal about it for a while in their really old hardware (like around 2000),
But ATI has never mentioned it at all.
Yet, if you see the low-level hardware docs when they gave the info needed to make open source drivers, it makes mention of a 'sync' signal whose only purpose is to allow 3d glasses to work.
More recently, NVidia has brought back their 3d glasses, and interestingly Ati, while not making any glasses available, has given people access to a program that can turn on 3D in a variety of formats suitable for different hardware setups at the driver level.
I played around with it for a while (I have an ATI card), because one of the options is the really cheap old-fashioned red/blue anaglyph glasses...
Suffice to say that makes most games look horrible, but the key thing is that it can be turned on in the driver, and thus works with any game.
(And I've done my own tests, and have yet to see it fail with anything, despite none of the games I tried having been designed with that in mind.)
That's when you realise 3D games might play better in 3D if designed specifically to be in 3D, but it's otherwise entirely down to the hardware to do it, and it can be done with a large proportion of the games made since about 1996 or so.