Poll: No-kids-allowed movement. Yay or nay?

Bloodstain

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How about this: When the child starts crying or otherwise disturbing other people, ask the family to leave the place?

Outright banning children from restaurants, for example, is outright ridiculous. Last time I checked, eating wasn't exclusively for adults.
 

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Archangel357 said:
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But you are special right? That's why you get your way.

I've had my fill of this subject. Good sir I wish you luck in your future endeavors and many happy years with your fiance.
No, I get my way because judges and lawyers tend to be responsible adults with academic degrees.

Bye, Pirate_Kitty. Have fun trolling other threads.
So stating my opinion is trolling now? Whatever help you sleep at night Mr. Perfect. I'll just go ahead and treat you like the 5 year old you're so intent on being if you keep it up.

Also who's Pirate_Kitty?
 

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I'm 16 and currently any kids from when they are born to the age of 12 I find annoying. I mean when I am at a movie or resturant and some whinny brat starts crying or getting mad over something. I just want to leave. So I would say yay
 

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Quit taking your kids to fancy restaurants and ruining my birthdays/anniversaries/graduations!! I went to the Keg with my [ex] boyfriend for his birthday, and there was a couple with their noisy daughter who was eating chicken fingers. Why couldn't you just take her to McDonald's if that's all she wanted? What's that? Because you wanted steak like the rest of us old enough to appreciate it? Then get a fucking babysitter, as you clearly have the money for a couple child-free hours.
 

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Archangel357 said:
xmbts said:
Archangel357 said:
But you are special right? That's why you get your way.

I've had my fill of this subject. Good sir I wish you luck in your future endeavors and many happy years with your fiance.
No, I get my way because judges and lawyers tend to be responsible adults with academic degrees.

Bye, Pirate_Kitty. Have fun trolling other threads.
You know Pirate Kitty was banned right? And then joined and was banned a second time?

OT: Brat bans? Heck no. What jam jam thought that one up? Sure, possibly for some very precise examples, like pubs with a football match on, or very fancy resturants. But I can only think of a limited number of examples. This isn't to ban children, it's to ban noise.
 

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So stating my opinion is trolling now? Whatever help you sleep at night Mr. Perfect. I'll just go ahead and treat you like the 5 year old you're so intent on being if you keep it up.
No, stating your opinion in an utterly obstinate, passive-aggressive manner while paying no heed to the facts laid before you and insulting others while accusing them of being offensive?


THAT's trolling. You're really good at it, too. And please, for God's sake, don't ever have children.
The 'Facts' you're referring to are your opinions, as I said before in this neither one of us is right or wrong here.

Excuse any perceived hostility it may be because you've been insulting me this entire time.

Now then this is getting totally irrelevant to this thread, if you have a problem with me you're welcome to send me a PM.

Good evening little boy.
 

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Implying all parents have access to sitters at all times of day and night, or the cash to pay for them or the inclination to leave their child/children with a stranger who often isn't that much more than a child themselves (I've never seen a babysitter any older than 16). No lets force all parents to stash their children away to satiate your petty grudge against all things below puberty.

Or you could man up, grow a pair and stop getting so stroppy at these minor incoveniences at worst.

And after the checking the poll. Maker preserve me I never knew the Escapist was full of such bitter old grouches.
I speak as a married thirty something with a ten year old stepson, who is looking at having another child in the near future.

Parents made a decision, now they need to live with the fallout of that decision. For generations parents have understood that, once they have kids, their ability to socialise with other adults tends to be limited to places their children need to go (playschool, kindy, whatever) and when they can get a sitter. As the child gets older, it can be taken more places.. and should be to ensure that it knows how to behave when in public.. however, part of that is ensuring they behave themselves and do not disturb people around them.

When it comes to babies, there is a simple biological fact... a baby's cries are hard wired into the human brain to annoy and distress.

The problem these days is twofold.. one, that parents seem to think they can live the same lives they did before they had children without any changes... and two, they refuse to properly discipline their children in public, although that is partly society's fault not theirs.

I support places of business having a choice to exclude elements of society they feel would be disruptive.. be this small children, loud twenty somethings, or large groups of elderly people blocking the aisles. When it comes to children, when other parents return to a "seen and not heard" attitude in public then I will be more accepting.
 

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xmbts said:
The 'Facts' you're referring to are your opinions, as I said before in this neither one of us is right or wrong here.
Actually, they're facts that you ignored while stating your opinion. Like this isn't a matter of law, but of individual business decisions. Like it's not discriminating against parents any more than any other not-child-appropriate business is. Like people being rude and inconsiderate for decades are finally feeling some pushback, and you're out of line for insulting the victims. Like sometimes not being able to do whatever you want is one of those 'sacrifices' parents have to make when they become parents.
 

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I really can't say, I'd rather ban everyone. xD I fraking hate crowds at stores... taking 12 minutes to get my thing purchased or taking half an hour because I'm stuck behind old people.

Anyways, their should be not so much a ban, but a requirement that the kid and parents must leave if he/she is making a disturbance.
 

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not so much old grouches as younger, self entitled, internet tough guys who were probably worse then the kids they complain about as children judging about how they still whine like baby's as adults.
I expect children to cry, scream and shout. It's what they do. When adults do it, especially in threads like these where they mask it by pretending to be intellectual, a little bit more of me is consumed by rage. Not to mention the sheer over-blown ego required to actually think you deserve some kind of say on where children can or can't be. Unless it's specifically adult orientated (strip clubs, liquor stores etc.) kid's can go wherever their parents let/take them.
 

meticadpa

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How do you define kids?

A 12-year-old's unlikely to kick up a fuss in a situation like that (at least a semi-mature one), but a 4-year-old will. I'm technically a child at 16, and I certainly wouldn't appreciate being banned because of my age.
 

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I don't think kids should be outright-banned, but some changes are needed. Honestly I think the restaurant, bar, theatre, and etc should only be able to say who can do what in their establishment. I hate smoking and in my world it would be banned, but I still believe that the business should have the final say and not the Gov't. In my opinion, no children should be in bars or theatres pass 8:00pm, but that is for the owners to decide. If a child becomes a nuisance, then the establishment has the right to kick them out. I hate most children personally, but I know a few that are surprisingly mature beyond their age and see no problem with taking them anywhere. Some children will be a problem even if they have good parents for different reasons and so it's not always the parents falt sometimes...
 

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Archangel357 said:
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You know Pirate Kitty was banned right? And then joined and was banned a second time?
Sort of my point. The MO seems pretty similar to me. There was a discussion on Twilight once where Pirate Kitty did some class-A trolling, stating that it must be good because it was so popular... Me, naive and inexperienced back then, fell right into it (along with some other blokes) and got myself suspended for my troubles. Good times.

The whole passive-aggressive thing just reminds me of ol' PK, is all. Not saying that it IS Pirate Kitty, just eerily similar.
Right, was a litle hard to tell with you sayingstuff like...

"Bye, Pirate_Kitty. Have fun trolling other threads."

You know, not saying it was PK at all...
 

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VanTesla said:
Honestly I think the restaurant, bar, theatre, and etc should only be able to say who can do what in their establishment. I hate smoking and in my world it would be banned, but I still believe that the business should have the final say and not the Gov't. In my opinion, no children should be in bars or theatres pass 8:00pm, but that is for the owners to decide.
Exactly. And contrary to what some of the people here are saying, that's exactly what's happening. The only way the government is involved in this is if they step in and take that right AWAY (which they probably will, since they rarely do anything right, AFAIC).
 

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Archangel357 said:
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The 'Facts' you're referring to are your opinions, as I said before in this neither one of us is right or wrong here.
Actually, they're facts that you ignored while stating your opinion. Like this isn't a matter of law, but of individual business decisions. Like it's not discriminating against parents any more than any other not-child-appropriate business is. Like people being rude and inconsiderate for decades are finally feeling some pushback, and you're out of line for insulting the victims. Like sometimes not being able to do whatever you want is one of those 'sacrifices' parents have to make when they become parents.
I'm sorry victim, I didn't know life was so difficult, with all these kids you aren't responsible for running about giving you an eyesore and an earache. Clearly of all the wrongdoings in the world this is the most grievous one.
Yep, full-on troll. First, piss people off by stating an outrageously stupid opinion, then, neglect everything they say, never respond to any points, and finally, insult them in a disgustingly smarmy, passive-aggressive fashion.
I came here and stated my opinion, you instigated every response I've given, I dare say you're the troll here, unless you really are that arrogant and self absorbed.

Bah this is a ridiculous mudsling, send me a PM if you really care that much otherwise leave me be and quit making a spectacle out of this.

Nighty night 'widdle man.

*pinches cheek*