Poll: Nobody gets a complete version of LA Noir.

[GonzoGamer]

I just don't want to end up paying $60 for a demo that needs to be filled out with $100 worth of dlc because that's what we're heading for if people just accept and pay for everything the developers/retailers as them to.

A 25-hour demo?

Yeah, I think that just proves my point. You don't know what you're talking about.

Or that you don't finish reading before posting. I said that's what we're heading to if people are so accepting of these practices , not that LA Noir itself would be a $60 demo.

It's a tiny part of the game that is not even part of the full experience.

If this might seriously stop some of you from buying the game, man up.

Most people think that sticking up for yourself is more "manly" than bending over for whatever moneymaking scheme these companies try and catch you in.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

Or that you don't finish reading before posting. I said that's what we're heading to if people are so accepting of these practices , not that LA Noir itself would be a $60 demo.

Your argument was a gross exaggeration and made no sense whatsoever in context. I compared the frankly insane prediction of 60-dollar demoes to the state of the industry today and to the topic at hand.

Why don't you pull the "you people are ruining the industry" card, too? Oh, wait. You already did.

Most people think that sticking up for yourself is more "manly" than bending over for whatever moneymaking scheme these companies try and catch you in.

FUCK YEAH, WAY TO STICK IT TO THE MAN.

Those damned companies are sure assholes for trying to make money.

I'm sorry, there's no scheme in the topic at hand - the console separate DLCs are paid for by the console manufacturers.

If you're talking about the pre-order thing, I see nothing inherently wrong with that - nobody's forcing anyone to buy that little part of content out of a 25-hour game.

Poor you, everyone's trying to scheme you and get your money and the rest of the customers are sheep.

 

[GonzoGamer]

Or that you don't finish reading before posting. I said that's what we're heading to if people are so accepting of these practices , not that LA Noir itself would be a $60 demo.

Your argument was a gross exaggeration and made no sense whatsoever in context. I compared the frankly insane prediction of 60-dollar demoes to the state of the industry today and to the topic at hand.

Why don't you pull the "you people are ruining the industry" card, too? Oh, wait. You already did.

Most people think that sticking up for yourself is more "manly" than bending over for whatever moneymaking scheme these companies try and catch you in.

FUCK YEAH, WAY TO STICK IT TO THE MAN.

Those damned companies are sure assholes for trying to make money.

I'm sorry, there's no scheme in the topic at hand - the console separate DLCs are paid for by the console manufacturers.

If you're talking about the pre-order thing, I see nothing inherently wrong with that - nobody's forcing anyone to buy that little part of content out of a 25-hour game.

Poor you, everyone's trying to scheme you and get your money and the rest of the customers are sheep.

Well, I'm glad you're at least getting the point now, even if you do insist on keeping your head in the sand... and you know what part that leaves unprotected.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

Well, I'm glad you're at least getting the point now, even if you do insist on keeping your head in the sand... and you know what part that leaves unprotected.

If that's your definition of "unprotected", I shall look forward to you boycotting every successful developer ever.

Good day, sir.

 

[LogicNProportion]

I don't really give a crap about Exclusive DLC, Day-1 DLC, or any DLC for that matter. If any problem I have with it, it's because I'm almost forced in my head to get it because I'm a collector or just about everything...

PS. I have the original Iron Man(s) 1-300, and then some, whatcha gonna do!? >D

 

[GonzoGamer]

Well, I'm glad you're at least getting the point now, even if you do insist on keeping your head in the sand... and you know what part that leaves unprotected.

If that's your definition of "unprotected", I shall look forward to you boycotting every successful developer ever.

Good day, sir.

Yes the way I boycotted Valve by buying Portal 2 this week /sarcasm.
See, now they know how to get on my good side: they gave me a free PC copy of the game with the ps3 version. They didn't say "well if you buy the ps3 version at walmart, you'll get gameplay content that you would otherwise have to buy separately to play."
So sony was still able to get me to buy the ps3 version even though I was originally intending to get the pc version. That's a "bonus."

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

Yes the way I boycotted Valve by buying Portal 2 this week /sarcasm.
See, now they know how to get on my good side: they gave me a free PC copy of the game with the ps3 version. They didn't say "well if you buy the ps3 version at walmart, you'll get gameplay content that you would otherwise have to buy separately to play."
So sony was still able to get me to buy the ps3 version even though I was originally intending to get the pc version. That's a "bonus."

Now, system-specific DLC - that's robbery.

 

[GonzoGamer]

Yes the way I boycotted Valve by buying Portal 2 this week /sarcasm.
See, now they know how to get on my good side: they gave me a free PC copy of the game with the ps3 version. They didn't say "well if you buy the ps3 version at walmart, you'll get gameplay content that you would otherwise have to buy separately to play."
So sony was still able to get me to buy the ps3 version even though I was originally intending to get the pc version. That's a "bonus."

Now, system-specific DLC - that's robbery.

To someone who doesn't own that system, yes. It's not like they get the game for any cheaper, they just get less game.
But to tell you the truth, that doesn't even bother me as much as the different retail specific dlc that's gameplay content.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

To someone who doesn't own that system, yes. It's not like they get the game for any cheaper, they just get less game.
But to tell you the truth, that doesn't even bother me as much as the different retail specific dlc that's gameplay content.

You have every right to be bothered by the retail specific content. I'm not a fan myself, not living in the US. However, I have every right to believe that not buying a game solely because of that is ridiculous. And I don't see why it could be considered a rational decision.

 

[DustyDrB]

To someone who doesn't own that system, yes. It's not like they get the game for any cheaper, they just get less game.
But to tell you the truth, that doesn't even bother me as much as the different retail specific dlc that's gameplay content.

You have every right to be bothered by the retail specific content. I'm not a fan myself, not living in the US. However, I have every right to believe that not buying a game solely because of that is ridiculous. And I don't see why it could be considered a rational decision.

I'm split on whether I'm not going to buy it at all or if I'll get it used on eBay and avoid DLC for the game. Maybe it's ridiculous, maybe it's not. I could be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time. I just think it's really unfair that the most devoted fans will still miss out on story content (even side story) even if they pre-order the game from GameStop and for the PS3. Missions should be available for everyone. Guns, outfits, and stuff like that I care less about. I still don't like that, but those things usually aren't very useful anyway.

I don't think they are evil for trying to make money, they just doing what a business should do. Consumer's get to look in their own self-interest as well, though. I think a good tension of both sides looking out for themselves helps make sure that neither party gets screwed over.

 

[GonzoGamer]

To someone who doesn't own that system, yes. It's not like they get the game for any cheaper, they just get less game.
But to tell you the truth, that doesn't even bother me as much as the different retail specific dlc that's gameplay content.

You have every right to be bothered by the retail specific content. I'm not a fan myself, not living in the US. However, I have every right to believe that not buying a game solely because of that is ridiculous. And I don't see why it could be considered a rational decision.

It's not the only reason. I've also seen the new gimmick in action and I'm not very impressed: it's no more realistic, just a different kind of creepy.
But it is probably the main reason because if this is the dlc that they're going to be selling at launch, we're more than likely going to see some $10-20 dlc packs a few months down the line; so I figure I'll rent it and if it's really good and I can get over the creepiness, I'll get the goty version with all the content for half (if the dlc is as pricy as the gta4 dlc) the price. I'm not going to run out and pre-order it (I think it might suck) just because they try and scare me into it with the threat of less content. It's similar to what gamestop does with pre-orders by saying "you better give us money a couple of weeks before we give you the game or you wont be able to buy it." Well, they can GFT because I'll buy it at a real store.

I was all set to buy MK new as well but when they said that you have to buy it new or you have to pay an extra $10 to play it online, I thought: "I don't even want to play it online, so I may as well buy it used."

I'm not normally such a cautious consumer but I am pretty cheap, and I find that when it comes to buying games, cars, and real estate, being cautious pays off and not being cautious can be really expensive. I used to be poor y'know so I can be pretty protective of the wealth I have collected.

 

[GiantRaven]

Won't they just release the "exclusive" content as DLC later down the line?

If they don't then Rockstar clearly hate money.

 

[Smokescreen]

Pretty much ensures that I'm going to wait to get this used.

 

[GonzoGamer]

I just don't want to end up paying $60 for a demo that needs to be filled out with $100 worth of dlc because that's what we're heading for if people just accept and pay for everything the developers/retailers as them to.

A 25-hour demo?

Yeah, I think that just proves my point. You don't know what you're talking about.

Or that you don't finish reading before posting. I said that's what we're heading to if people are so accepting of these practices , not that LA Noir itself would be a $60 demo.

You did it again, slippery slope fallacy. Stop fucking doing that, you are being as fucking retarded as the people who say gay marriage will lead to forced pedophilia.

But you invoked that too, with forced sodomy. Classy. Well, I guess we know someone votes Republican.

Say what you want but EA has already floated the idea around of demos you pay for; then buy the rest of it as dlc.
If I was Republican, I would be encouraging these companies to come up with even sleazier schemes to rip off the common gamer (because they think that that's the way capitalism works... when really it's the way capitalism doesn't work) then call anyone who doesn't fall for it a paranoid conspiracy theorist or a pussy. Then I would probably start ranting about how videogames promote homosexuality by falsely claiming that gamers invented teabagging.

 

[Bat Vader]

I don't mind pre-ordering a game and getting exclusive DLC as long as the store I pre-order at is the only one offering the DLC. I don't like the idea of having to pre-order from two different stores just to get two extra story cases.

In my opinion instead of offering all of this DLC to different stores. Rockstar should have instead made a Collector's Edition of the game and included all of the DLC and the T-shirt.

 

[Irriduccibilli]

I don't mind them holding exclusive content back, it is how you stay competitative. Normally I don't give a damn about exclusive content. Red Dead Redemption had exclusive content too, and basicly you didnt need it at all to get a "full" game. You still get 100% of the game though, exclusive content just buffs it up to 110% of the game instead. Same thing goes for DLC

 

[JET1971]

console exclusive content for multi platform titles does 2 things really well.

1. gives fanboys something to rave about.
2. further divides the gaming community.

its main purpose though is to get more people to buy for that console if they have the competitions console as well. what does it do for the consumer in the long run?? costs them more money. short term? lesser quality games. what does it do for the developers? makes more work for them instead of polishing the game more.

and store exclusive content??? refuse to buy from that store!

 

[tharglet]

I'm not keen on the retailer-specific bonuses - especially as often the extra content is only given a name, and not much other info, and so it's hard to really tell which retailer is best for value for money, and does rather put me off even trying.

Tbh, I'd be happy for all this "exclusive for x" to go the way of the dodo. Just make various levels of special editions plx, or just charge for it on all platforms as dlc.

Also if they DO level the playing field AFTER release, the people who deliberately bought the game from a certain retailer or for a certain platform, a certain percentage are going to feel ripped off. (If you want evidence of this, see the amount of QQing that goes on in the WoW forums once something is made much easier to obtain lol)

Tbh, with this "exclusive" stuff, there's a high change of a whole bunch of people feeling ripped off imo.

 

[GonzoGamer]

I just don't want to end up paying $60 for a demo that needs to be filled out with $100 worth of dlc because that's what we're heading for if people just accept and pay for everything the developers/retailers as them to.

A 25-hour demo?

Yeah, I think that just proves my point. You don't know what you're talking about.

Or that you don't finish reading before posting. I said that's what we're heading to if people are so accepting of these practices , not that LA Noir itself would be a $60 demo.

You did it again, slippery slope fallacy. Stop fucking doing that, you are being as fucking retarded as the people who say gay marriage will lead to forced pedophilia.

But you invoked that too, with forced sodomy. Classy. Well, I guess we know someone votes Republican.

Say what you want but EA has already floated the idea around of demos you pay for; then buy the rest of it as dlc.
If I was Republican, I would be encouraging these companies to come up with even sleazier schemes to rip off the common gamer (because they think that that's the way capitalism works... when really it's the way capitalism doesn't work) then call anyone who doesn't fall for it a paranoid conspiracy theorist or a pussy. Then I would probably start ranting about how videogames promote homosexuality by falsely claiming that gamers invented teabagging.

Yeah, and there's a gigantic leap between that and "The demo will cowt $60, the DLC will still cost full price".

Do you really think they're only going to charge $15-20 for it?

Say what you want but EA has already floated the idea around of demos you pay for; then buy the rest of it as dlc.

Square Enix did a similar thing with Dissidia Duodecim.

$3(Cdn) nets the demo.
However the demo is quite larger than typical demos.

- There are at least 7 or 8 playable characters, though no levelling or customization.
- Story mode (4 or 5 battles)
- Arcade Easy (5 battles per character)
- Arcade Hard (30 battles per character)
- In-game achievements that unlock items for use in the main game when purchased
- Bonus character added to main game when purchased

If you enjoyed Dissidia 1, then it's a worthwhile investment. If you are on the fence, maybe purchase this demo and it may satisfy enough to avoid the $35 actual game purchase.

Pay to play demos are a slippery slope indeed, but can work for a pre-established IP with a built-in fanbase.

SqEn tends to be more generous with content though don't they?
The same scheme in the hands of an EA or Activision wouldn't be nearly as generous. Especially with a well established IP with a built in fanbase. They know when they got the fanboys by the balls and they know when to squeeze.

 

[Lagslayer]

Good thing I have a Wii and DS instead of certain other faulty systems with dozens of half-games. I don't have to put up with this kind of s***.