Poll: Novel Ideas I have Part Two.

[Korten12]

Continuation of this topic: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.221309-Poll-Novel-ideas-I-have-please-look#7442915

[h4]Blood Stained Knight has been chosen!.[/h4]

[HEADING=1]Forget Earth[/HEADING]
[HEADING=2]Sci-Fi[/HEADING]

Earth, it was once a beautiful world, once the mother world of the Alliance of Worlds or as most people call it AOW. It was a respected world and many lived on it, it was peaceful. Though when the colonies on other worlds began to get abused by AOW, they quickly turned and one by one, colonies from all over became part of the rebellion group known as New Alliance of Worlds. Taking the name from AOW they planned to destroy AOW.

Years passed after the formation of New alliance of Worlds and once all the colonies became part, AOW was in a corner. NAOW did a final assault on Earth turning the once beautiful world into a desolate wasteland. Earth was never forgiven for its deeds, NAOW decided that they would force labor upon Earth its deeds even if you were not even alive during that time. While NAOW is the hope of colonies for the future, Earth does not take kindly to NAOW. Earth may have deserved what it got but now it has gone on for too long... The New generation of Earth will arise and fight for their freedom...

[HEADING=1]BLOOD STAINED KNIGHT[/HEADING]
[HEADING=2]Fantasy[/HEADING]


The world has been split into two, one side of purity and the other side of infection... Once they were together but suddenly when a infection started to spread turning people into monsters it made people scared and started to run. To contain the disease, they built a large wall across the world. No one is allowed onto the other side. Every mage and priest have tried to heal the infection but nothing has worked. People believe that they will never be able to return to their homes...

Krin, a boy who's whole entire family, cousins, aunts, uncles were turned into the monsters, know wears a suit of blood stained armor. His reasons, to find the cause of the disease because he is the only one on the purity side that is immune, a reason he only knows.

Alright same as last time, post what you think and Vote.

 

[Sonofadiddly]

Is Blood-Stained Knight a metaphor for the illegal immigration issue between the U.S. and Mexico? Either way, I think it has more potential to become an original plot.

Here's my idea for any kind of story: A giant, benevolent corportation has to fight against a band of evil spunky underdogs. No switching in the middle. Giant corporation is good, underdogs bad. Just to shake things up.

 

[Korten12]

Is Blood-Stained Knight a metaphor for the illegal immigration issue between the U.S. and Mexico? Either way, I think it has more potential to become an original plot.

Here's my idea for any kind of story: A giant, benevolent corportation has to fight against a band of evil spunky underdogs. No switching in the middle. Giant corporation is good, underdogs bad. Just to shake things up.

uuhhhh.... No... I was thinking of *possible spoilers for Starcraft* Karrigan turning into a Zerg thing...*spoilers ended*

of course my monsters wouldn't be any similar to the Zerg its just an inspiration for the idea.

 

[Sonofadiddly]

Is Blood-Stained Knight a metaphor for the illegal immigration issue between the U.S. and Mexico? Either way, I think it has more potential to become an original plot.

Here's my idea for any kind of story: A giant, benevolent corportation has to fight against a band of evil spunky underdogs. No switching in the middle. Giant corporation is good, underdogs bad. Just to shake things up.

uuhhhh.... No... I was thinking of *possible spoilers for Starcraft* Karrigan turning into a Zerg thing...*spoilers ended*

of course my monsters wouldn't be any similar to the Zerg its just an inspiration for the idea.

Yeah, I figured it wasn't about immigration. But, you know, giant wall. You could always pretend that it's a metaphor for immigration. I once wrote a short story, and someone pointed out to me that it seemed like a giant metaphor for the Christian creation story, and I totally took credit for it. Nothing like accidental metaphors to make you look smarter than you are.

 

[Dags90]

I just want to say that I really, really hate protagonists who have had everyone they care about died. It's such an overused trope and I really don't find the "everyone I know died, time to save the people I don't" scenario particularly relatable or even believable. Whenever I see these threads, I always (wrongly) take novel to mean the adjective definition.

 

[Korten12]

I just want to say that I really, really hate protagonists who have had everyone they care about died. It's such an overused trope and I really don't find the "everyone I know died, time to save the people I don't" scenario particularly relatable or even believable. Whenever I see these threads, I always (wrongly) take novel to mean the adjective definition.

well in that point you are taking the story and expecting that is it, that there is nothing else... I mean not trying to give anything away but do you expect that the back of books to give out spoilers? and plus technicaly they didn't die... Turning into a monster isn't dying. Plus there is much much more to the story, but to say them would to give out major spoilers.

 

[the Dept of Science]

I'm not sure, but I get the impression that they would sell a lot better if you added lusty vampires.

 

[Mr.Mattress]

Blood Stained Night has my vote, but just because I prefer Fantasy over Sci-Fi.

 

[FinalDream]

Blood Stained Knight has my vote because it seems to have the most substance. In fact i'd quite like to read it!

 

[Korten12]

Blood Stained Knight has my vote because it seems to have the most substance. In fact i'd quite like to read it!

well thats good to hear.

 

[Korten12]

[HEADING=1]Forget Earth[/HEADING]
[HEADING=2]Sci-Fi[/HEADING]

Earth, it was once a beautiful world, once the mother world of the Alliance of Worlds or as most people call it AOW. It was a respected world and many lived on it, it was peaceful. Though when the colonies on other worlds began to get abused by AOW, they quickly turned and one by one, colonies from all over became part of the rebellion group known as New Alliance of Worlds. Taking the name from AOW they planned to destroy AOW.

Years passed after the formation of New alliance of Worlds and once all the colonies became part, AOW was in a corner. NAOW did a final assault on Earth turning the once beautiful world into a desolate wasteland. Earth was never forgiven for its deeds, NAOW decided that they would force labor upon Earth its deeds even if you were not even alive during that time. While NAOW is the hope of colonies for the future, Earth does not take kindly to NAOW. Earth may have deserved what it got but now it has gone on for too long... The New generation of Earth will arise and fight for their freedom...

I'm pretty sure Gears of War never even mentions Earth (or rarely so), yet all story/setting people seem to hate it with a passion.

what are you talking about?

 

[Yosato]

Eh, maybe I'm just old fashioned and don't take it the wrong way, but I think you should write what YOU want to. I mean at the end of the day we're just some dudes on the internet, why should our opinion influence what could be a make or break decision of your career? So yeah, my vote is just write whichever one you're leaning towards and have more ideas for.

 

[Korten12]

Eh, maybe I'm just old fashioned and don't take it the wrong way, but I think you should write what YOU want to. I mean at the end of the day we're just some dudes on the internet, why should our opinion influence what could be a make or break decision of your career? So yeah, my vote is just write whichever one you're leaning towards and have more ideas for.

thats true. Well I have been getting some good ideas for Blood Stained Knight.

 

[Corvuus]

don't take this personally but as a constructive criticism.

You really need to improve your grammar and spelling. I'm not good at it either, but "know" instead of "now" and several other errors ruins your entire paragraph since it kills my immersion.

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In terms of the two stories:
(These are my opinions, you do not need to accept them, nor other criticize them).

Change the names. AOW versus New AOW (NAOW) and the whole reasoning of picking the exact same name as their enemies... just doesn't roll well with me.

The most classic version (everything is a trope now a days) is based on the U.S. being founded, 13 states, constitution, civil war, etc. I.e. what if the 13 states refused to give new states equal status? (this eventually did occur in terms of north vs south economically and it fits your scenario).

In terms of your story, Earth could take a very 'earth-centric' name in addition to it's earth-centric policies. The AOW name just doesn't make sense philosophically for a earth-centric government to take (aside from propaganda reasons). It could just be "United Humanity" (UH) with a strict focus on "earth" being the real humans, deserving everything while saying that the outer planets are doing their "duty" to support the homeworld. Makes sense, flows, etc. The 'rebels' forming a "United Alliance of Planets" is focusing more on their individuality of planets and shared equal footing.

Whether you go galaxy or even just our solar system, it is do-able.
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The blood-stained knight one needs more setting/development. In terms of 'american' literature that tropes it, I can't really name them right now but I think they do exist (or like you said, sc2). However, Japanese manga/anime does this ALOT.

ALOT. like, hundreds of manga, anime.

Aliens land, alien parasite bonds with human giving them power (killing lesser or possessing lesser willed humans) and the 'special human' has to save the world for everyone else. I can name at least 5 anime/manga that do this within the last 2-3 years. Plus more if you consider decade.

Losing humanity in order to gain power has always been a common theme (particular in asian culture with daemons not being 'evil' but being able to grant power at some cost) and, in terms of trope-reducing, I'd love to see a book about being human is better than half-alien or half-monster or some monstrosity. This, of course, would change the story dramatically so I'm not suggesting you do it in your particular setting . Just that whether there is a wall or not, regardless of how your character is immune, etc. it will be "fresh" in the U.S. but probably done in Japan/eastern culture.

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In terms of both:
It really depends on the angle/theme of the story you are trying to tell. For the space one, it seems like you want to focus on the harsh life on Earth and what happens on Earth due to the NAOW's policies. Without giving away spoiler (or i guess PM me?) you'd have to mention a theme or what your goal is. There should be a 'sense of accomplishment' or 'epiphany' or "wow, I am glad I read this story". If the blood-stained knight cures the disease without facing any interal demons or other struggles then everyone will be 'wtf, i could have just read the wikipedia cliffnotes as '1 man immune, IamLegend movie with will smith as bloodstained knight' since (in terms of US-centric) that is probably the closest thing it will be as.

Need to give me more info/setting/development for me to actually vote.

Corv

 

[Korten12]

don't take this personally but as a constructive criticism.

You really need to improve your grammar and spelling. I'm not good at it either, but "know" instead of "now" and several other errors ruins your entire paragraph since it kills my immersion.

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In terms of the two stories:
(These are my opinions, you do not need to accept them, nor other criticize them).

Change the names. AOW versus New AOW (NAOW) and the whole reasoning of picking the exact same name as their enemies... just doesn't roll well with me.

The most classic version (everything is a trope now a days) is based on the U.S. being founded, 13 states, constitution, civil war, etc. I.e. what if the 13 states refused to give new states equal status? (this eventually did occur in terms of north vs south economically and it fits your scenario).

In terms of your story, Earth could take a very 'earth-centric' name in addition to it's earth-centric policies. The AOW name just doesn't make sense philosophically for a earth-centric government to take (aside from propaganda reasons). It could just be "United Humanity" (UH) with a strict focus on "earth" being the real humans, deserving everything while saying that the outer planets are doing their "duty" to support the homeworld. Makes sense, flows, etc. The 'rebels' forming a "United Alliance of Planets" is focusing more on their individuality of planets and shared equal footing.

Whether you go galaxy or even just our solar system, it is do-able.
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The blood-stained knight one needs more setting/development. In terms of 'american' literature that tropes it, I can't really name them right now but I think they do exist (or like you said, sc2). However, Japanese manga/anime does this ALOT.

ALOT. like, hundreds of manga, anime.

Aliens land, alien parasite bonds with human giving them power (killing lesser or possessing lesser willed humans) and the 'special human' has to save the world for everyone else. I can name at least 5 anime/manga that do this within the last 2-3 years. Plus more if you consider decade.

Losing humanity in order to gain power has always been a common theme (particular in asian culture with daemons not being 'evil' but being able to grant power at some cost) and, in terms of trope-reducing, I'd love to see a book about being human is better than half-alien or half-monster or some monstrosity. This, of course, would change the story dramatically so I'm not suggesting you do it in your particular setting . Just that whether there is a wall or not, regardless of how your character is immune, etc. it will be "fresh" in the U.S. but probably done in Japan/eastern culture.

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In terms of both:
It really depends on the angle/theme of the story you are trying to tell. For the space one, it seems like you want to focus on the harsh life on Earth and what happens on Earth due to the NAOW's policies. Without giving away spoiler (or i guess PM me?) you'd have to mention a theme or what your goal is. There should be a 'sense of accomplishment' or 'epiphany' or "wow, I am glad I read this story". If the blood-stained knight cures the disease without facing any interal demons or other struggles then everyone will be 'wtf, i could have just read the wikipedia cliffnotes as '1 man immune, IamLegend movie with will smith as bloodstained knight' since (in terms of US-centric) that is probably the closest thing it will be as.

Need to give me more info/setting/development for me to actually vote.

Corv

Thanks but I am going to be going with Blood Stained Knight and I will give a setting. Aslo Blood Stained Knight is a mixture of European and Oriental (but mostly European.) Also grammer will be improved.

 

[TheDoctorsCompanion.]

Eh, maybe I'm just old fashioned and don't take it the wrong way, but I think you should write what YOU want to. I mean at the end of the day we're just some dudes on the internet, why should our opinion influence what could be a make or break decision of your career? So yeah, my vote is just write whichever one you're leaning towards and have more ideas for.

As a writer, I totally agree with this. Just do whatever YOU think will be the better one.
Though if you really do want my opinion, I'd say both your stories are great despite the fact that they have a severe lack of cowbell. In all seriousness, I found your "Forget Earth" quite intriguing. But still. MORE COWBELL.

 

[Kimarous]

...I don't know how many times I need to tell this to aspiring authors:

NEVER GO TO PUBLIC FORUMS FOR A CRITIQUE ON YOUR PLOT IDEA! THAT'S HOW IDEAS GET STOLEN!

 

[cricket chirps]

NOT TROLLING AT ALL. But i have to be honest those both sounded near horrible. Nothing stuck out to be "original" in a good way. Yeah the two ideas were different but it didnt sound like there was much keep interest. Think of something new.

 

[swolf]

[HEADING=1]BLOOD STAINED KNIGHT[/HEADING]
[HEADING=2]Fantasy[/HEADING]


The world has been split into two, one side of purity and the other side of infection... Once they were together but suddenly when a infection started to spread turning people into monsters it made people scared and started to run. To contain the disease, they built a large wall across the world. No one is allowed onto the other side. Every mage and priest have tried to heal the infection but nothing has worked. People believe that they will never be able to return to their homes...

Krin, a boy who's whole entire family, cousins, aunts, uncles were turned into the monsters, know wears a suit of blood stained armor. His reasons, to find the cause of the disease because he is the only one on the purity side that is immune, a reason he only knows.

Alright same as last time, post what you think and Vote.

Not to troll but this reminds me of "I Am Legend". Then again, that was a good movie (didn't like the book nearly as much) so that could be taken as a compliment. Neither one are really my style but Forget Earth seemed like it had more room to add-on to it (then again, I did just finish playing Mass Effect so I may be biased towards that) and intrigued me more.

...I don't know how many times I need to tell this to aspiring authors:

NEVER GO TO PUBLIC FORUMS FOR A CRITIQUE ON YOUR PLOT IDEA! THAT'S HOW IDEAS GET STOLEN!

Also, there's this^. That's why I won't do it. Good advice Kimarous.

 

[Korten12]

...I don't know how many times I need to tell this to aspiring authors:

NEVER GO TO PUBLIC FORUMS FOR A CRITIQUE ON YOUR PLOT IDEA! THAT'S HOW IDEAS GET STOLEN!

Well I am going with Blood Stained Knight, I will post it here but its not a story that I would write when I am older and I am not aspiring author but I do like writing.