Well played, mr. cooper. well played...TheRightToArmBears said:
Anyway, im sorry i forgot to clarify, i dont think paedophilia is righty.
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Anyway, im sorry i forgot to clarify, i dont think paedophilia is righty.
First of all, your poll question and options are very biased. I cannot imagine anyone would ever choose NO, because of the way you phrased it (unless they're just messing with you).
As for your post, it's hard to say whether it is "wrong" or not without your definition of pedophilia. Though US law has a legal age of consent at 18, many other countries have much younger ages of consent. In some countries, it is even acceptable for pre-teens to have sex.
So, YES, it is wrong if your country says so. And, as time goes on the governments are getting more and more involved in punishing offenders.
As for your post, it's hard to say whether it is "wrong" or not without your definition of pedophilia. Though US law has a legal age of consent at 18, many other countries have much younger ages of consent. In some countries, it is even acceptable for pre-teens to have sex.
So, YES, it is wrong if your country says so. And, as time goes on the governments are getting more and more involved in punishing offenders.
Almost, but not quite. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty]teh_pwning_dude said:
It's still very wrong though.
So was bestiality (greek gods taking the forms of animals to rape young ladies FTW), but let's not talk about that.teh_pwning_dude said:
And, as a matter of fact, pedophilia is not a universal evil. There have been numerous cultures in history where young women, even children, are married off to older men and it still happens in several middle eastern cultures today. I don't agree with it myself for a number of reasons, but it has been acceptable in some cultures.
Yeeeeees? I believe it's considered fairly wrong. The age ranges by which one is considered a minor have changed but, on the whole I think throughout history the youngest age that was considered legal was 12, I'm not totally sure on that, but it can't be much younger.
12 is wrong enough as it is. Yeah, pedophilia is wrong, I'd say on the wrongness scale it's pretty far up, or down. However way you have your wrongness scale arranged.
12 is wrong enough as it is. Yeah, pedophilia is wrong, I'd say on the wrongness scale it's pretty far up, or down. However way you have your wrongness scale arranged.
Uh, no. Just no.
Pedophilia is not cool, under any circumstances. Children should be able to trust those who are responsible for them.
Taking advantage of an oblivious child is sick, disgusting, repulsive, disturbing, gross, upsetting and just wrong.
Don't worry about getting banned, I think you are fine as long as people don't start posting videos or pictures or post details about why they enjoy it or AHHHHHH.
Now I'm going to be paranoid about every adult I don't know looking at my nephew in the wrong way.
Pedophilia is not cool, under any circumstances. Children should be able to trust those who are responsible for them.
Taking advantage of an oblivious child is sick, disgusting, repulsive, disturbing, gross, upsetting and just wrong.
Don't worry about getting banned, I think you are fine as long as people don't start posting videos or pictures or post details about why they enjoy it or AHHHHHH.
Now I'm going to be paranoid about every adult I don't know looking at my nephew in the wrong way.
there are cultures where it's institutionalized and is a rite of passage for young boys, "to plant the seed in them" and they're not believed to have the capability of impregnating a woman until they've had sufficient sodomy.
So it already has been in some ways, just not globally and those cultures are quickly dying out.
So it already has been in some ways, just not globally and those cultures are quickly dying out.
In some places on this earth homosexuality is illegal, so if I may extrapolate and really stretch an assumption here (I am not in any way implying that you actually think like this), your definition of what is right and wrong is based on the laws of the land, therefore if an 80 year old having sex with an 8 year old was legal you would approve and if homosexual acts were illegal you would disapprove.
Perhaps my point is that you should really make up your own mind instead of letting the govornment dictate your morals, otherwise you could end up a mindless person incapable of individual thought and subject to the whims of those who make up the rules. I mean seriously would you immediately make Saudi morals your own if you went there?
Yeah....I didn't even need to read the OP to know two things:Polledophilia
1.) The answer to whatever question you were about to ask would be no
2.) The mods are not going to be happy.
Since people that young are incapable of having any sort of sexual drive, they don't initiate, cannot find it enjoyable, and that means it is pretty much always (if not completely always) something that is forced upon them so no, it's never ok, and it's so fucking wrong that I can't believe anyone could even consider this.
Let me quote South Park on the matter. More specifically Stan Marsh at the end of the NAMBLA episode.
"Dude, you have sex, with children."
No its not right, and will never be right. Most of the time its forced, which also counts as rape. So it will never be right. Morally or otherwise.
"Dude, you have sex, with children."
No its not right, and will never be right. Most of the time its forced, which also counts as rape. So it will never be right. Morally or otherwise.
Okay here's the thing. Pedophilia itself (as in, having an attraction to young people) is not wrong. People who have it can't really help having those feelings; it's a fetish. The same way that a person who has a foot fetish or an animal fetish is not a lesser person for having it.
Acting on those feelings is what is wrong in this case because it's obviously damaging to the victims.
You can't compare it to homosexuality because between two consenting adults nobody is being harmed in that case. But in the case of pedophillia, yes it is wrong, and no it will never ever be accepted. People come to accept things when there is no logical reason to not accept them (like homosexuality) but something harmful like this will not be accepted.
A person who fantasizes about children is not a harmful person if they understand it's wrong and stick to their fantasies (and I am willing to bet there are more people than you think who have the urges but never act on them due to their own morals. I have met one person like this before who confessed it to me.) However it is quite a dangerous fetish to have if the person loses control.
I voted No in your poll for this reason.
Acting on those feelings is what is wrong in this case because it's obviously damaging to the victims.
You can't compare it to homosexuality because between two consenting adults nobody is being harmed in that case. But in the case of pedophillia, yes it is wrong, and no it will never ever be accepted. People come to accept things when there is no logical reason to not accept them (like homosexuality) but something harmful like this will not be accepted.
A person who fantasizes about children is not a harmful person if they understand it's wrong and stick to their fantasies (and I am willing to bet there are more people than you think who have the urges but never act on them due to their own morals. I have met one person like this before who confessed it to me.) However it is quite a dangerous fetish to have if the person loses control.
I voted No in your poll for this reason.
Very well said, but not only is it about rationality, pedophile targets are almost always so young that they haven't hit puberty and gained any sort of sexual drive yet, so they really can't want it, which makes it even worse.Furburt said:
Here's part of a brief rant I posted in a similar discussion once a while ago.benbenthegamerman said:
The reason that sex with children is so different is that children are not psychologically matured like we adults are. The human mind develops in stages, and it takes until about 18-20 years of age for that development to finish. Children below the age of seven are completely incapable of abstract, logical thought. They think that objects have feelings. The world completely revolves around them, and that's not because they're spoiled; they simply can't think in terms of other peoples' perspectives. If you place a 3d model of something in front of two children, and ask one of them what they think the other child sees on the other side, they will describe the details on their side of the model.
Sex is more about the emotions involved than it is about the physical act of intercourse, and very young children are simply not capable of understanding those emotions. That's why children can't consent: they don't know the things they need to actually be able to consent. It would be like asking a person to take part in a drug trial and withholding information about the possible effects of the drug. This has nothing to do with societal norms: it's basic human psychology.
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Pedophilia can't be equated to homosexuality. It's true that in either case you can't just decide not to be that way, but being gay doesn't necessarily mean that you have desires and thoughts that are objectively wrong on every level. Homosexuality is not a mental disease that requires psychiatric help.
Sex is more about the emotions involved than it is about the physical act of intercourse, and very young children are simply not capable of understanding those emotions. That's why children can't consent: they don't know the things they need to actually be able to consent. It would be like asking a person to take part in a drug trial and withholding information about the possible effects of the drug. This has nothing to do with societal norms: it's basic human psychology.
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Pedophilia can't be equated to homosexuality. It's true that in either case you can't just decide not to be that way, but being gay doesn't necessarily mean that you have desires and thoughts that are objectively wrong on every level. Homosexuality is not a mental disease that requires psychiatric help.
The developmental stages I referred to come from Jean Piaget [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Piaget], a philosopher whose theories [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_cognitive_development] contributed a lot to psychology and sociology.
These children don't even have any sort of sexual drive yet, so there is no way they would want this much less initiate it, it's basically always some form of rape, rationalize it however you want, but I'm still basically against raping kids.HvD said:
But hey, if raping kids is cool with you, who am I to judge? (I'm Danpascooch that's who, and it's fucking sick and wrong)
In ancient Athens, there were some master/pupil relationships that strained the boundaries of what our culture would consider proper, as well as ancient China where emperors would marry very young and, if circumstances demanded it, be remarried to essentially tweens while they could be in their 30s or 40s.
It's a stigma of modern culture but it's not unheard of in the past, there was just a different viewpoint back then.
It's shortsighted to say either way that it will or will not be accepted again, but you can quite easily say it's a possibility.
It's a stigma of modern culture but it's not unheard of in the past, there was just a different viewpoint back then.
It's shortsighted to say either way that it will or will not be accepted again, but you can quite easily say it's a possibility.