Poll: Problems With Anime?
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20 years ago maybe I would have said voice acting, but now there are many talented voice actors that it hardly matters to me at all. Greg Ayers (sp) comes to mind as one of the better voice actors made famous by Saiyuki and Negima.
Now I believe that most people who say voice acting is the main problem are usually Japanese purist fanboys, although there have been a few crap dubbings I've seen.
Now I believe that most people who say voice acting is the main problem are usually Japanese purist fanboys, although there have been a few crap dubbings I've seen.
Definitely not for me. Of course neither is vampires in Bleach, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the other arcs ^_^Mass B said:
Two things mainly.
#1 is the majority of the fanbase here in America, the weeaboos, the annoying aspie kids who will try to kill you if you say Bleach/Naruto isn't the best thing in existence.
Second is the direction the industry is headed, 99% of anime is candy coated shit made for the sole purpose of pandering to otakus to get them to spend all their money on DVDs, dolls, posters, and pillows.
#1 is the majority of the fanbase here in America, the weeaboos, the annoying aspie kids who will try to kill you if you say Bleach/Naruto isn't the best thing in existence.
Second is the direction the industry is headed, 99% of anime is candy coated shit made for the sole purpose of pandering to otakus to get them to spend all their money on DVDs, dolls, posters, and pillows.
People often do this with anything they're not into. Whether it's metal, anime, this band, that show... and just about anything mainstream. People like to generalize when it comes to something they're not into or dislike/'hate'.FargoDog said:
But yes, it's something that really irks me.
Personally, I've found the bulk of anime that I've seen to be very similar to one another. They're mostly poorly written, chock full of cliche's and hack writing. I've found that a hefty portion of it is just far too cringe worthy to get through.
I did enjoy Fullmetal Alchemist (both series') for the most part, and a few movies, but for me, there's just so much shite out there that it puts me off. I know there's probably a decent amount of anime out there that I'd really enjoy, but I'm just so disheartened by a lot of the garbage I've seen that I know I'll never muster the energy to actually dig through it all to find the diamonds in the rough.
I feel the same way about horror films too, now that I think about it.
I did enjoy Fullmetal Alchemist (both series') for the most part, and a few movies, but for me, there's just so much shite out there that it puts me off. I know there's probably a decent amount of anime out there that I'd really enjoy, but I'm just so disheartened by a lot of the garbage I've seen that I know I'll never muster the energy to actually dig through it all to find the diamonds in the rough.
I feel the same way about horror films too, now that I think about it.
I personally like it, but only for the art style. The strong bold clean cut lines really appeal to me. Otherwise I think everything besides witty cultural/political comments disguised as a story is utter BS. I mean Hoshi no Kaabi was probably one of the most thought provoking anime and it's for seven year olds. Oddly enough I have begun to feel that it in itself is a parody of anime as a genre, however, at least it made some cracks at U.S. foreign policy, the non Nuclear possesion acts, and a bunch of current events topics that made it bloody intresting!
In short: Art is good, everything else is pretty much bullshit.
Edit: In my rant I forgot to say something.
4Kids should get eaten by wolves. Removing the actual good content from what comes through is just retarded. If it's made in Japan, there are going to be Japanese references, cultural jokes and current events going on that if omitted, makes the show a COMPLETE pile of poorly strung together events with no coherent meaning.
REALLY! Dubbing and footnotes is not that hard!
In short: Art is good, everything else is pretty much bullshit.
Edit: In my rant I forgot to say something.
4Kids should get eaten by wolves. Removing the actual good content from what comes through is just retarded. If it's made in Japan, there are going to be Japanese references, cultural jokes and current events going on that if omitted, makes the show a COMPLETE pile of poorly strung together events with no coherent meaning.
REALLY! Dubbing and footnotes is not that hard!
I'm not sure you can say there are problems with all anime as a whole. Princess Mononoke, Dragonball Z, and Tenchi Muyo are on such hugely different axes that they really should barely be considered the same medium. One is the High Art of anime, the sort of "literary masterpiece" type if you can consider movies to be such. One is pandering to little boys who like things with big muscles and scream a lot. One involves big-breasted women all fawning over a guy. All three of these are totally different things.
Some of the main complaints are classic and probably stated to death here: caricature women with huge breasts and disproportionate bodies, pretty-boy effeminate men, unnatural appearances, cute-ified characters, angsty plots, etc. But these don't apply to everything.
I think the biggest problem with anime is how it still hasn't defeated the "clearly it's all one category" problem. I want to cry little sad tears every time someone refuses to watch Miyazaki because they saw rabid Inuyasha and Naruto and Bleach and (etc) fangirls and ended up scarred for life. Somehow, anime can't manage to break onto the scene in the way that Disney animated movies did. Even Spirited Away didn't reach major theaters in my town; it was resigned to the dollar theater next door. Paprika was even more buried. And people still panic when they hear the word "anime." It's a medium, not a genre -- those are totally separate words.
Andantil, including Asperger's Syndrome in your stereotype there is a bit uncalled for. It perpetuates a really negative view of people who have it.
Some of the main complaints are classic and probably stated to death here: caricature women with huge breasts and disproportionate bodies, pretty-boy effeminate men, unnatural appearances, cute-ified characters, angsty plots, etc. But these don't apply to everything.
I think the biggest problem with anime is how it still hasn't defeated the "clearly it's all one category" problem. I want to cry little sad tears every time someone refuses to watch Miyazaki because they saw rabid Inuyasha and Naruto and Bleach and (etc) fangirls and ended up scarred for life. Somehow, anime can't manage to break onto the scene in the way that Disney animated movies did. Even Spirited Away didn't reach major theaters in my town; it was resigned to the dollar theater next door. Paprika was even more buried. And people still panic when they hear the word "anime." It's a medium, not a genre -- those are totally separate words.
Andantil, including Asperger's Syndrome in your stereotype there is a bit uncalled for. It perpetuates a really negative view of people who have it.
1. Animation that looks like it was done by a second semester art student.
2. Ridiculous stories with far to much "leveling up"? for lack of a better phrase.
3. painful voice acting, English or Japanese it always seems 9000x too dramatic or angsty compared to what a normal person would do.
4. The rabid freaking fanbase. OMG you have to watch this its sooo good yadda yadda ya.
5. the fact that they all the "adult/mature/serious" ones seem to be a 14 year olds definition of mature.
But for me it all comes down to the animation, every single one has looked like piss. The only one i've even tolerated, was appleseed ex machina(?) because it was more CGI and even then everything else sucked.
2. Ridiculous stories with far to much "leveling up"? for lack of a better phrase.
3. painful voice acting, English or Japanese it always seems 9000x too dramatic or angsty compared to what a normal person would do.
4. The rabid freaking fanbase. OMG you have to watch this its sooo good yadda yadda ya.
5. the fact that they all the "adult/mature/serious" ones seem to be a 14 year olds definition of mature.
But for me it all comes down to the animation, every single one has looked like piss. The only one i've even tolerated, was appleseed ex machina(?) because it was more CGI and even then everything else sucked.
Sneakypenguin, have you seen Ghost in the Shell or Fullmetal Alchemist? They're both more "serious" animes, the former especially, and their dubs are very good.
For those of you who hate voice acting, and love simple stories and music, try Interstella 5555, the movie that brought me back into anime. The music is by Daft Punk, which is always a plus, a story that isn't overcomplicated or filled with gratuitous angst, and it's good for all ages. I liked it a lot, but idk. Those who have seen it, any opinions? those who haven't, but like anime and perhaps even some who don't, check it out if you can.
other: the "face fault"
constantly having scenes interrupted by way over exaggerated reactions just ruins it for me...
constantly having scenes interrupted by way over exaggerated reactions just ruins it for me...
NOTE: Sorry if this may seem trolling, but I'm trying not to. If you consider that I am, sorry if I do, yet I don't consider it like so. Just that these threads get a good amount of flaming, I guess that I just wanted to leave a note. Thanks anyways.
OT: The People Who are Obsessed with it Turn Me Off. Seriously, I have almost gotten rid of all the animes series that I have in the last month because of them. The only ones I'm not going to let go of is Higurashi Season 1 and 2, Umeniko, Neon Genesis Evangelion, RahXephon, Serial Experiments Lain and Hellsing Ultimate.
But seriously, the fanboys have make me lose most of my interest on Japan, simply because they are so obsessed with it to the point of insanity. I may like anime, but I won't like it the same way as I used to...
OT: The People Who are Obsessed with it Turn Me Off. Seriously, I have almost gotten rid of all the animes series that I have in the last month because of them. The only ones I'm not going to let go of is Higurashi Season 1 and 2, Umeniko, Neon Genesis Evangelion, RahXephon, Serial Experiments Lain and Hellsing Ultimate.
But seriously, the fanboys have make me lose most of my interest on Japan, simply because they are so obsessed with it to the point of insanity. I may like anime, but I won't like it the same way as I used to...
Interesting. I haven't seen Rei, but I guess I don't want to see it. I mean, I've had enough of the series already that it doesn't needs more media, expansions, etc. Plus the lack of continuity I guess I won't see it. Thanks for the post.Slenn said:
I really like anime myself (though, I'm a little picky about which ones I actually watch) and even though I like it, I still find the really in-your-face fans to be super obnoxious. I'm sad to say I have a few friends like that, but I do. And yes, they annoy me whenever the topic of anime comes up. :/ I understand liking it, but when you start acting like an anime character (you know, the cutesy, overly dramatic, loud, etc. characters) yourself, it gets to be a little too much.