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Kogarian

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Ignignoct said:
Kogarian said:
Ignignoct said:
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The infamous SCAMola said:
Kogarian said:
That was a good post. Not too many people think of it that way.
Apparently 70% of the people on this thread think of it that way so...
I'm glad you think the Escapist members represent so much of the human population. Guess we should be proud to be members of this site.
Kogarian said:
Apparently 70% of the people on this thread think of it that way so...
You obviously misquoted. Or you're a troll. Either way, please quit wasting my time.
The quote is perfect, and bolded is where he specifically states he's talking in the thread.

You say he's talking the world and indirectly insulting him for it.

You're an ass.

Stop.
Please, keep petty curse words out of this. It really makes you seem like a child.

And yes, I indirectly insulted him after he did likewise to me. Just because he's not capable of understanding what he's reading doesn't give him a pass to be a dick. So I guess we're at a similiar situation with you.

And obviously the quote is flawed. I was the one refering to the world, not him. And I never stated a percentage, it had nothing to do with my original statement. Please, grow up. Or troll somewhere else. And you can't mess with quotes, forget which poster said what, and actually think you'll be taken seriously.
 

Ignignoct

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Kogarian said:
Ignignoct said:
Kogarian said:
Ignignoct said:
Kogarian said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
Kogarian said:
That was a good post. Not too many people think of it that way.
Apparently 70% of the people on this thread think of it that way so...
I'm glad you think the Escapist members represent so much of the human population. Guess we should be proud to be members of this site.
Kogarian said:
Apparently 70% of the people on this thread think of it that way so...
You obviously misquoted. Or you're a troll. Either way, please quit wasting my time.
The quote is perfect, and bolded is where he specifically states he's talking in the thread.

You say he's talking the world and indirectly insulting him for it.

You're an ass.

Stop.
Please, keep petty curse words out of this. It really makes you seem like a child.

And yes, I indirectly insulted him after he did likewise to me. Just because he's not capable of understanding what he's reading doesn't give him a pass to be a dick. So I guess we're at a similiar situation with you.

And obviously the quote is flawed. I was the one refering to the world, not him. And I never stated a percentage, it had nothing to do with my original statement. Please, grow up. Or troll somewhere else. And you can't mess with quotes, forget which poster said what, and actually think you'll be taken seriously.
It hurts when someone calls you out on your BS, doesn't it?

It's okay, just say you're sorry for taking quotes out of context to fit your needs to ooze angst, and we'll accept you all the better for it.
 

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Twilight_guy said:
Legalizing prostitution is a way to say "Instead of solving our problems and helping you out, we're going to make it easier for you to use your last resort".
So doing both is out of the question?
 

Nostalgia

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I don't care either way, but I'd lean towards legalizing it. Got to give the men what they want.
 

Kogarian

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Ignignoct said:
It hurts when someone calls you out on your BS, doesn't it?

It's okay, just say you're sorry for taking quotes out of context to fit your needs to ooze angst, and we'll accept you all the better for it.
Haha, that's cute. Just continously repeating what I say.

People aren't that stupid, they can just read the thread. Constantly quoting things and changing them must be fun, but don't believe it's the prank of the decade.

I'm done now, this is just wasting both of our time and derailing the topic. But it was nice meeting you.
 

Ignignoct

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Seekster said:
*Cleans the coca cola, which he was drinking when he saw the poll results, off his computer screen.*

Seriously, You have got to...I mean you dont really think that...*shakes his head* I dont even know what to say, well I just lost points in humanity department again.
Read the posts.

There's actually an intelligent list of reasons for, that don't seem apparent in mainstream culture because we don't allow ourselves the maturity to look at the situation with an objective viewpoint.
 

Ignignoct

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Kogarian said:
Ignignoct said:
It hurts when someone calls you out on your BS, doesn't it?

It's okay, just say you're sorry for taking quotes out of context to fit your needs to ooze angst, and we'll accept you all the better for it.
Haha, that's cute. Just continously repeating what I say.

People aren't that stupid, they can just read the thread. Constantly quoting things and changing them must be fun, but don't believe it's the prank of the decade.

I'm done now, this is just wasting both of our time. But it was nice meeting you.
Your troll begets my counter-troll.

It's been fun.

I'll be thinking of you in the shower, as a reminder to not use such icky-dirty words like "ass".
 

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Maze1125 said:
So no, being a prostitute shouldn't be illegal.
On the other hand, visiting a prostitute, or being a pimp, should be.
I understand your point, but that would be like punishing anyone who smokes a cigarette even though cigarettes are legal.
 

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Maze1125 said:
Most prostitutes are forced into it by circumstance or some bastard.
Punishing people who are already at the lowest point of their life seems rather pointless.

So no, being a prostitute shouldn't be illegal.
On the other hand, visiting a prostitute, or being a pimp, should be.
That...That makes no sense. Prostitution should be legal, but it should be illegal for someone to "visit" one or manage them? I'm against it, crime wouldn't go down, it would skyrocket.
 

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Ignignoct said:
You emotional people are not thinking logically.
This woman.
By her choice.
Auctions her virginity to help pay for school.
By her desire.
Through an established, and well-maintained brothel famous around the world.
By her volition.
She will select whoever best meets her requirements and monetary offer.
I say bravo. Congrats. You go girl.
The link you sent was great, thanks. The commentary you provided was shallow and turned something innocent into human trafficking, and I find this mockery disgusting, personally.
There are drugged, kidnapped, addicted young teens raped for days on end for petty change, and THAT is what you're calling "treating women like objects"?


Emotion has nothing to do with it, and such an assumption is a nice way to use a veiled insult. Ironically you then call me shallow... Maybe you should try calling me an eight year old kid next.

This women has made a choice to offer up something, something which she could not, in any capacity, fathom its worth, she is making a decision based on nothing except speculation, and is willing to trade the use of her body in exchange for money.
She is being used.
How can you defend someone giving up something they know nothing about, in exchange for money.
Weather she views it as such or not, she is being used.

and because you like to view emotion, I will use it to illustrate:

The man has money,
she has a body.

He has what she needs.

she has what he wants

The man is not dependant,
though she relies on him.

The only way in which she can gain her need
is to sacrifice
her being
for his pleasure.

To offer up the housing of her soul
To sign away her innocence.

She agrees,
She knows nothing but her needs.
She knows nothing of the consequence.
All she sees

is the mean
to an end.

So she agrees,
She gives it to him

Not some possession that can be replaced or substituted.
Not a watch that can be fixed,
Not a suit that can be bleached,
Not a toy that can be remade.

Her body

It is no longer hers its his, hes paid for it use, he now can use it.

Like a rented car,
he now owns part of her.

She is his now,
she is exposed.

vulnerable
young,
misinformed,
confused.

Shes uneasy.
She may be scared

but she takes comfort.

Comfort in knowing
The only thing keeping him from

His
deepest,
worst,
and perverse
thoughts

His
viscous
cruel,
and disturbed
urges

His
maniacal,
murderous,
and rough,
impulses

His
savage,
and uncontrollable
appetite

is a piece of paper

a contract
an "agreement"

a set of words

That might be a shield
or might be a chain

she agreed to this man

She is now bound
By her desire for her needs

By her lust for wealth

tricked by innocents
unshackled from guilt





Theres no backing out,
no stopping midway,
no shrugging it off
and saying "not today".
Shes bound by contract
to finish what she started.
Her desires are mute
her input departed.
If she were to scream out

If she were to resist.

If she were to exclaim
that this was askew

that it was not her desire.

If she were to object
to him upon her.

She would be false
She is now in error.

Her contract never said
Her contract had it not written.

Her needs,
for his lust.

It said on the paper

He gave her the money.
He signed the contract.

He agreed to the tests
He agreed to the meetings

Hes waited for months
drooling in patience.

She is his food
and he is obese

He's paid for his meal.


and now he will eat...
 

Ignignoct

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hippo24 said:
Ignignoct said:
You emotional people are not thinking logically.
This woman.
By her choice.
Auctions her virginity to help pay for school.
By her desire.
Through an established, and well-maintained brothel famous around the world.
By her volition.
She will select whoever best meets her requirements and monetary offer.
I say bravo. Congrats. You go girl.
The link you sent was great, thanks. The commentary you provided was shallow and turned something innocent into human trafficking, and I find this mockery disgusting, personally.
There are drugged, kidnapped, addicted young teens raped for days on end for petty change, and THAT is what you're calling "treating women like objects"?


Emotion has nothing to do with it, and such an assumption is a nice way to use a veiled insult. Ironically you then call me shallow... Maybe you should try calling me an eight year old kid next.

This women has made a choice to offer up something, something which she could not, in any capacity, fathom its worth, she is making a decision based on nothing except speculation, and is willing to trade the use of her body in exchange for money.
She is being used.
How can you defend someone giving up something they know nothing about, in exchange for money.
Weather she views it as such or not, she is being used.

and because you like to view emotion, I will use it to illustrate:

*Snipped the poem, I actually liked it a lot*
Let's break it down!

Emotion has nothing to do with it, and such an assumption is a nice way to use a veiled insult.
I disagree wholeheartedly, as you already know. My basis, is the stigma associated with prostitutes. You saw the posts here, claiming that STDs and pregnancies would skyrocket. This is due to the immediate emotional disgust people associate to loose women and prostitutes.

Maybe you should try calling me an eight year old kid next
Not unless you actually tell me you're 8, because I'm thinking logically, here.

This women has made a choice to offer up something, something which she could not, in any capacity, fathom its worth, she is making a decision based on nothing except speculation, and is willing to trade the use of her body in exchange for money.
JACK-POT! Halle-f*cking-lujah. She's offering up something she hasn't the capacity to fathom its worth!?! Do you realize how amazingly sexist and condescending that is? You may be able to apply that type of judgement on a young teenager, but we're speaking of state-regulated and maintained brothels that far exceed the health standards of the average citizen, with women who do it as a job, for money, and heaven forbid, maybe they like it!

Your argument presupposes that the woman is sacrificing something invaluable, for White-Jesus' sake! I say let the free market decide =p... But seriously, it's just sex, and if a woman signs up for a brothel, and stays because it works for her, more power to her. I'm not going to sit on a high-horse and lecture her on her allowing grizzly, skeezy men to pillage her delicate flower.

How can you defend someone giving up something they know nothing about, in exchange for money.
Weather she views it as such or not, she is being used.
Again, with the outright condescension and sexism. I trust these women to know more of what their giving than some outside speculator, when they're working at a brothel. I'd really REALLY suggest you go check out some videos on how brothels work, as dirty-nasty as that sounds (because prostitutes are icky-yucky, right?), because I think you need to hear this straight from the hooker's mouth.

The Bunny Ranch serves a purpose in Nevada; and to say these are ignorant, defiled females used and abused for sex is outrageous. These are the PROS! They know the game!

Go with Christ, bro.

PS I like the poem, it has suspense and emotion =D
 

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Yea, prostitution has been around as long as sex has. I think it would get alot of girls off the streets and out of the hands of sadistic pimps if it was a state regulated business, complete with insurance and regular medical check-ups. Also, customers should be identified and kept on record, the lack of anonymity would discourage people on the fence from going. The goverment can of course take their slice from taxation as well. It's not a pretty thing when women are forced to sell their bodies to support themselves, but at least this makes the process a little more voluntary.
 

Ignignoct

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Broloth said:
Ignignoct said:
Broloth said:
Cpt_Oblivious said:
Being a pimp should be illegal.
Prostitution should be illegal if they're forced to do it, if it's their choice it should be allowed.

GoliathJT said:
If they have STDS, then the guy should be smart enough to ask and make a rational decision.
What kind of idiot would have unprotected sex with a hooker anyway?
Condoms don't always protect against STDs.
And?

Brothels take care of their produce. Word gets out that a few Johns got burned and business-- money-- goes elsewhere.

STDs aren't hooker-exclusive, and hookers are more likely to avoid STDs than the average uneducated person.

What's your point?
Nice edit
That's how I do, baby.

My initial reaction, "So no one should have sex for pleasure ever?" was short-sighted, and didn't properly dissect WHY you're wrong.

I recognize my mistakes, and I'll correct them to further the conversation.

Edit: Those other guys already beat me to deflating your logic anyway... Now I'm left with forum blue-balls.
 

Sneaky Paladin

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legalize it and do all the other suggestions people who have voted to legalize it have said

Then prostitues are not a health hazard AND homeless woman can get a job
 

Seekster

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No legalizing Prostitution is one of those things that isnt even up for discussion no matter what "reasons" people may come up with to justify it.
 

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Seekster said:
No legalizing Prostitution is one of those things that isnt even up for discussion no matter what "reasons" people may come up with to justify it.
Curses! If I knew there were time wizards in this thread trying to remove discussion that's gone before I wouldn't have bothered posting!

Incidentally...nothing is never not up for discussion no matter how we find it repugnant, one would be recommended to at the very least make a rebuttal rather than simply stating how wrong something is.
 

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I was actually suprised at the results after i voted in the poll, i expect the majority to say no, but it looks like you've sparked an interesting debate.

I think women should have more self-respect than to sell themselves to anyone, ofcourse it's different in the cases where they're forced into it. I guess it's still viewed as 'wrong' in the governments minds, probably for reasons concerning younger children.
 

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Birdehh said:
I was actually suprised at the results after i voted in the poll, i expect the majority to say no, but it looks like you've sparked an interesting debate.

I think women should have more self-respect than to sell themselves to anyone, ofcourse it's different in the cases where they're forced into it. I guess it's still viewed as 'wrong' in the governments minds, probably for reasons concerning younger children.
But...that's hardly 'self' respect if the only reason you don't do something is because of what others think, as for prostitution, do or don't, I still think it should up to the individual.

That said, it is awful for the people who get into a bad way because of it or are otherwise forced into such a job.
 

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GothmogII said:
Seekster said:
No legalizing Prostitution is one of those things that isnt even up for discussion no matter what "reasons" people may come up with to justify it.
Curses! If I knew there were time wizards in this thread trying to remove discussion that's gone before I wouldn't have bothered posting!

Incidentally...nothing is never not up for discussion no matter how we find it repugnant, one would be recommended to at the very least make a rebuttal rather than simply stating how wrong something is.
If you actually need someone to tell you what is wrong with prostitution then you sir have some serious moral issues.