Poll: Protest DLC?
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It assumes that there's some inherent amount of game which should be in a standard release, and that if such content exists, it should have been on the disc in the first place.
First, there's no minimum amount of "value" you deserve from a game. If you think that the cost of the "full" game of Dragon Age Origins (the main game plus DLC) is too high, don't buy it.
But, you're also assuming that this is a matter of "we have a bunch more content, but let's keep the content off so we can sell it as DLC" rather than the more likely "we're shipping on this date, which means production on the stuff that goes on the disc itself stops three or four weeks prior to that, but the DLC crews can keep working". Day-one DLC is a matter of the extra production time they had, not a matter of cutting things out to resell them as DLC.
First, there's no minimum amount of "value" you deserve from a game. If you think that the cost of the "full" game of Dragon Age Origins (the main game plus DLC) is too high, don't buy it.
But, you're also assuming that this is a matter of "we have a bunch more content, but let's keep the content off so we can sell it as DLC" rather than the more likely "we're shipping on this date, which means production on the stuff that goes on the disc itself stops three or four weeks prior to that, but the DLC crews can keep working". Day-one DLC is a matter of the extra production time they had, not a matter of cutting things out to resell them as DLC.
Most of the DLC examples I've bought were map packs for games like Halo 3 and Gears of war and even then, I only buy them if I'm really interested. DLC isn't needed to play a game. It is your choice to buy, if you choose not to buy it, then it doesn't detract from the game you've already bought.
Even then, you're making your remark based on the content the DLC offers. A $8 map pack is worth less and carries less content then a the $25 Lost and the Damned DLC which comes with a good 3-4 hours of game-play. If you played any DLC from games like GTA IV, Fallout 3 or Oblivion, then you wouldn't call DLC a "Nickle and Dime" thing.
Besides, we've had Boycotts of everything from Left 4 Dead 2 to Modern Warfare 2. Despite these, these games became big hits. Protests don't work on an entire market when the majority are for it.
Even then, you're making your remark based on the content the DLC offers. A $8 map pack is worth less and carries less content then a the $25 Lost and the Damned DLC which comes with a good 3-4 hours of game-play. If you played any DLC from games like GTA IV, Fallout 3 or Oblivion, then you wouldn't call DLC a "Nickle and Dime" thing.
Besides, we've had Boycotts of everything from Left 4 Dead 2 to Modern Warfare 2. Despite these, these games became big hits. Protests don't work on an entire market when the majority are for it.
SOME DLC is bad. SOME DLC is good. You can't just lump it all into either good or bad, black or white, red or blue, Energizer or Duracell - things are a LOT MORE COMPLICATED than that.
What is it with people and the thirst for simplistic world views, in which something is ethier TOTALLY bad or TOTALLY good? You see this in politics all the time, with Democrats calling Bush Hitler and Republicans calling Obama Stalin. Neither Bush or Obama are Hitler or Stalin, not by a looooong shot. But that's what people like to do - simplify, demonize, glorify - people don't want to think about complex matters with multiple angles - they just want GOOD or BAD labels affixed to everything in life.
Some DLC is truly awful - like the Mass Effect DLC. Don't get me wrong, I really, really liked Mass Effect 1 and 2. But the paid DLC (stolen memory) was rubbish. So was Bringing down the Sky and Pinnacle Station. The Map packs for MW2 are over-priced, horrendously so. The extra maps for Killzone 2 also weren't worth the price.
BUT:
The DLC for Wipeout HD (Fury pack), doubled the amount of courses and more than doubled the amount of ships, and contained 3 new entire game modes, and was released a year after the original game came out. That was absolutely worth it. The Fallout 3 DLC was hit and miss - Broken Steel and Point Lookout were worth it, but Mothership Zeta and the Pitt weren't. The Uncharted 2 DLC was decent.
So some DLC can be good. It's rare, but at the end of the day, they aren't forcing you to buy it! If you think a particular DLC is a rip-off (Stimulus Package comes to mind), then DON'T BUY IT. Really quite simple, innit?
What is it with people and the thirst for simplistic world views, in which something is ethier TOTALLY bad or TOTALLY good? You see this in politics all the time, with Democrats calling Bush Hitler and Republicans calling Obama Stalin. Neither Bush or Obama are Hitler or Stalin, not by a looooong shot. But that's what people like to do - simplify, demonize, glorify - people don't want to think about complex matters with multiple angles - they just want GOOD or BAD labels affixed to everything in life.
Some DLC is truly awful - like the Mass Effect DLC. Don't get me wrong, I really, really liked Mass Effect 1 and 2. But the paid DLC (stolen memory) was rubbish. So was Bringing down the Sky and Pinnacle Station. The Map packs for MW2 are over-priced, horrendously so. The extra maps for Killzone 2 also weren't worth the price.
BUT:
The DLC for Wipeout HD (Fury pack), doubled the amount of courses and more than doubled the amount of ships, and contained 3 new entire game modes, and was released a year after the original game came out. That was absolutely worth it. The Fallout 3 DLC was hit and miss - Broken Steel and Point Lookout were worth it, but Mothership Zeta and the Pitt weren't. The Uncharted 2 DLC was decent.
So some DLC can be good. It's rare, but at the end of the day, they aren't forcing you to buy it! If you think a particular DLC is a rip-off (Stimulus Package comes to mind), then DON'T BUY IT. Really quite simple, innit?
Okay, in some ways that's a fair call. But a lot of PC games still get expansions, consoles these days finally get more for the same game if you're willing to pay a few bucks. It may not be full on expansions, but they cost less and it's a start. Because it looks to me like you're looking at it with just a PC point of view.versoth said:
I will go no further than either purchasing content or not. That is the extent of my (or anyone else's) power. A protest accompanied by massive sales (I'm looking at YOU MW2 boycotters and dlc complainers!) sends only one message: people will buy this product.
So Napoleon Total war is just an full-priced expansion pack to Empire? Sorry to say, but the total war guys are becoming increasingly DLC minded. Also see steam: http://store.steampowered.com/app/34030/ 1.99 for a pack of units? That's DLC!versoth said:
The recent controversy with the much maligned MW2 map pack(s) show that it's all about perceived value. What versoth describes reeks of good value, in Australia the two MW2 map packs together cost 2400 ms points, we pay $30 for 1500 ms points. This after paying $120 for a standard game disc (not special edition). That is in no way good value and while I love MW2 I refuse to purchase these map packs and as such find myself being booted from lobbies when these new maps come into rotation. That sucks balls.Mekado said:
Yep, that's pretty much what it is. Surprised anyone is surprised by cheap ways to make money anymore. Ever heard of expansions? Yep.LazyReaper777 said:
I get what everyone is saying that he doesn't have to get them, but you're also ignoring his point.
His point being it's wrong and they're pretty much just getting more money off of people with a cheap scheme and that this is WRONG. Just an example, Nazism. Following his point it's like you're saying just because Nazism exists doesn't mean he has to be a Nazi.
Here is a thought to counter your thought; It is just added content to a game we have already bought and paid money for which would have no doubt been in the game if they had more time.Kalezian said:
Looking back at that, that doesnt really counter your question, but I already typed it out
Edit: Right, thats what I mean. What if I want the DLC, but am really peeved that I have to pay an overpriced amount for something that I pretty much already paid for?
DLC like the MW2 map packs is pointless (2 maps from COD4? I ain't paying for that!) and over-priced (£11 for 5 maps?)
I mostly hate it when DLC doesn't come out for all platforms (i.e. Saints Row 2 for PC, I want to use the modded version in the DLC really, as that's my best save)
Stuff like the Fallout 3 DLC is good, because they add a good portion of playtime to an already more-than-adequate lasting game. I just wish I didn't have to get it through Steam pre-GOTY, as I have to now buy the DLC on disc online since I'm not 18. I can get most of them, but not Mothership Zeta, which looks like the most interesting one aswell.
I mostly hate it when DLC doesn't come out for all platforms (i.e. Saints Row 2 for PC, I want to use the modded version in the DLC really, as that's my best save)
Stuff like the Fallout 3 DLC is good, because they add a good portion of playtime to an already more-than-adequate lasting game. I just wish I didn't have to get it through Steam pre-GOTY, as I have to now buy the DLC on disc online since I'm not 18. I can get most of them, but not Mothership Zeta, which looks like the most interesting one aswell.
Urgh...
Think. Why do companies make DLC? Why do companies make anything? For money. Well spotted.
DLC, I find, tends to be good. I usually welcome an extension to a game. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it.
Think. Why do companies make DLC? Why do companies make anything? For money. Well spotted.
DLC, I find, tends to be good. I usually welcome an extension to a game. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it.
Cody211282 said:
If I remember correctly, the DLC only came with the collector's edition for Dragon Age (idk about ME2, as I never got it), which still very much falls under the "We're going to take this chunk of the game out and charge you extra for it just for shits and giggles" category.gmaverick019 said:
That doesn't make it any less bullshit.gmaverick019 said:
Depends on the DLC. Some is ok (Fallout 3 is actually a decent example. So is SOME of the DLC for Oblivion. And LittleBigPlanet has good DLC. Force Unleashed DLC I plan to buy, but it's more expensive than I think it should be)
Other DLC is stupid. Examples being "We actually put this on the game disc, but you need to pay us more money to unlock it" (Soulcalibur 4, I'm looking at you here), and "Pay money to unlock stuff instead of playing the game" - although that just annoys me because buying them is stupid. I shouldn't mind as long as stupid people continue to exist and help fund the companies enabling my gaming habit, I guess...
Other DLC is stupid. Examples being "We actually put this on the game disc, but you need to pay us more money to unlock it" (Soulcalibur 4, I'm looking at you here), and "Pay money to unlock stuff instead of playing the game" - although that just annoys me because buying them is stupid. I shouldn't mind as long as stupid people continue to exist and help fund the companies enabling my gaming habit, I guess...
i didn't buy the collectors edition? i never buy any collectors anything.Zarokima said:
anyways id rather have day 1 dlc with stuff new rather then the bullshit project 10 or having to pay money for online when i buy a used game, now THAT is the true bullshit.